Should a Christian tithe, what does the Bible say

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calibob

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Dino246 said:
Irrelevant codswollop.



I must take offense at any statement saying people can't get saved by studying the word! It saved ME! I did not know any people who identified as Christians when I was young, I knew Catholics, Mormons, J.W.s etc. I reached a point where I decided to read and study the Bible by myself Just find out what it said before I decided to believe in any doctrine or teaching, at all. I'm glad I did, the more I read it, the more in-tune I have become with it's message. I can now say; JESUS IS LORD, out loud to those who try and say that their intreptation of scripture is more correct than mine. I say Jesus is Lord, above all else! Including my narrow human mind that is often wrong.

Sure the human mind is weak and sinfull and the bible has inaccuracies, heck the language mutates with every generation, however the truth does not and has not changed and will not change. EVER!
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posthuman said:
pardon my saying so, Danny, but this comes across like a "no, i can't provide scripture to back up what i said, but read the Bible it's probably in there somewhere"

that's illustrative of the kind of danger that goes along with thinking only the guy in the nice suit under the spotlight is able to rightly discern. i'd suggest pray for understanding and go look for what the scripture actually says about the statements that you made. you're not talking to a lot of ignorant people here; CC is statistically made up of people who are far more Biblically literate than the average crowd or even the average congregation. a lot of us are here because we're more Biblically literate than the common man and we're seeking out like-minded brothers and sisters.

you're getting criticism because people want you to know the truth and they believe you've been misled. don't take it s maliciousness; in fact it's love - even if it may be misdirected or poorly stated. by and large we're all here because we love the Truth, and the truth about these things we're discussing is ultimately everyone's goal and motivation, just like it's yours.
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Sadly way to many people are dooped into these situations where they are told not to think for themselves, but blindly follow th church and the men who lead it.
 
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7seasrekeyed said:
people argue about 'God's word' all day long here and you are pretty good at it yourself

your pastor is not giving you sound biblical teaching

we are not under levitical law that demands we give a tithe and your pastor should know that

and again, we have motives hidden from sight by using the Bible to manipulate people

we are free to give as much or as little as we want

as the majority of responses to your op indicate

God loves a cheerful giver...and people give cheerfully when they are not forced to give an amount or forced to sign pledge cards

that kind of thing is not freedom, but rather bondage
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I would say there is a scripture which sheds light on this act of tithing.

Romans 2:25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

I might suggest placing Tithing instead of circumcision. It would have the same meaning in my view.

25 For tithing verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy tithing is made useless.

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that tithing, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and tithing is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, (Religious franchise owners who benefit from your sacrifice) but of God. (Who sees your true love for the brethren)

Giving access money to a religion who in turn gives a small percentage of this money to random poor people we have never met nor know anything about is not what God intended, in my view.

But it is certainly easier to just give someone money and let them deal with it. Another religious tradition that doesn't have Biblical support but looks righteous to man..

Interesting discussion.
 
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posthuman said:
but the book is about Jesus, not about money. we only get it right when we look through the scriptures for Him - if we let the text say what the text says, and then seek to understand it, we get a very different impression of what this account is about than we do if we approach it looking for ways to preach the wallets out of people's pockets.
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Yes!!! And until we turn our hearts to the Lord Jesus Christ, our hearts are veiled and our minds are blinded as we read the Word of God. However, the vail is done away in Christ – see 2 Corinthians 3.

Turn our hearts to the Lord Jesus Christ and watch Scripture open up :cool:
 
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Danny1988 said:
I recently heard a sermon on tithing at a Reformed Baptist Church, where I have applied for membership.
The pastor made it clear that we are all to tithe because that's what God wants us to do. He said, if we don't give generously of our finances that God will not bless us.
He presented many Bible verses showing that it is Biblical and that God expects us to obey it.
We can't claim to be believers, then only pick and choose the parts of the Bible that suit our lifestyle and ignore the parts we don't like.
Below is a link listing 20 Bible verses showing that tithing is something all of Gods people must do if we are to be obedient to His Word

https://echurch.com/20-bible-verses-about-tithing/

I know that nobody will argue with Gods Word, so this is only a reminder of our obligation to tithe. I will say in advance that anyone who tries to argue against it is arguing against sound Biblical teaching
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Sounds like a prosperty gospel to me.if" u don't bring the tithe stay home" anyone remember the preacher that said that lol
 
posthuman

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Studyman said:
Giving access money to a religion who in turn gives a small percentage of this money to random poor people we have never met nor know anything about is not what God intended, in my view.
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lol yes churches that collect a thing they call "tithe" and then taking only a tenth of the remittance towards His will is a far cry from Acts 4:32-35
 
JChesney

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posthuman said:
lol yes churches that collect a thing they call "tithe" and then taking only a tenth of the remittance towards His will is a far cry from Acts 4:32-35
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at the stage of life of the primitive church, which is told in the first chapters of the book of Acts, it is not about the tithes, there is another phenomenon: refusal of own property in favor of the community.
Ananias and Sapphira wanted to take part in the life of the Jerusalem community and take advantage of this commune, but detained a portion of the property for themselves, and this was their deception. They declared themselves that they had completely abandoned their property and tried to imitate the other members of the community who did so in reality. That's why God was angry with them.
 
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JChesney said:
at the stage of life of the primitive church, which is told in the first chapters of the book of Acts, it is not about the tithes, there is another phenomenon: refusal of own property in favor of the community.
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how does one tithe if one considers that he owns nothing?
 
hornetguy

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Danny1988 said:
The gift of rightly discerning scripture is only given by God to certain people, such as the shepherds. The rest of us sheep including yourself don't have that gift, that's why God appointed shepherds to lead the flock of sheep.

The problem arises when the sheep try to assume their own authority, and they are quickly get lost in their own carnal wisdom. The ability to recite scriptures is useless unless you have the gift of rightly discerning them.

That's why we have so many denominations, cults and sects all using the same Bible and preaching all kinds of false doctrines and all claiming that their view is the only correct one. Our pastor has spoken about apostates, at length and he told us what to watch out for.
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That part of your statement is directly from the Roman Catholic teachings.... we, as believers, are ALL members of a royal priesthood, and we need no one to "intercede" for us with God, other than Jesus and the Spirit. And we, as believers, ALL have the indwelling Holy Spirit, who leads us to understanding... the ability to "rightly discern" scripture.

It sounds as if your "pastor" wants to set himself up as a "pope"..... totally unscriptural.
 
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1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
 
Jewel5712

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I believe the 10 percent that the bible talks about is a "standard" to try and abide by..but should always be given with a thankful greatfull heart..an offering goes over and above ones tithe...ive experience that when ive given God whats rightfully His to begin with..irecieve blessings over and above...wish i could say ive always been faithful..hard when you have to take money out of rent or basic bills in order to tithe...
 
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reneweddaybyday said:
1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
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28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
 
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hornetguy said:
That part of your statement is directly from the Roman Catholic teachings.... we, as believers, are ALL members of a royal priesthood, and we need no one to "intercede" for us with God, other than Jesus and the Spirit. And we, as believers, ALL have the indwelling Holy Spirit, who leads us to understanding... the ability to "rightly discern" scripture.

It sounds as if your "pastor" wants to set himself up as a "pope"..... totally unscriptural.
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The need for priests interceeding for people was superseeded when Christ died..rose from the dead and the veil in the temple was torn (that seperated where only the high priest could enter) sigifying that now ALL MEN could come to Him..He fulfilled the old testament..we dont need a priest for confession and forgiveness of sins etc..Christ is our High Priest when he took on those sins on the cross. We can directly to God through prayer..and God gave us the Holy Spirit to intercede on our behalf and be a comforter to us until we get to Heaven.

Matthew 27:51 New King James Version (NKJV)
51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split,
New King James Version (NKJV)...(please read scripture before and after these verses to get the full meaning)

i am NOT knocking the catholic faith but where the old testament stops..the new begins..and thats with Jesus Christ!
 
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JChesney said:
at the stage of life of the primitive church, which is told in the first chapters of the book of Acts, it is not about the tithes, there is another phenomenon: refusal of own property in favor of the community.
Ananias and Sapphira wanted to take part in the life of the Jerusalem community and take advantage of this commune, but detained a portion of the property for themselves, and this was their deception. They declared themselves that they had completely abandoned their property and tried to imitate the other members of the community who did so in reality. That's why God was angry with them.
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According to the text God was angry because they lied. There is a Commandment from God against lying. It was theirs to sell and keep whatever they wanted.

"I'm selling my stuff and keeping 1/3 (or whatever) of the proceeds, I am giving the rest for the church." Honest, upfront, no deception. But they didn't do that.

3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

I agree this isn't about tithing, it's about a self proclaimed Christian refusing to keep God's Commandments.
 
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