Did Jesus Have The Human Sinful Nature?

[DevotiontoBible]

i agree with you. i dont agree with the doctrine.
if i had a special ability that made me less likely to sin, and i went around preaching to people not to sin, wouldnt that make me sound a bit like a hypocrite?
Jesus did not care for hypocrites and i do not believe He ever lied.

But we have His ability to overcome our sinful nature too so Jesus is not a hypocrite but a forerunner.

 

[jaybird88]

But we have His ability to overcome our sinful nature too so Jesus is not a hypocrite but a forerunner.

IMO whatever abilities He had we have the same. Jesus wanted His followers to do all the things that He did. i dont think He ever intended us to look at Him and tell ourselves, "thats not for me, only Jesus can do something like that".

 

[Ahwatukee]

If young children could have the sinful nature and not be sinners then why is it hard for you to accept the same for the Son of God?

Below is the definition of the sin nature:

The sin nature is that aspect in man that makes him rebellious against God. When we speak of the sin nature, we refer to the fact that we have a natural inclination to sin; given the choice to do God’s will or our own, we will naturally choose to do our own thing.

So, ask yourself the question, based on the definition, did Jesus have a sin nature? Whatever you decide that is your belief.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Below is the definition of the sin nature:

The sin nature is that aspect in man that makes him rebellious against God. When we speak of the sin nature, we refer to the fact that we have a natural inclination to sin; given the choice to do God’s will or our own, we will naturally choose to do our own thing.

So, ask yourself the question, based on the definition, did Jesus have a sin nature? Whatever you decide that is your belief.

Yes, Jesus had the natural inclination to sin but He just didn't give into it. He didn't do it as this guy did at his age of accountibility:

At one time I lived without understanding the law. But when I learned the command not to covet, for instance, the power of sin came to life, and I died. So I discovered that the law’s commands, which were supposed to bring life, brought spiritual death instead. Sin took advantage of those commands and deceived me; it used the commands to kill me.
Romans 7:9‭-‬11 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/rom.7.9-11.NLT

 

[jb]

But consider the fact that we all, including Jesus, physically die proves we are all tainted by sin in our human nature:
Still, everyone died—from the time of Adam to the time of Moses—even those who did not disobey an explicit commandment of God, as Adam did. ...
Romans 5:14 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/rom.5.14.NLT

Humans die physically simply because of the removal of the tree of life by The Trinity (after the sin of Adam) and spiritually because of their OWN individual sin (and NOT Adam's)! Gen 3v22-24, Isaiah 53v6, Ezek 18v4,20, Rom 3v23, 6v23.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Exactly, why was He able to die...period?

He laid down his life. Don't you think that someone who could raise the dead could keep from dying if it had been GOD's will?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

But we have His ability to overcome our sinful nature too so Jesus is not a hypocrite but a forerunner.

You think the natural body is sinful nature. Adam had a natural body without a sinful nature. So did Christ.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Humans die physically simply because of the removal of the tree of life by The Trinity (after the sin of Adam) and spiritually because of their OWN individual sin (and NOT Adam's)! Gen 3v22-24, Isaiah 53v6, Ezek 18v4,20, Rom 3v23, 6v23.

You, and Jesus, were in Adam when he sinned so death spread to you and Jesus:

When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam’s sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned.
Romans 5:12 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/rom.5.12.NLT

 

[DevotiontoBible]

He laid down his life. Don't you think that someone who could raise the dead could keep from dying if it had been GOD's will?

Yes. He could have kept Himself alive on that cross until this day if He wanted. But He submitted His omnipotence to the will of the Father who wanted Him to die. The phrase "he gave up his spirit" is only used of Jesus:

When Jesus had tasted it, he said, “It is finished!” Then he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
John 19:30 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/jhn.19.30.NLT

 

[DevotiontoBible]

You think the natural body is sinful nature. Adam had a natural body without a sinful nature. So did Christ.

But when Adam sinned we all did, even Jesus, because we were all in his loins, and the result is that we physically die. It is part of our human nature:

When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam’s sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned.
Romans 5:12 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/rom.5.12.NLT

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

But when Adam sinned we all did, even Jesus, because we were all in his loins, and the result is that we physically die. It is part of our human nature:

When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam’s sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned.
Romans 5:12 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/rom.5.12.NLT

No man is responsible for Adam's sin except himself. Sin entered the world through Adam, and death, not sin, spread to all men, who sin because of death, not Adam.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

No man is responsible for Adam's sin except himself. Sin entered the world through Adam, and death, not sin, spread to all men, who sin because of death, not Adam.

Read this again. I think you missed it:
When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam’s sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned.
Romans 5:12 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/rom.5.12.NLT

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Read this again. I think you missed it:
When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam’s sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned.
Romans 5:12 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/rom.5.12.NLT

Death didn't spread to everyone because they sinned, but because Adam sinned. It doesn't say that all men sinned because of death, but that death spread to all men, upon which (i.e., death) they sin.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Death didn't spread to everyone because they sinned, but because Adam sinned. It doesn't say that all men sinned because of death, but that death spread to all men, upon which (i.e., death) they sin.

It says "everyone sinned" when Adam did. That includes Jesus in His humanity.

 

[Noblemen]

If He didn't then how could this be true?:

Therefore, it was necessary for him to be made in every respect like us, his brothers and sisters, so that he could be our merciful and faithful High Priest before God. Then he could offer a sacrifice that would take away the sins of the people. Since he himself has gone through suffering and testing, he is able to help us when we are being tested.
Hebrews 2:17‭-‬18 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/heb.2.17-18.NLT

God was His Father not satan, true He was 100 percent man and 100 percent God but He had no earthly father as do we.
You may want to relook at the scriptures again to see exactly how He was concieved as far as His body goes. He had the nature of His Father. Understanding the birthing (born again) is so important to the believer it takes all the guess work out

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

It says "everyone sinned" when Adam did. That includes Jesus in His humanity.

No it doesn't. You're reading that into the text.

 

[so-jesus-e-deus]

• "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:" (Romans 8.3).

• "For we have not a high priest that cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but one that hath been in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." (Hebrews 4.15).

 

[DevotiontoBible]

No it doesn't. You're reading that into the text.

I'm reading "for everyone sinned" right there in the verse. I'm not getting it from anywhere else.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

• "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:" (Romans 8.3).

• "For we have not a high priest that cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but one that hath been in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." (Hebrews 4.15).

I like that. Here it is in this version:

The law of Moses was unable to save us because of the weakness of our sinful nature. So God did what the law could not do. He sent his own Son in a body like the bodies we sinners have. And in that body God declared an end to sin’s control over us by giving his Son as a sacrifice for our sins.
Romans 8:3 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/rom.8.3.NLT

 

[DevotiontoBible]

God was His Father not satan, true He was 100 percent man and 100 percent God but He had no earthly father as do we.
You may want to relook at the scriptures again to see exactly how He was concieved as far as His body goes. He had the nature of His Father. Understanding the birthing (born again) is so important to the believer it takes all the guess work out

But He had the human nature of His mother. The same nature you and I have which was in Adam when he sinned.