Did Jesus Have The Human Sinful Nature?
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Jesus came through the "seed of the woman". Women do not carry "seed", men do. Mary was a virgin - the "seed of the woman" was impregnated via the Holy Spirit - not a MAN. Therefore, Jesus was pure, spotless, without blemish, the Lamb of God. This is what Hebrews 2:17 - "as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same" . . . . the same what? flesh and blood. He took part of flesh and blood so "that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death".
He was made like unto his brethren in that he was tempted just as we are tempted. Adam had no sin nature UNTIL HE SINNED, he was tempted and he failed . . . Jesus had no sin nature and although he "suffered being tempted" . . . . For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. . . he was without sin - he did not fall into temptation because he had perfect faith in his Father and by his free will choices to trust God, lived a sinless life, always doing the will of the Father.
When God asked the Israelites to pick out a "lamb without blemish", he meant one that was sound, wholesome, unimpaired, innocent, having integrity; whole, sound, healthful; complete . . . Jesus had to be "unimpaired, innocent" - one is not "unimpaired or innocent" when one has a "fallen nature". What do you think would have happened if a household of Israelites chose a lamb that was not "whole, unimpaired, sound, or healthful" and put that blood upon their doorpost? They would not have been "passed over" but destroyed. . . . So if Jesus had a "fallen sinful nature", we do not have a Savior, we are not redeemed . . .
He was made like unto his brethren in that he was tempted just as we are tempted. Adam had no sin nature UNTIL HE SINNED, he was tempted and he failed . . . Jesus had no sin nature and although he "suffered being tempted" . . . . For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. . . he was without sin - he did not fall into temptation because he had perfect faith in his Father and by his free will choices to trust God, lived a sinless life, always doing the will of the Father.
When God asked the Israelites to pick out a "lamb without blemish", he meant one that was sound, wholesome, unimpaired, innocent, having integrity; whole, sound, healthful; complete . . . Jesus had to be "unimpaired, innocent" - one is not "unimpaired or innocent" when one has a "fallen nature". What do you think would have happened if a household of Israelites chose a lamb that was not "whole, unimpaired, sound, or healthful" and put that blood upon their doorpost? They would not have been "passed over" but destroyed. . . . So if Jesus had a "fallen sinful nature", we do not have a Savior, we are not redeemed . . .
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There is something wrong in your thinking. Even the babies in Christ understand the virgin birth, you are denying it. The Catholics worship Mary, because they think she has some deity. She is just an ordinary woman. So when you deny the virgin birth. That deny Jesus as being God. And it's the antichrist that denies that Jesus ( the word) was made flesh. And Mary was no there in the beginning with the Word during creation.
So we are not sinners until we commit sin? (which I don't read in Rom. 7:9-11) When we were born (physically), we each inherited the sin nature of our “father” Adam, and thus were born dead in sin (Eph. 2:1, 5). Because of this “death” nature in us, our physical lives are doomed to end in death. The wages of sin is death - death and sin entered when Adam disobeyed God and ate of the tree of good and evil - For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners (Romans 5:19) . . . by one man's offence many are made dead (Romans 5:15) - so death and sin passed on to every man born of man . . . Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (Romans 5:12) . . . . Again - Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit not MAN.
Jesus having a fallen sin nature would make him unclean.
Why do you think we have to be born again?
Jesus having a fallen sin nature would make him unclean.
Why do you think we have to be born again?
I see that you just like to hear yourself talk!!! You do not respond to anything anyone quotes to you but like to keep reiterating what you believe something is saying which is NOT carrying on a discussion nor conversation of any kind.
We are NOT spiritually alive until we believe in Jesus Christ, confess him as Lord and believe God raised him from the dead. 1 Cor. 15:22 - For in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
What about the child at 3 years old who "takes" a cookie from the cookie jar knowing that he is not supposed to? What about the 2 year old who pitches a tantrum in the store when they have repeatedly been told not to? Isn't that disobedience to parents? Children obey your parents . . . . just saying.
We are NOT spiritually alive until we believe in Jesus Christ, confess him as Lord and believe God raised him from the dead. 1 Cor. 15:22 - For in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
What about the child at 3 years old who "takes" a cookie from the cookie jar knowing that he is not supposed to? What about the 2 year old who pitches a tantrum in the store when they have repeatedly been told not to? Isn't that disobedience to parents? Children obey your parents . . . . just saying.
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You really don't know what you're talking about. No man is born spiritually alive. That is every man's inheritance from Adam. All men sin because they are born spiritually dead, i.e., separated from GOD. Adam was created in GOD's image with a spirit that was one with GOD. Adam's offspring are born in his image with a spirit separated from GOD beause of his sin.
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I suggest you start studying....my quote is biblical....here..I will quote the verses then you can apologize openly for not only lying, but casting doubt on the truth....pay attention and LEARN SOME TRUTH....God gave you two ears and one MOUTH for a reason....SPEND TWICE as much time LISTENING
dcontroversal said:
He disrobed himself of the Glory he had with the Father and took the form of SINFUL flesh.....
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh
I am really sick of people mouthing like Nehemiah did against my BIBLICAL POST....YOU OWE ME AN APOLOGY PAL!!!!!
dcontroversal said:
He disrobed himself of the Glory he had with the Father and took the form of SINFUL flesh.....
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh
I am really sick of people mouthing like Nehemiah did against my BIBLICAL POST....YOU OWE ME AN APOLOGY PAL!!!!!
My point is you don't respond to the points I make.
You had already mentioned Romans 7:9-11 and I said that it doesn't say what you say it says - Even though we are born with a sin nature we are spiritually alive until we commit our first sin at the age of accountability - nor does it say - Even though we are born with a sin nature we are spiritually alive until we commit our first sin at the age of accountability.
You had already mentioned Romans 7:9-11 and I said that it doesn't say what you say it says - Even though we are born with a sin nature we are spiritually alive until we commit our first sin at the age of accountability - nor does it say - Even though we are born with a sin nature we are spiritually alive until we commit our first sin at the age of accountability.