Did Jesus Have The Human Sinful Nature?

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pjharrison

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This is a virgin birth. Are you Catholic?
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
This is false. Adam was created perfect, but with the ability to either obey or disobey God. He did not have a sin nature, and neither did Christ. That is heresy.

All human beings since Adam are created with a corrupted human nature, and are therefore deemed to be sinners by birth (Rom 5:12). The inborn tendency of humans is to sin.

But the Lord Jesus Christ was supernaturally conceived by the Holy Spirit within the virgin Mary's womb. And since there was no human father, there was no sin nature. Please note carefully (Heb 7:26):

For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens.
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You have no Biblical evidence showing the Adamic nature not being passed in the mother.
 
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shrume said:
No he was not. Jesus did not have a sin nature. If he had, he would not have been the perfect sacrifice.


Adam did not have a sin nature in the beginning. He gained his sin nature when he sinned.


That's not true. There is a difference between having a sin nature and having free will.

You're claiming that God, who hates sin, created Adam with a sin nature. That's a problem.


In his humanity, Jesus was a man. The Father miraculously provided the seed that caused Mary to conceive the Messiah using one her eggs. Mary is the actual mother of Jesus.
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You have no Biblical evidence to support your claim that if Jesus was like us IN EVERY WAY (Heb 2:17) not most ways, that He would not be the perfect sacrifice.
 
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Virgin birth yes, not a surrogate birth.
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Luke 1: 34 - 35Mary said to the angel, "How will this happen since I am a virgin?
35; The angel said to Mary, The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the most high will cover you. For this reason the baby will be holy and will be called the son of God.
That is why the baby was holy, because he would not be from the seed of man, but of God and God alone. The baby was connect to Mary by the umbilical cord. And the umbilical cord does not sure the same blood. A babies blood type comes from the mother and fathers seed.
 
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pjharrison said:
I would like to apologize if I upset you. You were right about Jesus having a sin nature, just as Adam did in the beginning, because if Adam did not have a sin nature he wouldn't of been able to sin. But I must explain to you that you said that Jesus was 50% Mary and 50% God. That's saying that God mated with Mary and had a son. And we know that is not true. Jesus was then and still is fully God. We have to acknowledge the virgin birth. The pregnant Mother and Child do not share the same blood. So Mary's DNA was not mixed with Jesus. Mary raised him, so she was his earthly mother. If you still don't agree with that . You are welcome to your opinion. So God Bless.
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God is supernatural without a beginning of days or end of Spirt life. He is not a man as us. The veil is rent.

Mary's corrupted DNA (flesh and blood)by which the Son of man informs us in John 6 of his own profits it for nothing to help instill the proper manner of spirit walking by the unseen and not the flesh that seen The Son of man aged in a decaying "body of death" his flesh returning to where it was formed of the dust Just as His Spirit retuned to the father of all spirits.

Those who walk by sight seeking after signs and lying wonders requiring a sign before they beleive it would seem reject all things written in the law and prophets (prophecy, sola scriptura ) making it to no effect so they could rather do their own will as a oral tradition of men...... seen .

A woman below intruding in the teaching of Christ. God used it as a example of what he was teaching not to eulogize the flesh of Mary as if corrupted flesh could profit for something. God is not a man as us . The kingdom of God does not come by observation ...things the eyes see the lust thereof.

And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it. And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet. For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.Luke11: 27-30

This generation.. natural unconverted mankind.
 
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pjharrison said:
Luke 1: 34 - 35Mary said to the angel, "How will this happen since I am a virgin?
35; The angel said to Mary, The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the most high will cover you. For this reason the baby will be holy and will be called the son of God.
That is why the baby was holy, because he would not be from the seed of man, but of God and God alone. The baby was connect to Mary by the umbilical cord. And the umbilical cord does not sure the same blood. A babies blood type comes from the mother and fathers seed.
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Then your Jesus is not the Christ since he is not a descendant of David.
 
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garee said:
God is supernatural without a beginning of days or end of Spirt life. He is not a man as us. The veil is rent.

Mary's corrupted DNA (flesh and blood)by which the Son of man informs us in John 6 of his own profits it for nothing to help instill the proper manner of spirit walking by the unseen and not the flesh that seen The Son of man aged in a decaying "body of death" his flesh returning to where it was formed of the dust Just as His Spirit retuned to the father of all spirits.

Those who walk by sight seeking after signs and lying wonders requiring a sign before they beleive it would seem reject all things written in the law and prophets (prophecy, sola scriptura ) making it to no effect so they could rather do their own will as a oral tradition of men...... seen .

A woman below intruding in the teaching of Christ. God used it as a example of what he was teaching not to eulogize the flesh of Mary as if corrupted flesh could profit for something. God is not a man as us . The kingdom of God does not come by observation ...things the eyes see the lust thereof.

And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it. And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet. For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.Luke11: 27-30

This generation.. natural unconverted mankind.
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You said that to say?
 
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The hypostatic union is not Biblical????? Where am I, in Heretics Chat.com?
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Yes not biblical , God has no nature, as a beginning. He remains supernatural a non creation as our faithful Creator.

Hypostatic union was created by the Catholics to try and make God into a man a creation so that men would seek the approval of one seen and not God's Holy Spirit not seen .
 
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pjharrison said:
Are you catholic. If Jesus would have came from one of Marys eggs he would not be God. The Holy Spirt placed him in side her womb. Read the story over again.
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This is how biology works: The "seed" (sperm of the male) meets with an "egg" (of the female) and is fertilized in the womb which results in a child. Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; . . . Now the woman does not carry the seed but the egg SOOOOO - God, i.e. the Holy Spirit miraculously created seed within Mary to fertilize her egg - wallah - the Son of God. . .

And behold you shall conceive in your womb, and bring forth a son, and shall call his name Jesus. . . . How can this be seeing I have not KNOWN a man? . . . The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
 
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DevotiontoBible said:
Then your Jesus is not the Christ since he is not a descendant of David.
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Come on now, he is a descendant of David. That's why God chose Mary and not someone from another lineage. Please don't take offence, but some of you are speaking like children. You should understand the virgin birth. He had to come in to that certain people. He is God and God alone. Mary's seed would have made him unholy. Our souls are like filthy rags. He could not have been a part of Mary. It would have made him dirty. She raised him so she was his mother. No other woman could have been his mother. He was sent to Mary.
 
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DevotiontoBible said:
The Greek phrase in Rom 8:3 "omoiwmati sarko amartia" (likeness of flesh of sin) would have Jesus only APPEAR TO BE of flesh according to you since you want him to only APPEAR TO BE of sin. But the real translation of that phrase goes like this:
The law of Moses was unable to save us because of the weakness of our sinful nature. So God did what the law could not do. He sent his own Son in a body like the bodies we sinners have. And in that body God declared an end to sin’s control over us by giving his Son as a sacrifice for our sins.
Romans 8:3 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/rom.8.3.NLT

And this one:

It is impossible to do what God’s standards demand because of the weakness our human nature has. But God sent his Son to have a human nature as sinners have and to pay for sin. That way God condemned sin in our corrupt nature.
Romans 8:3 GW
https://bible.com/bible/70/rom.8.3.GW
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"in a body like the bodies we sinners have" . . . . partook of flesh and blood . . . (Hebrews 2:14) likeness, i.e. resemblance (inasmuch as that appears in an image or figure)

I disagree total with the translation used in the GW. Not all translations are GOOD translations.
 
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pjharrison said:
I would like to apologize if I upset you. You were right about Jesus having a sin nature, just as Adam did in the beginning, because if Adam did not have a sin nature he wouldn't of been able to sin.
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The only way this makes sense is if you are equating free will with sin nature. Adam was flawless until the day he sinned. There was no sin in him.
 
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peacefulbeliever said:
This is how biology works: The "seed" (sperm of the male) meets with an "egg" (of the female) and is fertilized in the womb results in a child. Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; . . . Now the woman does not carry the seed but the egg SOOOOO - God, i.e. the Holy Spirit miraculously created seed within Mary to fertilize her egg - wallah - the Son of God. . .

And behold you shall conceive in your womb, and bring forth a son, and shall call his name Jesus. . . . How can this be seeing I have not KNOWN a man? . . . The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
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The same way God spoke creation into being: God spoke, Jesus went forth and the Holy Spirit finished the work. I can't understand why so many do not understand the virgin birth. All God has to do, is speak the word(which is Jesus), and the Holy Spirit does the work.
 
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pjharrison said:
If Adam did not have a sin nature he would not of been able to sin. Because sin would not have been in him. He would have been like the angels. The angels either serve or not serve. Not to serve is to sin for the angels.
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Adam wasn't created with a sin nature; he created that himself through willfully disobeying.
 
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The only way this makes sense is if you are equating free will with sin nature. Adam was flawless until the day he sinned. There was no sin in him.
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If Adam wouldn't have had the sin nature, he couldn't have sin. It had to have been there for him to sin. Jesus had that same sin nature with in him so that he could be tempting on all counts and over come them all, and not sin for the cross to be accomplished.
 
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DevotiontoBible said:
You have no Biblical evidence showing the Adamic nature not being passed in the mother.
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The bible is full of evidence that inheritance came through the father and was given to sons. Wives were considered part of a man's inheritance.
 
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