How did the giants survive a global flood?

[glf1]

2 Pet 2:4 "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;"

Sorry! but no fallen angels are able to marry the daughters of men. IN every other instance of the use of the term, "sons of God," is clearly speaking of the descendants of Adam. And also in reference to both men and angels, 1 Cor 15:46 "Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
Maranatha!

 

[garee]

2 Pet 2:4 "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;"

Sorry! but no fallen angels are able to marry the daughters of men. IN every other instance of the use of the term, "sons of God," is clearly speaking of the descendants of Adam. And also in reference to both men and angels, 1 Cor 15:46 "Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
Maranatha!

That would make good Hollywood drama stuff for the special effect people

The words "as many" take away the idea that beings that do not follow the Holy Spirit as that kind of creation that has. no form (DNA)

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Not the ones that left their first place of habitation. They appose the leading of the Holy Spirit

Marrying would provide nothing as to that kind of creation that left it first place of habitation ...…..be fruitful and multiply would have no effect.

Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.Mathew 22:29-31

To begin with we do not wrestle against flesh and blood. Its simply the fathers of lies attempting to force people to walk by sight as if the kingdom of God did come by observation and not faith, the unsen eternal

That section of scripture that speaks of being unevenly yoked (Genesis 6) is simply says believer, as those led by the Spirit of God were being yoked with unbelievers (no faith) as daughters of men . Putting the spiritual seed of Christ by which men are born again.... putting in jeopardy .

God began a new beginning using Noah to represent the generation of Christ as a new beginning that was passed down to Abraham .God protecting the seed (Christ) until the fulness of time.

We can see that by looking at both genealogies

Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noah which was the son of Lamech, Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan, Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God. Luke 3:36-27

With the generation of Christ as sons of God ( the ones led by the Holy Spirit)

The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. Mathew 1:1

 

[Zmouth]

Epic of Gilgamesh

Oh please, it tells you in the first line that they were written in the year of our LORD in eighteen hundred and thirty two.

 

[justpassinthrough]

There were giants in the earth in those days;
Genesis 6:4

So if there were giants living amongst men before the 'flood' then how does one reconcile the scriptural accounts of giants after the flood, for example in 2 Sam 21:20 of “a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.”

They didn't survive the flood. All the Nephilim [giants] were destroyed in the flood.


Here is the principle of how the giants were produced -


4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4

• There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men

The way these giants were produced, was the sons of God came into the daughters of men.


Both before the flood and also afterward.



JPT

 

[justpassinthrough]

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

The only way for people to become sons of God is being born again.

Adam being the exception, because he was directly created by God.


The offspring of Adam was called a son or daughter of man [Adam].


A son of God can not be produced by natural child birth, but must be born of the Spirit.


6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:6

• Please point out for us the reference to a son of God or a Nephilim giant in the genealogy of Genesis Chapter 5, which serves as context for chapter 6.

This is the book of the genealogy of Adam. In the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. 2 He created them male and female, and blessed them and called them Mankind in the day they were created. 3 And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. 4 After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters. 5 So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died.

6 Seth lived one hundred and five years, and begot Enosh. 7 After he begot Enosh, Seth lived eight hundred and seven years, and had sons and daughters. 8 So all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years; and he died.

9 Enosh lived ninety years, and begot Cainan. 10 After he begot Cainan, Enosh lived eight hundred and fifteen years, and had sons and daughters. 11 So all the days of Enosh were nine hundred and five years; and he died.

12 Cainan lived seventy years, and begot Mahalalel. 13 After he begot Mahalalel, Cainan lived eight hundred and forty years, and had sons and daughters. 14 So all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years; and he died.

15 Mahalalel lived sixty-five years, and begot Jared. 16 After he begot Jared, Mahalalel lived eight hundred and thirty years, and had sons and daughters. 17 So all the days of Mahalalel were eight hundred and ninety-five years; and he died.

18 Jared lived one hundred and sixty-two years, and begot Enoch. 19 After he begot Enoch, Jared lived eight hundred years, and had sons and daughters. 20 So all the days of Jared were nine hundred and sixty-two years; and he died.

21 Enoch lived sixty-five years, and begot Methuselah. 22 After he begot Methuselah, Enoch walked with God three hundred years, and had sons and daughters. 23 So all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. 24 And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.

25 Methuselah lived one hundred and eighty-seven years, and begot Lamech. 26 After he begot Lamech, Methuselah lived seven hundred and eighty-two years, and had sons and daughters. 27 So all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred and sixty-nine years; and he died.

28 Lamech lived one hundred and eighty-two years, and had a son. 29 And he called his name Noah, saying, “This one will comfort us concerning our work and the toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord has cursed.” 30 After he begot Noah, Lamech lived five hundred and ninety-five years, and had sons and daughters. 31 So all the days of Lamech were seven hundred and seventy-seven years; and he died.

32 And Noah was five hundred years old, and Noah begot Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Genesis 5:1-32




JPT

 

[Zmouth]

He told Enoch and He wrote it down. What language? No clue.

No clue? Well, seeing that the cuneiform, like the hieroglyphic, is not a written language since they do not consist of words but rather images and symbols. A person can not read these images and symbols them, but rather had to first be told what the message was then could recall what they message they heard. Like a traffic signal, unless a person is told what the color of the lights meant, they would not know what red, yellow and green meant.

 

[Chuckyz2]

That would make good Hollywood drama stuff for the special effect people

The words "as many" take away the idea that beings that do not follow the Holy Spirit as that kind of creation that has. no form (DNA)

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Not the ones that left their first place of habitation. They appose the leading of the Holy Spirit

Marrying would provide nothing as to that kind of creation that left it first place of habitation ...…..be fruitful and multiply would have no effect.

Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.Mathew 22:29-31

To begin with we do not wrestle against flesh and blood. Its simply the fathers of lies attempting to force people to walk by sight as if the kingdom of God did come by observation and not faith, the unsen eternal

That section of scripture that speaks of being unevenly yoked (Genesis 6) is simply says believer, as those led by the Spirit of God were being yoked with unbelievers (no faith) as daughters of men . Putting the spiritual seed of Christ by which men are born again.... putting in jeopardy .

God began a new beginning using Noah to represent the generation of Christ as a new beginning that was passed down to Abraham .God protecting the seed (Christ) until the fulness of time.

We can see that by looking at both genealogies

Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noah which was the son of Lamech, Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan, Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God. Luke 3:36-27

With the generation of Christ as sons of God ( the ones led by the Holy Spirit)

The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. Mathew 1:1

If you leave out the 1 Enoch book of scripture, that theology could hold a little water. Yet the whole idea that someone who is a believer having union with a non believer causing giants to be born is a tad bit far fetched, wouldn't you think? Not to mention if they were that different because of the Holy Spirit or Gods Spirit, the minute they did even consider unions with outsiders would mean they no longer had that gift therefore making them the same as the others. As they all came from the same geneology in that Adam and Eve are the parents of all human beings. So that theology has at least two major errors that make it impossible to entertain. Angels mating with humans is scripture and in every ancient culture folklore. Especially if you read the Book the Enoch. And angels do come looking exactly like human beings. Some have entertained them unknowingly. There is no doubt that scripture says the angels did it. It is just a matter if you believe the Bible after seeing all the verses that relate to these matters.

 

[garee]

If you leave out the 1 Enoch book of scripture, that theology could hold a little water. Yet the whole idea that someone who is a believer having union with a non believer causing giants to be born is a tad bit far fetched, wouldn't you think? Not to mention if they were that different because of the Holy Spirit or Gods Spirit, the minute they did even consider unions with outsiders would mean they no longer had that gift therefore making them the same as the others. As they all came from the same geneology in that Adam and Eve are the parents of all human beings. So that theology has at least two major errors that make it impossible to entertain. Angels mating with humans is scripture and in every ancient culture folklore. Especially if you read the Book the Enoch. And angels do come looking exactly like human beings. Some have entertained them unknowingly. There is no doubt that scripture says the angels did it. It is just a matter if you believe the Bible after seeing all the verses that relate to these matters.

Book of Enoch develops a theology of its own ? It is not part of all things written in the law and the prophets It does not say it caused giants in the land . The taller men were already there and there after .

Some Christian Basket ball players marry shorter Christian people

 

[Zmouth]

They didn't survive the flood. All the Nephilim [giants] were destroyed in the flood.


Here is the principle of how the giants were produced -


4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4

• There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men

The way these giants were produced, was the sons of God came into the daughters of men.


Both before the flood and also afterward.



JPT

Your claim is no more a principle than someone saying a serpent beguiled Eve is a principle. (See 1 John 1:6)

A principle is like the ones found in the doctrine of Christ referred unto in Hebrews 6:1, wherein it is written "....the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection;"

Since principles can not be fabricated, or made up, like the one in John 7:16.

 

[GodisONE]

So the indigenous people of the Americas don't know who Noah was?

But for sake of believing all things, if the Americas were inhabited by man at the time of the flood, then would it have been by inhabited anyone after the flood that could tell that that tale?

Of course not, they would have died in the flood that covered the dry ground under the waters.

Of course at the time that Noah entered the Ark, the Americas was uninhabited seeing that by the three sons of Noah the world was overspread.

13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.
15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.
16 A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.
Gen 6:13-16

Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? Matt 6:27

• When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him. Isa 59:19
• Who is this that cometh up as a flood, whose waters are moved as the rivers? Egypt riseth up like a flood, and his waters are moved like the rivers; and he saith, I will go up, and will cover the earth; I will destroy the city and the inhabitants thereof.
  Jer 46:7-8

What do you think of Proverbs 30:6 or Revelations 22:15?

by jotting down a tale that the Native Americans believe coincides with their ancestors...how does that suddenly equate to me adding to the Holy Scripture?

how did you get me adding to scripture by posting the tale of what is within the tradition of Native Americans?

this is a tale that was passed down from generation to generation of their ancestors and giants dying in the flood.

so, how are you getting I am adding to scripture?

and WHO ARE YOU to know what I am doing?

 

[Zmouth]

This is the book of the genealogy of Adam. In the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. 2 He created them male and female, and blessed them and called them mankind in the day they were created.

JPT

Well at least you can't say you were warned about eating from the book of knowledge of good and evil.

16 And the LORD God commanded mankind saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Gen 2:16-17

 

[GodisONE]

The Indians are decendants of Noah that eventually ended up in the Americas.
And on every continent in the world, all the first civilizations, there is the same
folklore about the giants, the flood and God. Just the names have changed be-
cause they speak different languages. (Tower of Babel) And all the migrations
from the fertile crescent, the land just below the mountain where the ark came
to rest... are documented. Trey Smiths "Noah" on You tube is a great video giving
more details on this. As are his other videos "Nephilim" and "The theory of Everything."

I agree 100%

I also agree to validity of the Book of Enoch.

chapter 1 coincides with Daniel and Revelation. and Yeshua quoted Enoch several times within the New Testament.

I also like the Book of Jasher that king David speaks of and the Gospel of Peter and Thomas.

I believe the Gospel of Peter was omitted because it gave equality to men and women...and we know the Catholics HATE THAT!!

 

[Zmouth]

so, how are you getting I am adding to scripture?

Where did I say you were adding to scripture?

and WHO ARE YOU to know what I am doing?

So are you saying that is what you were doing?

See .John 15:15

 

[GodisONE]

Where did I say you were adding to scripture?

So are you saying that is what you were doing?

See .John 15:15

your Proverbs and Revelation scripture references pertain to adding to the scripture. thus why I mentioned it.

 

[Zmouth]

I did not state that satan was immortal.. Satan is a created being as is all angels..

You didn't? What is this quote from your post implying?

So while satan like all angels and us humans will exist forever into the future.

God created the heavens and the earth..

Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. Matt 24:35

So if the authors of the copyrighted Bibles rewrote Genesis 1:1 to say that God created the heavens and the earth, then why didn't they rewrite those scriptures like Matthew 24:35 to Heavens and earth shall pass away if they actually believed he created the heavens and the earth in Genesis 1:1.

But then again, if the world was made by his 'word' then how could the heavens and earth pass away?
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not .John 1:10

The fact that satan was that serpent of old is confirmed in scripture..

The Book of Revelation is good with revealing things:

Revelation 12: KJV
9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

Nice how it wraps up all these terms for satan so as to leave no one in doubt..

How about what the son of David said?

I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men,
that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
Eccl 3:18

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.
Gen 3:1
​

So if vipers, being evil can speak good things as evident by Matt 12:34, then obviously those who are evil give their children good gifts right?

O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Matt 12:34

Or do you think that he is saying that being evil they couldn't speak good things? or like he said in John 8:44, that they were of their father the devil who was a liar from the beginning who abode not in the truth?

 

[Zmouth]

your Proverbs and Revelation scripture references pertain to adding to the scripture. thus why I mentioned it.

I simply asked what did you think of those two verses.

 

[GodisONE]

I simply asked what did you think of those two verses.

my bad!!

and I believe them whole heartedly.
and knowing how the verse like Matthew 28:19 was changed from baptize in MY NAME [Yeshua's Name] to the trinity [this is according to the Catholic Encyclopedia being done in the 2nd Century - meaning before that, people were following Peter's Acts 2:38 (baptizing in the Name of Yeshua)] makes me wonder how that person behind that decision is serving eternity. because according to these warnings, one would have to believe they are not happy with their after life.

 

[Zmouth]

my bad!!

and I believe them whole heartedly.
and knowing how the verse like Matthew 28:19 was changed from baptize in MY NAME [Yeshua's Name] to the trinity [this is according to the Catholic Encyclopedia being done in the 2nd Century - meaning before that, people were following Peter's Acts 2:38 (baptizing in the Name of Yeshua)] makes me wonder how that person behind that decision is serving eternity. because according to these warnings, one would have to believe they are not happy with their after life.

No problem but while you mention the trinity, the Catholic dogma of the trinity did not change the wording of the passage in Matthew 28:19, which charges his disciples to go therefore and teach all nations and to baptize them in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, since they hold the trinity is a mystery of the faith which only God himself can reveal.

They baptise " in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" and not their names since the trinity doctrine is based upon the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost being three separate and distinct persons of the trinity. Which is to say, they hold that the Father is not the Son who is not the Holy Ghost who is neither the Father or the Son.

The divine persons do not share the one divinity among themselves but each of them is God whole and entire
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p2.htm​

However they don't worship three Gods, one rather one God in three persons whose nature is one God.

I thought saying Yeshua is like saying Allah, except Hebrew. Allah is not a name but the Arabic word that translates to eternal God, and Yeshua being Jewish national name for God.

So what do you think of Rev. 2:17?

 

[Enocish]

There were giants in the earth in those days;
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So if there were giants living amongst men before the 'flood' then how does one reconcile the scriptural accounts of giants after the flood, for example in 2 Sama 21:20 of “a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.”

Sorry i'm late.
We need to rightly divide the word of God, First, the Adamic souls refer to the line of Adam, The line that Christ would come through so that he could be here on earth in the flesh. That line was not defiled by the fallen angels. Now Cain's lineage made it through the flood and Cain is not part of Adams line. that should tell you something and raise a lot of questions. Also, some of the 6th-day creation made it on the ark. But only 8 Adamic souls. they were the 8th-day creation, A distinction that is not commonly made.
Just wanted to clear things up, you asked, so I was just sayin. Never take my word for it, do your own research.

 

[Zmouth]

Sorry i'm late.
But only 8 Adamic souls. they were the 8th-day creation, A distinction that is not commonly made.
Just wanted to clear things up, you asked, so I was just sayin. Never take my word for it, do your own research.

So your research revealed the 8 Adamic souls?

Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
Gen 7:2

So can you make the distinction between the clean beast and the beasts which are not clean?