Trinity vs. Oneness

[livingbygrace]

According to previous posts by Phil, I really do think he'll call you a heretic. If I remember correctly he called VW as much for taking the same position. If you read back a few pages you'll find where I commented on how Oneness believers aren't condemning Trinitarians for their beliefs, just disagreeing. Several of the Trinitarians on this thread (Phil, David, and perhaps others), however, have said that I am not saved because I don't think there are three persons but rather three manifestations.
I'm with you that this is one of those points about which we should be able to disagree without being at each other's throats and saying people are going to hell. It isn't as if anyone here is promoting licentiousness or denying that Jesus is God in the flesh.
Thank you for being willing to consider me a brother in Christ just as I consider you, in spite of our differences. We have more upon which we agree than disagree, and the most important of all:
Jesus Christ is Lord, and only in and through Him is there any hope of salvation.

I was going to comment along the same lines you have last night but didn't. But as you have commented in this regard I will.

When these discussions started I believed I would have far more in common with those who would call themselves Trinitarians than those who believe in 'oneness.' I have been proved wrong.

Though I do not personally see it the way most 'oneness' folk do, they are not the ones that are telling other Christians they are heretics. And some seem to revel in doing this.

Based on what I have read I find myself knowing in my heart that those who may believe 'onenes' theology are undoubtedly saved and on the whole have shown more Christian maturity than some Trinitarians have. So I now see oneness folk in a far better light than I may have done previously and this has taught me a valuable lesson

You are right. There is more that unites us than divides us.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I was really tired last night at 2am so don't worry about it... lol.

You quoted 1 Corinthians 1:27 where Paul’s use of sarx as applied to the “world,” shows humanity’s value systems as they stand in opposition to God’s.

Now see, you're doing it again. You're taking huge handfuls of clay from God's sculpture and chucking it out saying it doesn't matter because it doesn't align with your best thinking.

Saying the audience doesn't matter is nonsense. Of course they matter. Everything matters.

If Paul is talking to new believers who are seriously impacted by the pagan value systems in the Greco-Roman world and specifically telling them that is foolishness compared to God's values, we want to know that!

Because your earlier post read like Paul was telling Christians to disregard a proper understanding of scripture and "lean not unto their own understanding" which I described did NOT mean that.

Now you call me unloving and the Oneness loving and feel swayed to follow their error based on your feelings.

Grow up.

Paul was speaking to pagans in those verses?

He wrote that letter to the church of God in Corinth, but it would not matter who he wrote it to. The truth is still the truth.

Of course what we believe as Christians must be based on scripture. I don't quite understand your points. You say I am wrong in many instances. Could you explain which ones specifically

Whether a person has great earthly intellect or not means absolutely nothing when it comes to understanding the truth of God's word.

We have not recveived the spirit of the world but the spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak. Not in words taught us by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
The man without the spirit does not accept the things that come from the spirit of God for they are foolishness to him and he cannot understand them because they are spiritually discerned. 1Cor2:12-14

What matters is the heart. The closer a person comes to God, the more they yield to the Holy Spirit in their lives, I am sure the more the spirit is able to reveal to them

Earthly intellect can be a wonderful thing and help an individual have a better quality of life, a better job etc, but when it comes to the spiritual and understanding the truth of God's word, the person with great earthly intellect is no better off than the person with little earthly intellect. In many cases I am positive great earthly intellect proves a stumblingblock to many.

I can only repeat it is the Holy Spirit who reveals truth to us and convicts us of truth, and the closer we come to God the more He is able to reveal to us.

There is a man on another website I frequent. Someone commented that he had the theology but not the heart of the Gospel. I would agree with that.

Anything can be checked against scripture. But as we read the Bible the Holy Spirit reveals the truths to us of what He would have us see. I don't quite understand your point here.

I have discussed with many intellectual people the Gospel of grace Paul preached. Most of them do not accept the plain statements he wrote on the subject. The early Christians lived their lives in simple childlike faith and a total reliance on the Holy Spirit. They were known as the way.

I believe the truth is that in their hearts many rely on man's wisdom and philosophers and scholars that they firstly see as being deep thinkers and having great natural intellect. This has nothing to do with understanding in our hearts the truth of God's word

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Here's the main excerpt from my previous post: All three of the Johannine letters deal with problems with schismatic groups, and in 1 and 2 John one of the characteristics of these groups is that they are heretical. In 1 John 4:1 we read that “many” false prophets have left the church community for the world. In 2 John 4 we read that “some” of the Christians are walking in the truth, while in 2 John 7 we learn that there are “many deceivers.”

The impression is that people in the church are defecting and going “out into the world,” probably to form their own groups based on their own doctrines: Exactly what we saw the Oneness adherents do in the early part of the 20th century just as some did in an earlier period and what you, for all I know, may be preparing to do or done already.

In 1 John 4 the heretics claim to be inspired by the Holy Spirit when they teach what they do about Jesus. This does not mean that they were under direct Spirit-control at the time of their speaking, but that they were claiming that this was what the Spirit had taught them. John says that one can tell the true Spirit of God by the doctrine he teaches.

The Christian church finds its unity not around this or that doctrine, but around Jesus Christ. The one not committed to the real Jesus Christ does not know either the Father or the Son, according to John.

The ancient error and its modern Oneness offshoots misrepresent God and who Jesus Christ really is. So you have a serious matter here since your claims of truth are non-orthodox and based on a flawed usage of scripture and history.

Now pointing out this very scriptural truth does not mean the person who does so falls into some kind of judgment or condemnation.

Now, in Romans 2:1–4 Paul lays down the principle that judgment passed on others is in some sense “reflexive”; that is, when we pass judgment on others, we condemn ourselves at the same time. For only God knows the truth about us, and only he is able therefore to pass judgment. We are mere creatures, limited with respect to both the truth about others and the truth about ourselves. We, like all others, are sinners (Rom 3:23); that is the ultimate reason we ought not to pass judgment.

Paul is speaking about not condemning persons. Paul is not addressing speaking against unorthdox false doctrines.

Personally, I've condemned no one because God loves everyone. In fact, I've blessed you repeatedly and will continue to as per Romans 12:21 and many other New Testament scriptures instruct to.

What I have done is speak against heresy. You guys are actually sitting in here making up new heresy as if it were perfectly OK.

Notice that Paul’s words against judging seem to stand in conflict with his harsh words in Galatians 1:9, so the larger picture of Jesus’ teaching and life, characterized by love and compassion, by humility and forgiveness, stands in apparent conflict with another dimension of his life: Jesus’ words and actions could be uncompromisingly harsh toward those who opposed him and his ministry.

Paul spoke of “false brothers” (Gal 2:4) and those who oppose the “truth of the gospel” (Gal 2:5, 14), confuse the believers (Gal 1:7), “pervert the gospel of Christ” (Gal 1:7), bewitch the saints (Gal 3:1). This strong language shows how serious the matter was for Paul. What was at stake when Paul said this was nothing less than the Gospel of Christ.

It is clear then that Paul is not calling for the condemnation of his opponents because they are opposed to him, but rather because they are enemies of the gospel. That gospel is of divine origin, not of Paul’s invention (Gal 1:11–12). Therefore, those who pervert it subvert God’s redemptive purpose. Preaching a non-orthdox Jesus Christ is to miss the mark.

On those who thus act and teach, the judgment of God is justly pronounced. Thus there is here no real conflict between Paul’s general call for a nonjudgmental spirit and his strong word of judgment here, just as there is no real conflict between Jesus’ teaching on love for one’s opponents and his words of judgment. In both cases, where the work and truth of God is at stake, those who reject it stand under judgment.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

No just someone who doesn't understand scripture well enough to see the material problem with your statement. Read my previous post.

If someone wants to believe that Jesus is the Father, let them, because they are one after all. Whether they baptize in the name of Jesus or in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, there is only one God that they are baptizing in and only one God that died for them, only one God that saved them by grace and only one God that they will return to in heaven. Each one acknowledges that Jesus Christ is their Saviour and Lord. Some will baptize in the name of Jesus, some will baptize in the name of the trinity and those that have been baptized either way have put off the old man and put on the new and we are thankful. Will I also be accused of being a heretic?

 

[distinctiveministry]

I was going to comment along the same lines you have last night but didn't. But as you have commented in this regard I will.

When these discussions started I believed I would have far more in common with those who would call themselves Trinitarians than those who believe in 'oneness.' I have been proved wrong.

Though I do not personally see it the way most 'oneness' folk do, they are not the ones that are telling other Christians they are heretics. And some seem to revel in doing this.

Based on what I have read I find myself knowing in my heart that those who may believe 'onenes' theology are undoubtedly saved and on the whole have shown more Christian maturity than some Trinitarians have. So I now see oneness folk in a far better light than I may have done previously and this has taught me a valuable lesson

You are right. There is more that unites us than divides us.

Well...
I'll be honest and say that the attitude differences are between a very small sampling of oneness believers and trinitarians. I think your approach as stated previously is probably best...believe what you feel scripture teaches, and continue to have a charitable and loving attitude towards all. VW is an example of the right attitude from a trinitarian perspective (although I think he may have said he was previously oneness, just as I was previously trinitarian).
The thing that oneness believers have in common isn't love toward others, although I wish this were true, but only their firm conviction that God is only one person.
Ditto for trinitarians; they don't share a common attitude toward others, just a conviction about God being one God but three persons.

Certainly the point has been fairly made that some larger oneness denominations do not have a charitable attitude toward trinitarians (UPCI has been accused of this and is the largest oneness group that I know of).

What all oneness and trinitarians share is a strong conviction about their beliefs and a desire to share their understanding with others from different perspectives. When two people are both interested in seeing the other change their mind about something they hold firmly, well, you get fireworks as we've seen here.

In the end, livingbygrace, there are beauties and toads on both sides of the issue. You can only strive to be a beauty and to understand rightly what scripture teaches. And it should be both, without one making the other somehow unimportant (ie it's more important to be right than loving or vice versa).

God bless you and all as we press on to more deeply understand our awesome, mysterious God!

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I'll be honest and say that the attitude differences are really not the issue but rather the topical discussion of who God is and whether or not it's OK to make up heresies and teach them and we should concentrate on that and not personally attack educated orthodox Chrisitans that love us enough to correct us when we follow our feelings to places that are in contradiction to God's Word, history, logic, etc... Instead of believing what you feel scripture teaches, you should come to understand what it really teaches. My God bless you in that endeavor from his orthodox storehouse of wisdom and knowledge.

 

[livingbygrace]

I was really tired last night at 2am so don't worry about it... lol.

You quoted 1 Corinthians 1:27 where Paul’s use of sarx as applied to the “world,” shows humanity’s value systems as they stand in opposition to God’s.

Now see, you're doing it again. You're taking huge handfuls of clay from God's sculpture and chucking it out saying it doesn't matter because it doesn't align with your best thinking.

Saying the audience doesn't matter is nonsense. Of course they matter. Everything matters.

If Paul is talking to new believers who are seriously impacted by the pagan value systems in the Greco-Roman world and specifically telling them that is foolishness compared to God's values, we want to know that!

Because your earlier post read like Paul was telling Christians to disregard a proper understanding of scripture and "lean not unto their own understanding" which I described did NOT mean that.

Now you call me unloving and the Oneness loving and feel swayed to follow their error based on your feelings.

Grow up.

I think you should reread my comment. I did not say I was thinking of following the oneness doctrine at all.

The verses I quoted from 1Cor you are trying to reason to mean something other than the clear statements they obviously mean. I would have thought it obvious that the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight.

I believe that many who discuss on these forums in their hearts wish to rely on their own human intellect, as well as others and believe this can show them the deeper meaning of scripture. I do not believe it can.

Plain simple verses of scripture are usurped and ignored on the altar of man and his reasoning.

I believe this is where sop much has gone wrong. In truth many are offended at a simple, childlike faith and a total reliance on the Holy Spirit. People wish to believe they with their fallible minds can understand new, hidden depths of scripture.

A man I discussed with on another website told me my opinions were the same as a Rpoman Christian in 200 AD. He said I should move on from there. That statement says much to me concerning man and his searcvh for knowledge.

If his statement was true it heartens me. I will always put the plain statements of the Bible above man and his intellect, however great that intellect is supposed to be.

People are always offended by those verses in 1Cor, but give their explanations as to why they were written.

Abraham was justiified by his faith. It is a good job he did not trely on the human intellect and reasoning when God told him to sacrifice the son through whom a great nation would come.

So many who call themselves Trinitarians and say we must believe that Christ is God Himself in my opinioon wish to stand on man and his intellect rather than on the plain, simple statements of the Bible.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Look, yes God's plan of redemption confounds the wisdom, strength and facticity of both the Jews and the pagans and the atheists and those in false religious systems based on works for salvation today. God’s purpose in doing this is that he would be acknowledged as God and that any boasting would be a boast in him (1 Cor 1:29–31). In other words, God gets the glory.

Election is seen as a purposeful act of God directed to the moral end of keeping his readers’ pride in check. The Corinthians are summoned to examine their calling: not many wise, powerful or well-born were among them, primarily because the means God chose to effect his calling and election, namely, the preaching of the cross, was despised and rejected by the world (1 Cor 1:18–21).

To those who believe (1 Cor 1:21), who are the called (1 Cor 1:24), who in humility acknowledge Christ as Lord, Christ becomes wisdom, righteousness, sanctification and redemption (1 Cor 1:30)—the very power and wisdom of God (1 Cor 1:24).

On THAT, I'll agree with you.

Anyone can get saved... a child can get saved... a developmentally disabeled person can get saved. This is foolishness to the world. It was then, it is now. The truth of God's Word and God's plan of redemption is foolisness to a world that rejects God.

Now this does not mean that Paul is saying a proper understanding of scripture, math, history, chemistry, logic, etc... are foolishness. He is not celebrating stupidity here.

Paul is addressing an audience of newly converted Hellenized Jews and gentile pagans who believed in the law for salvation and pantheons of false gods and philosphies that ran contrary to the revelation of Jesus Christ yeah the Word of God before their conversion (and some were even formulating their own false doctrines and Paul had a lot to say about it as I mentioned before!)

Paul was not the first Khmer Rouge... lol.

Paul says scripture is GOOD and GOD BREATHED and we need to learn it and be reproved by it. You deny this and call it bad and you're going against what God said.

Paul had a lot too say in scripture, as I posted before about people who make up false doctrines.

I think you should reread my comment. I did not say I was thinking of following the oneness doctrine at all.

The verses I quoted from 1Cor you are trying to reason to mean something other than the clear statements they obviously mean. I would have thought it obvious that the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight.

I believe that many who discuss on these forums in their hearts wish to rely on their own human intellect, as well as others and believe this can show them the deeper meaning of scripture. I do not believe it can.

Plain simple verses of scripture are usurped and ignored on the altar of man and his reasoning.

I believe this is where sop much has gone wrong. In truth many are offended at a simple, childlike faith and a total reliance on the Holy Spirit. People wish to believe they with their fallible minds can understand new, hidden depths of scripture.

A man I discussed with on another website told me my opinions were the same as a Rpoman Christian in 200 AD. He said I should move on from there. That statement says much to me concerning man and his searcvh for knowledge.

If his statement was true it heartens me. I will always put the plain statements of the Bible above man and his intellect, however great that intellect is supposed to be.

People are always offended by those verses in 1Cor, but give their explanations as to why they were written.

Abraham was justiified by his faith. It is a good job he did not trely on the human intellect and reasoning when God told him to sacrifice the son through whom a great nation would come.

So many who call themselves Trinitarians and say we must believe that Christ is God Himself in my opinioon wish to stand on man and his intellect rather than on the plain, simple statements of the Bible.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Paul NEVER cosigned heresy about who God is in an attempt to appear loving. Never. Not even once. He did not because he truly loved God and his fellow man.

 

[distinctiveministry]

I'll be honest and say that the attitude differences are really not the issue but rather the topical discussion of who God is and whether or not it's OK to make up heresies and teach them and we should concentrate on that and not personally attack educated orthodox Chrisitans that love us enough to correct us when we follow our feelings to places that are in contradiction to God's Word, history, logic, etc... Instead of believing what you feel scripture teaches, you should come to understand what it really teaches. My God bless you in that endeavor from his orthodox storehouse of wisdom and knowledge.

Sorry, AoK, but you are just arrogant. Not a personal attack, just that your words cannot be taken any other way other than by yourself. You arrogantly assume that the only way to come to Oneness convictions is through feelings and not well reasoned interpretation of scripture.

I think you break fellowship with others by your attitude rather than by different convictions. Pardon me for ignoring your posts and refusing to respond until you actually love others enough to write lovingly.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

More name calling. More personal attacks. No I am not arrogant distinctive. Your rebuke is misplaced. I am sharing God's Word with you and you don't like it because it doesn't align with your own views or the illogical and relativistic/pluralistic idea that all positions are equally correct and I'm not compromising it so you call me arrogant.

I forgive you though for your name calling and personal attacks that are out of order here. I love you. In fact, I love you enough to correct your heresy rather than just look the other way while you invent a new one. That's HOW much I love you.

Resorting to name calling is an ad hominem attack that is very unChristlike, goes against love the greatest fruit of the spirit, spoken against in scripture, and in a discussion or a debate nothing more than a logical fallacy. Please refrain from name calling posts like this in the future. Thank you.

Now back to the subject at hand which currently is: What does scripture say about people who make up heresies regarding who He is and teach them to others?

Sorry, AoK, but you are just arrogant. Not a personal attack, just that your words cannot be taken any other way other than by yourself. You arrogantly assume that the only way to come to Oneness convictions is through feelings and not well reasoned interpretation of scripture.

I think you break fellowship with others by your attitude rather than by different convictions. Pardon me for ignoring your posts and refusing to respond until you actually love others enough to write lovingly.

 

[Consumed]

More name calling. More personal attacks. No I am not arrogant distinctive. Your rebuke is misplaced. I am sharing God's Word with you and you don't like it because it doesn't align with your own views or the illogical and relativistic/pluralistic idea that all positions are equally correct and I'm not compromising it so you call me arrogant.

I forgive you though for your name calling and personal attacks that are out of order here. I love you. In fact, I love you enough to correct your heresy rather than just look the other way while you invent a new one. That's HOW much I love you.

Resorting to name calling is an ad hominem attack that is very unChristlike, goes against love the greatest fruit of the spirit, spoken against in scripture, and in a discussion or a debate nothing more than a logical fallacy. Please refrain from name calling posts like this in the future. Thank you.

Now back to the subject at hand which currently is: What does scripture say about people who make up heresies regarding who He is and teach them to others?

brother read the content of what some are trying to say to you brother, "its the manner in which you give your views" - loveless then assertain its given out of love. We all cant be wrong and just you right.
Anyone who doesnt see things your way are a heretic straight up, planks and specs???We were taught in ministry to point things out we saw that people could do better, never taking away nor tearing them down in the process - you are more than entitled to express your view, dont burn others who dont brother

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Consumed, this is a discussion of Oneness doctrine versus the teaching of the Trinity. They are not both right. I'm loving and my views are orthdox meaning they are authentic historic Christian views. So it's no surprise I hold the orthodox view of the Trinity rather than the made up excommunicated heresy of Oneness that arose after the fact.

Do you have something to add to the actual discussion or are you going to just continue to propigate lies like the one you just told where you falsely asserted that I'm calling everyone a heretic that doesn't see things my way on every issue.

Stop lying. I've not done that. I use the word heresy, exactly as I described in a previous post to differentiate the orthodox view of scripture from the heresy of Oneness. This is a scholarly usage of the word.

That's it! I've not condemned anyone personally, judged them as persons (as you're doing here to me and even making up a lie!)

Now go do something good and stop making up lies about me. It's getting on my nerves. Go view the videos I just posted in another thread. Watch them all of the all the way through.

I'm sorry if this thread has hurt your feelings but you've been pretty hurtful yourself with all the condeming you've been doing of me. Especially the making up the lie that I call everyone a heretic that disagrees with whatever I say. What a lie that is. I used the word in a scholarly way with regards to the topic. Repent from your slander.

brother read the content of what some are trying to say to you brother, "its the manner in which you give your views" - loveless then assertain its given out of love. We all cant be wrong and just you right.
Anyone who doesnt see things your way are a heretic straight up, planks and specs???We were taught in ministry to point things out we saw that people could do better, never taking away nor tearing them down in the process - you are more than entitled to express your view, dont burn others who dont brother

 

[Consumed]

brother my heart doesnt condemn me, im in right standing with God then, once again you take my encouragement as slander, if it gets on your nerves shows something needs to be addressed in you not me. If someone offends us its not what the other person says or does its something in us that needs addressing. abc christianity brother, ministry teaches us that, been doing it long enough brother to know that theology of theology is not the way to salvation and reaching out to people. Bless you brother, praying this doesnt offend you

being sad is different to being hurt, hurt comes by offence taken and kept. topics are topics, just cause one doesnt see it one way doesnt make them a heretic, condemning statement, they used to burn them at the stake with that as being their justification... you know that, its in church history, learn from it brother

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

You accused me of calling everyone a heretic that disagrees with me. That is a false accusation. I forgive you but you are the one making the false accusation not me.

You've been on here condemning me repeatedly and I haven't done anything wrong. If you have a problem with the word heresy, take it up with the apostles who wrote that word in Greek in the New Testament to differentiate what Jesus and they were teaching with the false teachers that were arising. I use it in scholarly way to differentiate between orthdox historic Christianity and false teaching in exactly the same way. That's it.

The rest of your post is just rambling how scripture is useless to salvation something that isn't true as scripture teaches, "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." -Romans 10:17.

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." 2 Timothy 3:16.

Learn it, apply it. Goodbye.

brother my heart doesnt condemn me, im in right standing with God then, once again you take my encouragement as slander, if it gets on your nerves shows something needs to be addressed in you not me. If someone offends us its not what the other person says or does its something in us that needs addressing. abc christianity brother, ministry teaches us that, been doing it long enough brother to know that theology of theology is not the way to salvation and reaching out to people. Bless you brother, praying this doesnt offend you

being sad is different to being hurt, hurt comes by offence taken and kept. topics are topics, just cause one doesnt see it one way doesnt make them a heretic, condemning statement, they used to burn them at the stake with that as being their justification... you know that, its in church history, learn from it brother

 

[Consumed]

we all go thru this aok, part of the walk, comes a day when the only thing that matters is Jesus and Jesus alone, love overwhelms and nothing else matters, not doctrines, topics, viewpoints - Just Jesus, love you bro, we all go thru the fire to remove the dross.

aok, just over a week ago you agreed that you needed to come across in more a loving way, just was encouraging you to stay with that

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I read on the forum that you are a Oneness Penetecostal right? Now the only time you seem to come on to this thread is to make false accusations that I am unloving or I call everyone a heretic who disagrees with me on any point of disagreement. These are flat out lies.

You'll NEVER hear me use the word outside of an orthodox scholarly point of differentiation. And I am loving. Anyone who knows me in real life or on Christian Chat that talks to me in the rooms knows this.

But your words are untrue and not safe here today, your position is biased as you only single out me, and you yourself aren't practicing what you preach to me.

It is on this basis that I reject your rebuke. Pull the log out of your own eye Consumed. I'm here in love and you're trying to find a speck in my eye as you condemn me, say things that aren't true about me, and focus all your condemnation on me (in the pretext of love of course... lol).

Please don't be consumed about me friend. Go find something else to do. The clanging is becoming unbearable... lol.

we all go thru this aok, part of the walk, comes a day when the only thing that matters is Jesus and Jesus alone, love overwhelms and nothing else matters, not doctrines, topics, viewpoints - Just Jesus, love you bro, we all go thru the fire to remove the dross.

aok, just over a week ago you agreed that you needed to come across in more a loving way, just was encouraging you to stay with that

 

[Consumed]

no brother im not a oneness pentecostal sorry to disappoint you brother, im non denominational who attends a pentecostal church where God has planted me. i voted whats the difference as in - who cares - ive stated that.

havent singled you out brother, sorry you feel this way, all good, was just being encouraging to you, nothing more nothing less. it is after all about Jesus, not theologies of doctrines.

lighten up, no attacks on you, just encouraging words, love covers a multitude of our misgivings, His love for us.

blessings

 

[SantoSubito]

no brother im not a oneness pentecostal sorry to disappoint you brother, im non denominational who attends a pentecostal church where God has planted me. i voted whats the difference as in - who cares - ive stated that.

havent singled you out brother, sorry you feel this way, all good, was just being encouraging to you, nothing more nothing less. it is after all about Jesus, not theologies of doctrines.

lighten up, no attacks on you, just encouraging words, love covers a multitude of our misgivings, His love for us.

blessings

In AOK's defense he is arguing against something that was condemned as heresy LONG AGO in the second century AD. In order to love Jesus you must know who he is and know his relationship to the Father, and Oneness Pentecostals know neither.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I am not disappointed. That's just what I thought I read. Thank you for clearing it up. But why even play the martyr role like that? Anyways, so you're willing to stop condemning me and falsely accusing me right? Great? This is excellent news!

Now let's all hold hands and sing a song of forgiveness and love. Divinity, VW, the rest, here's my hand... take it. It's an uncompromising hand that might hurt your feelings but it's not two faced and will not let you down when you need it the most. Peace and God bless each of you. I love you and believe, from my heart, that each of you are tremendously valuable inherently. And that's the truth.

no brother im not a oneness pentecostal sorry to disappoint you brother, im non denominational who attends a pentecostal church where God has planted me. i voted whats the difference as in - who cares - ive stated that.

havent singled you out brother, sorry you feel this way, all good, was just being encouraging to you, nothing more nothing less. it is after all about Jesus, not theologies of doctrines.

lighten up, no attacks on you, just encouraging words, love covers a multitude of our misgivings, His love for us.

blessings