What must I do to be saved

gb9 · Jul 21, 2018

man's opinion with no Scripture. well, that is better than man's wrong opinion of Scripture. like your wrong opinions.

I see that you are still pushing the lie you tell about 1st John and command keeping. John stated that the Commands were to believe in the name of the Son and love one another.

you point at the Law. John does not. so, when you imply that John was specking of the Law of Moses, he was not. so, stop being deceitful.

justpassinthrough · Jul 21, 2018

gb9 said:

Those who obey His commandments are those who love.

Those who come to be in Christ by believing must remain in Christ or be cast into the fire and burned.

It's really comes down to believing.

If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6

If a person believes for a while, then no longer believes, is no longer a believer.

It's one thing to be in Christ, it's another to remain in Christ.

We must obey His word, His teaching, His doctrine as Lord if we are to remain in Christ.

Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9

Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24

His commandments are about loving God by loving His people.

He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 1 John 2:4-5

If we steal from our brother, is that love or hate?

If we covet our brothers things, is that love or hate?

If we commit adultery with our brother wife, is that love or hate?

20 If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen? 1 John 4:20

2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:2

For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments.

Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15

justpassinthrough · Jul 21, 2018

gb9 said:

His Commandments; Not the law of Moses.

Please stop twisting what John says, in a vain attempt to hide your hatred of the truth.

If you are honest, then answer these questions honestly.

If we steal from our brother, is that love or hate?

If we covet our brothers things, is that love or hate?

If we commit adultery with our brother wife, is that love or hate?

20 If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen? 1 John 4:20

2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:2

For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments.

The biblical definition of Love: this the love of God, that we keep His commandments.

JPT

gb9 · Jul 21, 2018

twist what? John, who was with Christ . echoed His words- Jesus said whosoever believes in Me...... and He also said " a new Command I give you, love one another as I have loved you".

so, no, I accept Scripture with no spin. folks like you, with a command keeping for salvation message, have to add meaning.

so, you need to stop your manipulating of Scripture to push a man-made religion.

ForestGreenCook · Jul 21, 2018

justpassinthrough said:

I find this post to be typical of those who promote OSAS.

Stating opinion then "tagging" their opinion with a scripture "reference", but no actual scripture, and no context.

Example:

There is not single scripture in your post, just a bunch of nonsense.

Go back and address my post's with all the scriptures I quoted and the points that I made that come directly and are the actual words of the scripture.

9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9

again

Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24

If someone does not have fellowship [communion; common union - intercourse] with Him, then by definition they have become lost.

James says it this way -

Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save [l]a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20

if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner

Clear enough.

JPT

I quoted John 6:39 word for word. Can you not read, or, are you just ignoring it?

justpassinthrough · Jul 21, 2018

ForestGreenCook said:

You did not quote John 6:39 word for word. That is bearing false witness.

Lying is not loving God, nor loving your brother.

I listed your quote for all to see.

Here is what John 6:39 actually says -

This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.
John 6:39

It's the Fathers will that none should be lost.

Will some become lost, because they wander away? Yes.

Please repent of teaching my brothers and sisters a lie.

Lying is not love.

JPT

Ralph- · Jul 21, 2018

fredoheaven said:

Men of high degree are the ones who told us the Greek verbs 'saved' and 'hold fast' in the passage are in the present tense:

"1Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. "-1 Corinthians 15:1-2

I'm not making this up. The verbs really are in the Greek present tense. I'm simply acknowledging what 'men of high degree' have said the tenses are.

Bottom line: If you are not presently believing you are not presently saved. Believing is the condition for being saved. Believing is a condition that you must be satisfying at this very moment to be saved at this very moment.

fredoheaven said:

Where does the Bible say 'believing' is you trying to save yourself? Last time I checked 'believing' was the exact thing I'm supposed to do to be saved. But people keep telling me that's me doing something to earn my salvation.

ForestGreenCook · Jul 21, 2018

justpassinthrough said:

Quite a strong accusation JPT, but I did not lie! Get yourself a KJV and read John 6:39 again, and you will see that I did, indeed, quote it word for word. I perceive that you have a pretty bad attitude in discussing the scriptures. A lot of the newer translated versions of the bible have changed the words of some scriptures to make them to teach that man has to take a part in his eternal salvation, which limits God's power.

theanointedsinner · Jul 21, 2018

Proverbs 23:26 `My Son, give me your heart and let your eyes delight in my ways`--This is a critical verse for the question. There is no indication of being ready, or waiting for the right time, or not feeling authentic. It's a simple command. GIVE ME YOUR HEART. Trust God for the rest.

the question becomes, how can we possibly give all our hearts, we feel reluctant
I'm guessing, tell God about how you feel and trust that God can help deal with it

theanointedsinner · Jul 21, 2018

Whole-har-ted-ley

OstrichSmiling · Jul 21, 2018

Jesus, Yeshua, Emmanuel, suffered unimaginable torture and died a horrible death to keep it simple. How to be saved:
"Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life." John 5:24

justpassinthrough · Jul 21, 2018

ForestGreenCook said:

Your quote -

Once you have eternal life you do not lose it, John 6:39

What Jesus actually said in John 6:39

And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 6:39

Please repent of bearing false witness.

The actual words of scripture is what is true.

Please repent of stating your opinion and tagging your opinion with a scripture reference as if what you are saying is equal to scripture.

You are willfully and knowingly deceiving God’s children in order to lead them away from the truth.

JPT

OstrichSmiling · Jul 21, 2018

justpassinthrough said:

The falsehood is that Jesus died to give us conditional life and transitory salvation. Which is no salvation at all.

What does not seem to be said enough is that teaching which argues a human reborn as a new creation by God's free irrevocable gift of salvation can fall back into their former dead self by choice or work, is the lie.

No thing a child of God, a redeemed soul, has done in order to be called eternally saved was foreseen by God. His word tells us this. He knew us before the creation of the world. He chose in him before the foundation of the world. Ephesians 1.
Jesus, Yeshua, Emmanuel-"God with us", calls his sheep by name and we know him. John 10.
And no one will take us away from him. "I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them away from me, " verse 28.

We could not work to gain salvation. We cannot work to change God's mind as upon whom he has bestowed his grace.
That teaching that insists that is indeed the case is a teaching that first and foremost announces its founder and teachers are not in Christ.
It is why they insist it is possible for human will to be stronger than God's.

Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 2 Corinthians 11:14

plaintalk · Jul 21, 2018

Ralph- said:

Thank you for your clarification. With all respect, I have a little different idea of salvation, I might be wrong. "There is therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death." (Rom. 8; 1,2) I believe that those who are in Christ are free from the law that says if you sin you will die. You appear to be saying that if those in grace sin, they are out of grace until they repent, this process could go on repeatedly , in and out, in and out. This is what some have called yo-yo salvation; not to reassuring if you die before you repent.

If we are in Christ and sin, we need to confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, but we don't loose our salvation because of inadvertent sin, the sin that is not unto death. IMO this is not a sin of unbelief but of human weakness, we need that new body.
God bless

justpassinthrough · Jul 21, 2018

OstrichSmiling said:

The condition for salvation is to believe.

I guess you don’t understand that.

Now that your understanding of the condition for salvation has been enlightened, please repent of promoting Heresy among God’s children.

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21

Those Christian’s who practice promoting heresies will not inherit the kingdom of God.

JPT

OstrichSmiling · Jul 21, 2018

justpassinthrough said:

The condition for salvation is to believe.

I guess you don’t understand that.

Now that your understanding of the condition for salvation has been enlightened, please repent of promoting Heresy among God’s children.

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21

Those Christian’s who practice promoting heresies will not inherit the kingdom of God.

JPT

Then I would stop promoting the falsehood that man's will is stronger than God. And that there is no such thing as eternal irrevocable salvation.

justpassinthrough · Jul 21, 2018

plaintalk said:

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1

who do not walk according to the flesh,

theanointedsinner · Jul 21, 2018

OstrichSmiling said:

and dcontroversal would consider our so called Jesus as a weak inept liar

theanointedsinner · Jul 21, 2018

justpassinthrough said:

you must be a holy man who walk by the spirit

OstrichSmiling · Jul 21, 2018

theanointedsinner said:

I'm sure they'll have something to say about that charge. Why would you say such a thing when there is no cause to say such a thing?

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