God does not love all mankind.
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I was referring to the worlds most intelligent people who scoff at the Gospel as foolishness. They hear the whole Gospel and walk away disgusted and their intelligence insulted, yet us dumb sheep believe it.
So why do dumb sheep believe it and smart men reject it, is there something stupid about the Gospel are we foolish to believe it or is it them who are foolish. Or could it just be that the Bible is right when it says that faith is a gift from God, given to His elect.
So why do dumb sheep believe it and smart men reject it, is there something stupid about the Gospel are we foolish to believe it or is it them who are foolish. Or could it just be that the Bible is right when it says that faith is a gift from God, given to His elect.
When you say God does not love all mankind are you speaking from personal experience,lol.
God loves all people, and says He wants all people to repent, come to the knowledge of the truth, and be saved, which is spiritually saved, so He loves all people in that matter.
On earth God still loves all people, for He rains on the just and the unjust, and has given all people the chance to have the good life on earth, which Solomon said God gives to people that reward to eat, drink, and be merry.
The Jews complained that what profit is there in serving God, when the wicked do not care about God but yet they prosper, and have riches, and their children benefit, and they are not in trouble like other men, which God said one day you will be able to discern between those that serve Me and those who do not, for when that day comes the wicked will be under the soles of you feet, and you will shine brightly and prosper.
And in Psalms the same thing about complaining that the wicked prosper on earth while the saints do not, and struggle, and have trouble, until he went in to the sanctuary of God and understood their end.
The Pharisees liked to give glory to themselves and wanted people to think that they were something special for living for God, that they were great men, and Jesus said they have their reward because they loved the praises of men more than the praises of God.
Everybody gets a reward, and some have it on this earth, and some have it in the next earth, so God will not stop the wicked in their prospering on earth heaping money, and material things to themselves, and living the good life on earth.
God loves all people and all people can have spiritual salvation, and the wicked can enjoy the good of the world in money, and material things, power, and prestige, and benefiting on earth according to the flesh, but they have their reward and it is only what pertains to this earth, and they shall proceed no further, but the saints can only enjoy this earth according to their needs, and cannot enjoy this earth to the degree that the wicked will do it, but their reward is eternal life which is way greater than this earth.
Which Jesus said what profit is it if you gain the whole world but lose your soul.
Rev 3:19, As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten; Be zealous therefore, and repent.
This is only addressed to the people that have confessed Christ, which God is saying to the hypocrites repent of your ways, and be in the truth, for they said they were rich, doing great above their needs in money, and increased with goods, and had need of nothing, but God said they were not doing right.
In other words they were going for the reward of this world, instead of sticking to going to the reward of the next world, and to care about the poor and needy, which money is the root of all evil for it neglects the poor and needy.
And contrary to popular belief a lot of people that claim Christ are involved in wanting money, and material things, going by their wants instead of only going by their needs.
Oh wait, it is not contrary to popular belief, it is popular belief.
The 7 Churches are the way the popular belief about Christianity will be at that time frame, although there is always people in the truth, and the last Church age is popular in the end time, which is now, and we see it is with the prosperity Gospel, and many going by their wants.
God loves all people, and says He wants all people to repent, come to the knowledge of the truth, and be saved, which is spiritually saved, so He loves all people in that matter.
On earth God still loves all people, for He rains on the just and the unjust, and has given all people the chance to have the good life on earth, which Solomon said God gives to people that reward to eat, drink, and be merry.
The Jews complained that what profit is there in serving God, when the wicked do not care about God but yet they prosper, and have riches, and their children benefit, and they are not in trouble like other men, which God said one day you will be able to discern between those that serve Me and those who do not, for when that day comes the wicked will be under the soles of you feet, and you will shine brightly and prosper.
And in Psalms the same thing about complaining that the wicked prosper on earth while the saints do not, and struggle, and have trouble, until he went in to the sanctuary of God and understood their end.
The Pharisees liked to give glory to themselves and wanted people to think that they were something special for living for God, that they were great men, and Jesus said they have their reward because they loved the praises of men more than the praises of God.
Everybody gets a reward, and some have it on this earth, and some have it in the next earth, so God will not stop the wicked in their prospering on earth heaping money, and material things to themselves, and living the good life on earth.
God loves all people and all people can have spiritual salvation, and the wicked can enjoy the good of the world in money, and material things, power, and prestige, and benefiting on earth according to the flesh, but they have their reward and it is only what pertains to this earth, and they shall proceed no further, but the saints can only enjoy this earth according to their needs, and cannot enjoy this earth to the degree that the wicked will do it, but their reward is eternal life which is way greater than this earth.
Which Jesus said what profit is it if you gain the whole world but lose your soul.
Rev 3:19, As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten; Be zealous therefore, and repent.
This is only addressed to the people that have confessed Christ, which God is saying to the hypocrites repent of your ways, and be in the truth, for they said they were rich, doing great above their needs in money, and increased with goods, and had need of nothing, but God said they were not doing right.
In other words they were going for the reward of this world, instead of sticking to going to the reward of the next world, and to care about the poor and needy, which money is the root of all evil for it neglects the poor and needy.
And contrary to popular belief a lot of people that claim Christ are involved in wanting money, and material things, going by their wants instead of only going by their needs.
Oh wait, it is not contrary to popular belief, it is popular belief.
The 7 Churches are the way the popular belief about Christianity will be at that time frame, although there is always people in the truth, and the last Church age is popular in the end time, which is now, and we see it is with the prosperity Gospel, and many going by their wants.
Shrum, I have explained the scriptures you give that you think support your belief that it is man's decision to save himself and my explanations make the scriptures harmonize. You do not attempt to do the same. All scriptures must harmonize. God does, indeed, leave it up to mans free will, as to how he wants to live his life here on earth, but God chooses his eternal destination.
I am just going to ignore your first comment, Does "as many as" signify all mankind, or a portion of mankind? If God chastens those that he loves, does that mean if he does not chasten some that he does not love some? Your second statement, sense you did not put book, chapter and verse, I am guessing that you have reference to Romans the 10th chapter. Paul is talk about Gods disobedient children in verse 1 he refers to them as being of Israel and in verse 2 Paul said that they have a zeal of God, which does not fit the description of the natural man according to 1 Cor 2:14. Paul goes on to say that they are lacking in a knowledge of the law of grace and are going about trying to establish their righteousness by the old law of works, as you are. Paul, in verse 9 is telling them what they must do to be saved (delivered) from their ignorance of the law of grace if, as he stated in verse 3, they would submit themselves unto the righteousness of God. Their is a timely deliverance (salvation) in repenting and submitting yourself to the righteousness of God, I do not know how anybody can harmonize the scriptures without understanding the difference in a timely salvation and an eternal salvation, as most of the salvation scriptures are referencing a timely salvation. I believe that most that are on this forum are children of God and I also think that most of them do not understand just how depraved they are by their fleshly nature. God wants those that worship him to worship him with a contrite heart.
I have already shown you that the 1889 edition of Thayer’s includes John 3:16 under definition No. 5 (the inhabitants of the world; particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race):
From Thayer's (1889 edition):
5. the inhabitants of the world: θέατρον ἐγενήθημεν τῷ κόσμῳ καί ἀγγέλοις καί ἀνθρώποις
1 Co. iv. 9 [W. 127 (121)]; particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race (first so in Sap. (e. g. x. 1)): Mt. xiii. 38 ; xviii. 7 ; Mk. xiv. 9; Jn. i. 10, 29, [36 L in br.]; iii. 16 sq.; vi. 33, 51; viii. 26; xii. 47; xiii. 1; xiv. 31; xvi. 28; xvii. 6, 21, 23; Ro. iii. 6, 19; 1 Co. i. 27 sq. [cf. W. 189 (178)]; iv. 13; v. 10; xiv. 10; 2 Co. v. 19; Jas. ii. 5 [cf. W. u. s.]; 1 Jn. ii. 2 [cf. W. 577 (536)];
All of the verses in your post #170 appear under definition #5. Even John 3:17 is buried further down under #5.
Gee ... I wonder who got ahold of Thayer's and made those changes so it would appear to support a doctrine God never intended ...
From Thayer's (1889 edition):
5. the inhabitants of the world: θέατρον ἐγενήθημεν τῷ κόσμῳ καί ἀγγέλοις καί ἀνθρώποις
1 Co. iv. 9 [W. 127 (121)]; particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race (first so in Sap. (e. g. x. 1)): Mt. xiii. 38 ; xviii. 7 ; Mk. xiv. 9; Jn. i. 10, 29, [36 L in br.]; iii. 16 sq.; vi. 33, 51; viii. 26; xii. 47; xiii. 1; xiv. 31; xvi. 28; xvii. 6, 21, 23; Ro. iii. 6, 19; 1 Co. i. 27 sq. [cf. W. 189 (178)]; iv. 13; v. 10; xiv. 10; 2 Co. v. 19; Jas. ii. 5 [cf. W. u. s.]; 1 Jn. ii. 2 [cf. W. 577 (536)];
All of the verses in your post #170 appear under definition #5. Even John 3:17 is buried further down under #5.
Gee ... I wonder who got ahold of Thayer's and made those changes so it would appear to support a doctrine God never intended ...
I have already shown you that the 1889 edition of Thayer’s includes John 3:16 under definition No. 5 (the inhabitants of the world; particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race):
From Thayer's (1889 edition):
5. the inhabitants of the world: θέατρον ἐγενήθημεν τῷ κόσμῳ καί ἀγγέλοις καί ἀνθρώποις
1 Co. iv. 9 [W. 127 (121)]; particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race (first so in Sap. (e. g. x. 1)): Mt. xiii. 38 ; xviii. 7 ; Mk. xiv. 9; Jn. i. 10, 29, [36 L in br.]; iii. 16 sq.; vi. 33, 51; viii. 26; xii. 47; xiii. 1; xiv. 31; xvi. 28; xvii. 6, 21, 23; Ro. iii. 6, 19; 1 Co. i. 27 sq. [cf. W. 189 (178)]; iv. 13; v. 10; xiv. 10; 2 Co. v. 19; Jas. ii. 5 [cf. W. u. s.]; 1 Jn. ii. 2 [cf. W. 577 (536)];
All of the verses in your post #170 appear under definition #5. Even John 3:17 is buried further down under #5.
Gee ... I wonder who got ahold of Thayer's and made those changes so it would appear to support a doctrine God never intended ...
From Thayer's (1889 edition):
5. the inhabitants of the world: θέατρον ἐγενήθημεν τῷ κόσμῳ καί ἀγγέλοις καί ἀνθρώποις
1 Co. iv. 9 [W. 127 (121)]; particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race (first so in Sap. (e. g. x. 1)): Mt. xiii. 38 ; xviii. 7 ; Mk. xiv. 9; Jn. i. 10, 29, [36 L in br.]; iii. 16 sq.; vi. 33, 51; viii. 26; xii. 47; xiii. 1; xiv. 31; xvi. 28; xvii. 6, 21, 23; Ro. iii. 6, 19; 1 Co. i. 27 sq. [cf. W. 189 (178)]; iv. 13; v. 10; xiv. 10; 2 Co. v. 19; Jas. ii. 5 [cf. W. u. s.]; 1 Jn. ii. 2 [cf. W. 577 (536)];
All of the verses in your post #170 appear under definition #5. Even John 3:17 is buried further down under #5.
Gee ... I wonder who got ahold of Thayer's and made those changes so it would appear to support a doctrine God never intended ...
I have already shown you that the 1889 edition of Thayer’s includes John 3:16 under definition No. 5 (the inhabitants of the world; particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race):
From Thayer's (1889 edition):
5. the inhabitants of the world: θέατρον ἐγενήθημεν τῷ κόσμῳ καί ἀγγέλοις καί ἀνθρώποις
1 Co. iv. 9 [W. 127 (121)]; particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race (first so in Sap. (e. g. x. 1)): Mt. xiii. 38 ; xviii. 7 ; Mk. xiv. 9; Jn. i. 10, 29, [36 L in br.]; iii. 16 sq.; vi. 33, 51; viii. 26; xii. 47; xiii. 1; xiv. 31; xvi. 28; xvii. 6, 21, 23; Ro. iii. 6, 19; 1 Co. i. 27 sq. [cf. W. 189 (178)]; iv. 13; v. 10; xiv. 10; 2 Co. v. 19; Jas. ii. 5 [cf. W. u. s.]; 1 Jn. ii. 2 [cf. W. 577 (536)];
All of the verses in your post #170 appear under definition #5. Even John 3:17 is buried further down under #5.
Gee ... I wonder who got ahold of Thayer's and made those changes so it would appear to support a doctrine God never intended ...
From Thayer's (1889 edition):
5. the inhabitants of the world: θέατρον ἐγενήθημεν τῷ κόσμῳ καί ἀγγέλοις καί ἀνθρώποις
1 Co. iv. 9 [W. 127 (121)]; particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race (first so in Sap. (e. g. x. 1)): Mt. xiii. 38 ; xviii. 7 ; Mk. xiv. 9; Jn. i. 10, 29, [36 L in br.]; iii. 16 sq.; vi. 33, 51; viii. 26; xii. 47; xiii. 1; xiv. 31; xvi. 28; xvii. 6, 21, 23; Ro. iii. 6, 19; 1 Co. i. 27 sq. [cf. W. 189 (178)]; iv. 13; v. 10; xiv. 10; 2 Co. v. 19; Jas. ii. 5 [cf. W. u. s.]; 1 Jn. ii. 2 [cf. W. 577 (536)];
All of the verses in your post #170 appear under definition #5. Even John 3:17 is buried further down under #5.
Gee ... I wonder who got ahold of Thayer's and made those changes so it would appear to support a doctrine God never intended ...
Consider Dan 4:35, And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth "ACCORDING TO HIS WILL" in the army of heaven and among the inhabitants of earth; and "NONE" can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou? If it had been God's will to save all mankind, and he accomplishes his will, then all mankind would be saved!
God rules over the kingdoms of the earth and those who rule are not given power without God's oversight. Nebuchadnezzer is not addressing the issue of salvation in Dan 4:35.
You misconstrue the meaning of Dan 4:35 when you associate the verse with salvation.
Daniel 4:25 That they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and they shall wet thee with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee, till thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.
Can you please answer why it does not bother you that Thayer's has been manipulated to support a rendering never intended by Thayer or God?
Your continued and obstinate ignoring of this issue will not make it go away. You have been made aware that there has been alteration and you continue to quote the later version without acknowledging and/or disclosing that the later version has been modified to support a certain doctrine.
You misconstrue the meaning of Dan 4:35 when you associate the verse with salvation.
Daniel 4:25 That they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and they shall wet thee with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee, till thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.
Can you please answer why it does not bother you that Thayer's has been manipulated to support a rendering never intended by Thayer or God?
Your continued and obstinate ignoring of this issue will not make it go away. You have been made aware that there has been alteration and you continue to quote the later version without acknowledging and/or disclosing that the later version has been modified to support a certain doctrine.