If homosexuality is a sin, then why didn't Jesus say anything about it?

[Sagart]

Jesus addressed many issues and many sins and, yet, he never said a thing about this topic.

In the four gospels, Jesus preached and taught only on those issues that the Jews of His day were confused or conflicted about. They were not confused or conflicted about the issue of homosexual acts. Indeed, they vehemently denied that homosexual acts were committed among themselves, and referred to the sin of homosexuality as “the sin of the Gentiles.” Jesus, being a Jew, would have shared the disdain for the sin of homosexuality that was held by His fellow Jews—unless His Father instructed Him otherwise (which He obviously did not do!) Therefore, Jesus had no reason whatsoever to address the subject.

 

[Hungry]

The brain does change according to one's behaviour.
Behaviour patterns affect the structure of the brain.
So differences in the hippocampus and amygdala would need to be present at birth. This then causes problems for those who claim to be bi sexual. I would not believe everything you read when it comes to neuroscience, honest research conducted by honest researchers is a rarity.

So true, time after time research has been conducted in a way to purposely construct the outcome. However, stress is a major factor contributing to brain development. Cortisol (stress hormone) has been accused of retarding brain growth. In the end it all comes down to psychology. We all possess different urges at varying degrees. Although physiology can distort our cravings and demeanour, be it sexual or temperament, it is the environment from birth that programs the software and ultimately determines how we think, act, or act out those desires. Most of us fall within the favourable range of behaviour but with the internet, video games and omition of God in society we will see that standard change. Not only has sexuality been compromised but level of violence being propagated will inevitably form a generation void of conscience.

 

[Dan_473]

Jesus addressed many issues and many sins and, yet, he never said a thing about this topic.

I think this is part of a larger question of which laws are you going to keep.

Does Christianity have a set of rules that are the same throughout all time and in every place? if so how will a person decide what the rules are? Any rule listed anywhere in the Bible? Just the New Testament?

I think this is really the issue that is debated in so many places on the bible discussion forum. it's the basis of Sabbath keeping, Hebrew roots. Which rules?

 

[Blanche]

Yep.

I think this is part of a larger question of which laws are you going to keep.

Does Christianity have a set of rules that are the same throughout all time and in every place? if so how will a person decide what the rules are? Any rule listed anywhere in the Bible? Just the New Testament?

I think this is really the issue that is debated in so many places on the bible discussion forum. it's the basis of Sabbath keeping, Hebrew roots. Which rules?

true.

 

[PennEd]

So glad you know Gods mind!

Maybe the 3rd time is a charm.
The premise of this whole thread is that Jesus never spoke a word about homosexuality and therefore, in your mind, that because you believe they were born with the desire to have sex with their own sex, and have no choice but to act on that desire and engage in vile and shameful sexual acts, we, as Christians, should accept that it is ok. After all Jesus didn't speak against it.

Others have competently explained how flawed this reasoning is, but you have beat that same drum that Jesus Himself didn't speak against it.

So I have twice before definitively shown you that Jesus didn't even entertain the POSSIBILITY for homosexual acts to be anything other than sin.
Of course homosexuals need to be shown love and told the Gospel. That is DIFFERENT than accepting the vile and shameful sexual acts they commit.

So here it is again. Maybe you could address this Scripture, that you haven't addressed the 2 previous times. I , and I think just about everyone here, would be ecstatic if you would honestly re-examine your position on this issue:


Jesus TWICE quotes Moses from Genesis: Matthew 19:
4 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who[a]made them at the beginning ‘made them MALE and FEMALE,’ 5 and said,‘For this reason a MAN shall leave his FATHER and MOTHER and be joined to his WIFE, and the two shall become ONE FLESH’? 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”


Jesus does not even allow for the POSSIBILITY of homosexuality.

ANY sexual relationship outside of marriage between ONE woman and ONE man is sin.

That should answer the OPs question. Somehow I don't think it will. We'll see.

 

[UnderGrace]

PennEd said,

Maybe the 3rd time is a charm.

We can always hope!

 

[Blanche]

Maybe the 3rd time is a charm.
The premise of this whole thread is that Jesus never spoke a word about homosexuality and therefore, in your mind, that because you believe they were born with the desire to have sex with their own sex, and have no choice but to act on that desire and engage in vile and shameful sexual acts, we, as Christians, should accept that it is ok. After all Jesus didn't speak against it.

1. The truth is that Jesus did not specifically address the issue though others did, in the Bible.
2. I never said it is NOT a sin. I said that it is a sin we seem to think is one of the worst out there. I think murder and rape are far worse. jmho.
3. I never said they are "born that way" because I know that Science does not know why ... yet. It is all theory at this point.
4. They DO have a choice. They can choose to be celibate.
5. I don't think it is right to call them awful names or to attribute certain criminal acts to them that, in fact, are proven to be untrue.

If you look at all my posts (and I know that would be too time-consuming) you will see that I have, in fact said these things. I just wonder why this sin is worse than all other sins, IF one believes all sin is the same.
Thank you for taking the time to explain it to me. I appreciate your reply.

 

[Embankment]

1. The truth is that Jesus did not specifically address the issue though others did, in the Bible.
2. I never said it is NOT a sin. I said that it is a sin we seem to think is one of the worst out there. I think murder and rape are far worse. jmho.
3. I never said they are "born that way" because I know that Science does not know why ... yet. It is all theory at this point.
4. They DO have a choice. They can choose to be celibate.
5. I don't think it is right to call them awful names or to attribute certain criminal acts to them that, in fact, are proven to be untrue.

If you look at all my posts (and I know that would be too time-consuming) you will see that I have, in fact said these things. I just wonder why this sin is worse than all other sins, IF one believes all sin is the same.
Thank you for taking the time to explain it to me. I appreciate your reply.

Sins are not ranked bad to not so bad. Sin is sin in Gods eyes. Anger is as bad as murder , lust is as bad as adultery and so on.
Any act outside of love for you fellow man is a sin.
Homosexuality is a sin.

Of course labeling homosexuality as some special sin is also flawed.
Someone who constantly points their finger at a homosexual’s sin yet acts as if they do not have sins equally bad is also flawed.

With out Jesus’ saving grace we would all be equally DEAD.
There are no exceptions.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I just wonder why this sin is worse than all other sins

It's not. No one here has ever said that it is, as far as I am aware. You're the one who keeps making a big issue out of it. That is what the left does. They mischaracterize an issue that they want to normalize, and then make a big issue out of it like some great injustice is being done in order to effectuate change.

 

[Embankment]

It's not. No one here has ever said that it is, as far as I am aware. You're the one who keeps making a big issue out of it. That is what the left does. They mischaracterize an issue that they want to normalize, and then make a big issue out of it like some great injustice is being done in order to effectuate change.

That is our political process here in America.
This country is composed of people of all faiths and religions and people with no religion.
All those people are to have equal rights under our constitution and I do not believe that impedes on my spiritual beliefs.

 

[Blanche]

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[Slayer]

Sins are not ranked bad to not so bad. Sin is sin in Gods eyes. Anger is as bad as murder , lust is as bad as adultery and so on.
Any act outside of love for you fellow man is a sin.
Homosexuality is a sin.

Of course labeling homosexuality as some special sin is also flawed.
Someone who constantly points their finger at a homosexual’s sin yet acts as if they do not have sins equally bad is also flawed.

With out Jesus’ saving grace we would all be equally DEAD.
There are no exceptions.

I believe sins are ranked, in order of how grievous they are.

We know that those who committed worse sins during their life than others are punished more severely in hell than those who have sinned less. I heard that in a sermon quite a long time ago, so I don't remember all of the Bible verses which support this view.

We also know that God destroyed the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, with fire and brimstone. As far as we can tell the main reason for destroying them was the sin of Sodomy or Homosexual sex.

Jesus said, the world would become like Sodom and Gomorrah when He returns. We are seeing the world doing exactly that in our time, so Christ could come back at any moment.

 

[Embankment]

I believe sins are ranked, in order of how grievous they are.

We know that those who committed worse sins during their life than others are punished more severely in hell than those who have sinned less. I heard that in a sermon quite a long time ago, so I don't remember all of the Bible verses which support this view.

We also know that God destroyed the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, with fire and brimstone. As far as we can tell the main reason for destroying them was the sin of Sodomy or Homosexual sex.

Jesus said, the world would become like Sodom and Gomorrah when He returns. We are seeing the world doing exactly that in our time, so Christ could come back at any moment.

We live on this side of the cross so how God dealt with folks back then is not relevant now. We have Jesus who paid the price for our sins. There are no verses that rank sins that is why you can’t find them.

 

[UnderGrace]

That is our political process here in America.
This country is composed of people of all faiths and religions and people with no religion.
All those people are to have equal rights under our constitution and I do not believe that impedes on my spiritual beliefs.

The concept of "Equal Rights" has been far stretched beyond its original intention.
In Canada we are much further along this process, it is actually more about certain vocal small groups lobbying for and receiving additional Rights at the expense of the Rights of the majority.
Give it time and you will see.

 

[Slayer]

We live on this side of the cross so how God dealt with folks back then is not relevant now. We have Jesus who paid the price for our sins. There are no verses that rank sins that is why you can’t find them.

I don't think that living on this side of the cross has made any difference to the unbeliever, they reject Christ so the cross means nothing to them. I believe they will be judged according to the old law, so I believe that those who committed worse sins than others will suffer greater punishment.

Even the believers will be judged but we won't be cast into hell. We will all be allocated different positions in the Kingdom of God, those who done little for God will receive a small reward and those who done great things will receive a great reward.

So everyone will receive a different reward and have a different ranking in heaven, depending on how we lived the life God gave us and how we used our gifts to glorify God.

 

[Embankment]

I don't think that living on this side of the cross has made any difference to the unbeliever, they reject Christ so the cross means nothing to them. I believe they will be judged according to the old law, so I believe that those who committed worse sins than others will suffer greater punishment.

Even the believers will be judged but we won't be cast into hell. We will all be allocated different positions in the Kingdom of God, those who done little for God will receive a small reward and those who done great things will receive a great reward.

So everyone will receive a different reward and have a different ranking in heaven, depending on how we lived the life God gave us and how we used our gifts to glorify God.

That philosophy is not biblically supported but if it works for you...

 

[Slayer]

That philosophy is not biblically supported but if it works for you...

I haven't studied the subject at length but I did hear a sermon on the topic and the speaker described different levels of punishment in hell and different levels of reward in heaven. He used many scriptures to support his teaching so it was Biblically correct.

But then we know that there are many different ways to understand the Bible, so we have ended up with so many denominations all claiming to posses the truth. All I can say, is let every man be a liar and let God be true.

I will try to find that sermon and list those scriptures here, I'm sure the sermon was Biblically correct.

 

[Embankment]

I haven't studied the subject at length but I did hear a sermon on the topic and the speaker described different levels of punishment in hell and different levels of reward in heaven. He used many scriptures to support his teaching so it was Biblically correct.

But then we know that there are many different ways to understand the Bible, so we have ended up with so many denominations all claiming to posses the truth. All I can say, is let every man be a liar and let God be true.

I will try to find that sermon and list those scriptures here, I'm sure the sermon was Biblically correct.

I think I would listen to someone else or better yet spend the next few weeks reading the Bible for myself.

 

[blueluna5]

Because Jesus said, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Many Christians focus on homosexuality as a sin verses lying, getting angry with another, etc. because....
1. It's a very visible sin. Not easy to hide like many others.
2. Same sex attraction is not a temptation everyone deals with so it's easy to point the finger at another.

 

[Slayer]

I think I would listen to someone else or better yet spend the next few weeks reading the Bible for myself.

What about Matthew 25:14-30 the parable of the talents . Where Jesus told the believers that they would all be rewarded differently according to their deeds, when they get to heaven.

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things DONE IN THE BODY, according to what He has done, whether good or bad.” (2 Corinthians 5:10)

“… and each one will receive His own reward ACCORDING TO HIS OWN LABOR.” (1 Corinthians 3:8)

“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to everyone ACCORDING TO HIS WORK.” (Revelation 22:12)

“… I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you ACCORDING TO YOUR WORKS.” (Revelation 2:23) So Jesus answered them and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brother or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or land, for My sake and the gospel’s, who shall not receive a HUNDREDFOLD now in this time … and in the age to come, eternal life.” (Mark 10:29-30)

Now remember not to jump to conclusions, without having the facts and humbly accept correction from your younger brother

The same rule of thumb applies to those going to hell, they will all receive Taylor made punishment as well. God is very fair, He never gives anyone more or less than they deserve.