If homosexuality is a sin, then why didn't Jesus say anything about it?
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You ignore what Jesus said.
Matthew 5:17 and 18 AMPC
17 Do not think that I have come to do away with or undo the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to do away with or undo but to complete and fulfill them.
18 For truly I tell you, until the sky and earth pass away and perish, not one smallest letter nor one little hook [identifying certain Hebrew letters] will pass from the Law until all things [it foreshadows] are accomplished.
Matthew 5:17 and 18 AMPC
17 Do not think that I have come to do away with or undo the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to do away with or undo but to complete and fulfill them.
18 For truly I tell you, until the sky and earth pass away and perish, not one smallest letter nor one little hook [identifying certain Hebrew letters] will pass from the Law until all things [it foreshadows] are accomplished.
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When you say that it isn't the biggest sin on the list you are wrong. Sin is sin. There isn't a grading system that says one sin is worse than another. His word tells us that it is an abomination. Those are the words of the Lord God. It is a choice they choose. I didn't read here at all in the comments of anyone damning them to hell. I don't believe anyone here thought that either. Pray for the people you know who are homosexuals. Pray their eyes be opened. God bless you.
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well, of course every interpretation of every passage of scripture is something we can be judged for, to whatever extent God judges us for interpreting scripture.
Given that there is some degree of ambiguity in all human language, I assume that God will be lenient when judging us.
and of course the Holy Spirit guides us into all truth.
I don't know that the only two possibilities are lesbianism and bestiality. we tend to assume in our modern Western Christian thinking that any possible sexual activity between a married man and woman are okay. But I'm not sure that the Bible teaches that.
But just for the sake of discussion, going with the idea that Paul is talking about beastiality, then Romans 1 wouldn't be talking about female homosexuality.
Given that there is some degree of ambiguity in all human language, I assume that God will be lenient when judging us.
and of course the Holy Spirit guides us into all truth.
I don't know that the only two possibilities are lesbianism and bestiality. we tend to assume in our modern Western Christian thinking that any possible sexual activity between a married man and woman are okay. But I'm not sure that the Bible teaches that.
But just for the sake of discussion, going with the idea that Paul is talking about beastiality, then Romans 1 wouldn't be talking about female homosexuality.
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Blanch, I'm not going to defend or accuse anyone or anything. I just wanted to encourage you. if you want a discussion on a subject you probably wont find it here. I don't want you to go away angry and upset. this forum has really got some good people. I learned the hard way. I simply posted a inspirational quote from something I had read and I got attacked, seriously. so don't take it personal. I think they should change it to bible debate instead of bible discussion.. I tend to stay away but I just thought today I would browse and see whats up and I ran across your post. I stick to the new member, the family, the prayer request and the miscellaneous forums. Nothing but love, yours in Christ. Mike
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I do not agree everyone struggles with some kind of addiction. There are people who desire the sin more than hating it in their life.
The Bible says there is pleasure in sin but for a season. Christians do not wake up with an addiction, they have been disobedient and have engaged in doing the same sin over and over that it has a strong hold on them. Gal 5 talks about
"Being entangled with the yoke of bondage. " this can too apply . Anger is an emotion that can be right or wrong that is not nessarliy an addiction . beating your wife and kids is an addiction? That is a concept of misplaced blame. In Luke 4 : 18 Jesus came to set us free , not to live with an addiction. We need to bring our heart to the Lord and give it to HIM and ask HIM to set us free from what ever is a strong hold in our life. HE will do it.
Also I must point out the false concept you made respectfully:
But if we go to someone who is homosexual and say you're sinning or whatever they're not going to care anyways. Even worse we might actually be pulling them away from God.
That is not true . If they are as you say homosexual they are already as far as they can be from God. Telling the truth in love is LOVE. Drunkers, liers, sexually perverse living etc... will NOT ENTER IN TO THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
So if a person think that they have to live the whole life in sexual sin, drunkerness , etc... that is a lie from the pit of Hell and Unbiblical . Jesus can set them free, everyday homosexuls and drunkers, adulters, drug addicts etc.. are set free by the Power of God Through the Lord Jesus Christ.
The only reason why it has not happen in a person life is:
1. The love the sin more than hating it
2. They have not sought God and surrender that area of their Heart to the Lord.
3. They are not saved
4. They have not separated from the influences of the sin.
5. They do not know the word of God and do not have faith in it.
The Bible says there is pleasure in sin but for a season. Christians do not wake up with an addiction, they have been disobedient and have engaged in doing the same sin over and over that it has a strong hold on them. Gal 5 talks about
"Being entangled with the yoke of bondage. " this can too apply . Anger is an emotion that can be right or wrong that is not nessarliy an addiction . beating your wife and kids is an addiction? That is a concept of misplaced blame. In Luke 4 : 18 Jesus came to set us free , not to live with an addiction. We need to bring our heart to the Lord and give it to HIM and ask HIM to set us free from what ever is a strong hold in our life. HE will do it.
Also I must point out the false concept you made respectfully:
But if we go to someone who is homosexual and say you're sinning or whatever they're not going to care anyways. Even worse we might actually be pulling them away from God.
That is not true . If they are as you say homosexual they are already as far as they can be from God. Telling the truth in love is LOVE. Drunkers, liers, sexually perverse living etc... will NOT ENTER IN TO THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
So if a person think that they have to live the whole life in sexual sin, drunkerness , etc... that is a lie from the pit of Hell and Unbiblical . Jesus can set them free, everyday homosexuls and drunkers, adulters, drug addicts etc.. are set free by the Power of God Through the Lord Jesus Christ.
The only reason why it has not happen in a person life is:
1. The love the sin more than hating it
2. They have not sought God and surrender that area of their Heart to the Lord.
3. They are not saved
4. They have not separated from the influences of the sin.
5. They do not know the word of God and do not have faith in it.
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it is not a sin to notices awomen who is attractive . That is what we are created to see. it is only sin when you lust or have sexual desires of the women you see and be a willful partispant to the temptation. We make God unreasonable , this is what Eve didf when she spoke to the Serpant . it was not a sin to touch it, or even look at the tree. it was a sin to eat of it.
it is not a sin to be tempted Jesus was tempted HE did not sin. it is not a sin to admire a beautiful women. If that was the case God would not have made her that way.
I see women all the time and very attractive too. Wow look at her Ok, no what next? that is the differnce . How do I view women in the church ? Who are attractive? a wife, and sister , and mother and daughter, or from a lust induced context? The latter is a choice you have to willfully enage in the perversion which is sin.
it is not a sin to be tempted Jesus was tempted HE did not sin. it is not a sin to admire a beautiful women. If that was the case God would not have made her that way.
I see women all the time and very attractive too. Wow look at her Ok, no what next? that is the differnce . How do I view women in the church ? Who are attractive? a wife, and sister , and mother and daughter, or from a lust induced context? The latter is a choice you have to willfully enage in the perversion which is sin.
Thank you, Mike for your kind words. I think you are right. And this was the wrong issue to bring up. I only brought it up because it seems to be a sin like no other ... so much worse ... and the people who commit it, are attacked pretty badly in our society. I personally know of a man that was beaten almost to death. That got me thinking and asking why? Why can't we treat them like any other sinner. I am sure I am a sinner, though I try not to, but my sins are not "visible" so unless I tell you, you dont know it. I hope this makes sense. Just got off a long shift and am very tired. Yeah, the Bible debate should be bible discussion.
Yeah, I have seen some really thoughtful and loving posts here, so Im hoping. Thanks again so much. I feel better now.
Yeah, I have seen some really thoughtful and loving posts here, so Im hoping. Thanks again so much. I feel better now.
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Hello Dan_473,
I tell you that, if you attempt to keep the works of the law, it will keep you out of the kingdom of heaven. We are saved by trusting in Christ as the One who provided salvation for us, completely and fully and not by anything that we could do, nor is there anything that need to be added.
The "works" that God wants us to keep is not referring to the Levitical laws, for no one will be saved by observing the law. Here are the works that God desires:
"Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.' "
"Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us."
Also, while it is true that Jesus and the Father are one God, they are also individual personalities of that one God. A good example of this would be when Jesus was Baptized and came up out of the water, the Holy Spirit in the form of a dove lit upon Him and the voice of the Father out of heaven said, "this is My Son whom I love, listen to Him." In addition, in Revelation we have the Father sitting on the throne and the Lamb/Jesus coming and taking the scroll out of the Father's right hand. These demonstrate the individual persons which make up God.
But going back to the Levitical Law, if you attempt to keep those things, then you have to keep all of them perfectly every day for the rest of your life. However, you have already failed at that, which means that when you broke even one part of the Law, you are guilty of breaking the whole thing.
Jesus, as a human being, kept the Law perfectly and did so on every believers behalf. He also paid the penalty for sin, not for His own, but for ours. He also took upon Himself God's wrath that we deserve, which is why believers are not appointed to suffer God's coming wrath. Therefore, when a person receives Christ they are credited with Christ's righteousness, His fulfillment of the Law and satisfied God's wrath in every believers place. We are like Christ's running around which God sees as perfect because of our faith in Christ.
No believer will enter into the kingdom of God by keeping the Sabbath, abstaining from foods, trying to keep the ten commandments, etc., etc.
I tell you that, if you attempt to keep the works of the law, it will keep you out of the kingdom of heaven. We are saved by trusting in Christ as the One who provided salvation for us, completely and fully and not by anything that we could do, nor is there anything that need to be added.
The "works" that God wants us to keep is not referring to the Levitical laws, for no one will be saved by observing the law. Here are the works that God desires:
"Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.' "
"Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us."
Also, while it is true that Jesus and the Father are one God, they are also individual personalities of that one God. A good example of this would be when Jesus was Baptized and came up out of the water, the Holy Spirit in the form of a dove lit upon Him and the voice of the Father out of heaven said, "this is My Son whom I love, listen to Him." In addition, in Revelation we have the Father sitting on the throne and the Lamb/Jesus coming and taking the scroll out of the Father's right hand. These demonstrate the individual persons which make up God.
But going back to the Levitical Law, if you attempt to keep those things, then you have to keep all of them perfectly every day for the rest of your life. However, you have already failed at that, which means that when you broke even one part of the Law, you are guilty of breaking the whole thing.
Jesus, as a human being, kept the Law perfectly and did so on every believers behalf. He also paid the penalty for sin, not for His own, but for ours. He also took upon Himself God's wrath that we deserve, which is why believers are not appointed to suffer God's coming wrath. Therefore, when a person receives Christ they are credited with Christ's righteousness, His fulfillment of the Law and satisfied God's wrath in every believers place. We are like Christ's running around which God sees as perfect because of our faith in Christ.
No believer will enter into the kingdom of God by keeping the Sabbath, abstaining from foods, trying to keep the ten commandments, etc., etc.
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We both spelled it wrong. 
Theybies, not Thebies. Imagine when the infants treated as such by unfit parents enter the world.
How will they respond when they're addressed by gender pronouns ? Or, will the world have fallen so far that that isn't happening anymore because those that came before filed lawsuits to make it stop?
We're so much worse than Sodom and Gomorrah was in its day. And in all avenues of its fallenness. Hey, if they can come up with Theybies, "Fallenness" is valid too.
Makes me wonder what's coming when Sodom and Gomorrah warranted God's wrath even then and now our world is so much worse now.
Theybies, not Thebies. Imagine when the infants treated as such by unfit parents enter the world. How will they respond when they're addressed by gender pronouns ? Or, will the world have fallen so far that that isn't happening anymore because those that came before filed lawsuits to make it stop?
We're so much worse than Sodom and Gomorrah was in its day. And in all avenues of its fallenness. Hey, if they can come up with Theybies, "Fallenness" is valid too.
Makes me wonder what's coming when Sodom and Gomorrah warranted God's wrath even then and now our world is so much worse now.