Did other people inhabit the earth before we did?

[MessageOfTheCross]

Could Jeremiah 4:23-26 be speaking of a pre-Adamic civilization was here on earth of men only before Adam and Eve...and the earth became without form after the rebellion of Lucifer and one-third of the angels?

Some scholars believe Jeremiah 4:23-26 is speaking of a pre-Adamic civilization was here on earth of men (some scholars say Angels) only before Adam and Eve...and the earth became without form after the rebellion of Lucifer and one-third of the angels? Some scholars believe this pre-Adamic civilization became demon spirits after joining with Satan.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

What is the meaning of these scriptures?

Jeremiah 4:23-26 King James Version (KJV)

23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.

25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger.

The SDA teach Jeremiah 4:23-26 is during the millennium. Satan will be confined to this desolate earth with no one to tempt. The SDA teach at Jesus second coming the righteous and the wicked will be separated from each other "as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats." The Saints will remain in heaven until the end of the 1000 years. While the wicked (the goats) remain dead until after the 1000 years.

 

[Blik]

No. In genesis 1, it tells us that God created the heaven and the earth. The earth wasn't already there. He created the heaven then the earth.

Scripture tells us that the earth was there, formless and empty, when God told us "in the beginning". You tell us wasn't there, who should we believe You or God?

And what I am quoting is a poor translation of the Hebrew.

 

[Hungry]

Who were the sons of God. Angels. Why did God destroy mankind with a flood?

Elohim means gods. The verse says sons of the gods. Angels means messengers. It’s telling of extraterrestrial beings making hybrids alright. I’m just saying it doesn’t mean those were the giants.

 

[Hungry]

The reason everyone disagrees is because they don’t want to believe what the Scripture says. Simply put it states in the beginning gods created men in their image, to serve them. Without conjecture and preconceptions, this is what it states. Then the sons of the gods, not angels, liked the looks of the women and produced offspring with them. If we were made in their image, they thought the women were sexy enough to upset Jehovah, then there is obviously something more to Genesis than is widely accepted. It is what is taught by men that causes confusion.

 

[pjharrison]

If you study carefully the sons of God were descendants of Seth, a godly man who was a messenger for God. Many jump to a wrong conclusion on this scripture just as they do others. Daughters of men were descendants of Cain. this is why the scripture is replete with warnings for believers not to marry unbelievers, which in this case led to the destruction of the flood. We can see where it is leading today.

No in that case God would of had to destroy it way before now again. God was also disappointed in the animals also. He repented that he had made them. He had to destroy them, because they were not the creation that he made.

 

[pjharrison]

Elohim means gods. The verse says sons of the gods. Angels means messengers. It’s telling of extraterrestrial beings making hybrids alright. I’m just saying it doesn’t mean those were the giants.

Numbers 13:33 33We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.
The giants were really tall compared to regular people.

 

[jaybird88]

If you study carefully the sons of God were descendants of Seth, a godly man who was a messenger for God. Many jump to a wrong conclusion on this scripture just as they do others. Daughters of men were descendants of Cain. this is why the scripture is replete with warnings for believers not to marry unbelievers, which in this case led to the destruction of the flood. We can see where it is leading today.

there are many non believers and evil people out there today, i dont see them giving birth to giants.
the biggest problem i have with the sethite theory is the fact it didnt exist until 400 years after Jesus.

 

[preacher4truth]

Totally agree with your conclusion. God originally made creation "perfect". That is scripture. Peter spoke of a time "in ages past". That's scripture too.

Am just at the beginning of this thread. Pleased to make your acquaintance. Or I don't think we have corresponded. If so please forgive.

I love the revelation of understanding that Adam and Eve was the ancestry of the beginning seed of the woman who would come to destroy all the works of the devil. And it makes more sense to the fact that Jesus was crucified before the foundations of the earth. All through time innocent blood speaks. The Messiah.

The seed of the woman? Is not the church the woman? Think about it.

The above is the epitome of not having nor holding to the practice of 2 Timothy 2:15 and of not holding to sound doctrine, 2 Timothy 4.

 

[rlm68]

Totally agree with your conclusion. God originally made creation "perfect". That is scripture. Peter spoke of a time "in ages past". That's scripture too.

Am just at the beginning of this thread. Pleased to make your acquaintance. Or I don't think we have corresponded. If so please forgive.

I love the revelation of understanding that Adam and Eve was the ancestry of the beginning seed of the woman who would come to destroy all the works of the devil. And it makes more sense to the fact that Jesus was crucified before the foundations of the earth. All through time innocent blood speaks. The Messiah.

The seed of the woman? Is not the church the woman? Think about it.

It is indeed a pleasure to make your acquaintance!! And it seems as time grows closer to Christ returning, we are given the ability from God to finally have our eyes opened to many details we had once assumed incorrectly. But, Christ predicted this in Matthew 24 and scripture has come alive in many ways as we earnestly study God's Holy Word.

And to reiterate my outlook and view upon this particular topic, it does go against today's preaching. But fortunately for myself, my Grandfather and Father (evangelists and pastors respectfully) + my Grandfather taught biblical theology and scripture knowledge in the states of Oklahoma - Texas - Florida - Indiana and with G.T. Haywood [who wrote the great gospel song "I See a Crimson Stream of Blood: and it Flows from Calvary"] created the Assemblies of the Lord Jesus Christ (early 1920's - 30's) which today is over millions strong) {b]both viewed this how I am posting it[/b].

So, I feel confident in what I have claimed in this thread because Jeremiah confirms it 100%



To your seed view:
If we are the BRIDE of Christ, Christ definitely needs a wife in order to be a husband!!
I absolutely agree with your assessment!!

 

[rlm68]

And who is the adversary?

According to the English translation, it would be Satan. But thankfully, we have the correct name we know what the Hebrews called him, the Adversary.

They did not give him a NAME because God cursed him and kicked him out of heaven and erased him from being a part of God. And since we know God actually removed his name from him, we would be going against God by creating the name, Satan, for him!!

 

[rlm68]

It means first he created the heavens and then the earth. Then he created the animals and man. Nothing in between.

That is not how Jeremiah claims it!!

And Jeremiah obviously was a great prophet of Yahweh!!

 

[rlm68]

The above is the epitome of not having nor holding to the practice of 2 Timothy 2:15 and of not holding to sound doctrine, 2 Timothy 4.

And yet, you are clearly IGNORING the prophet Jeremiah!!

Typical preacher, do as I say and not as I do!!

 

[rlm68]

What is the meaning of these scriptures?

Jeremiah 4:23-26 King James Version (KJV)

23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.

25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger.

The SDA teach Jeremiah 4:23-26 is during the millennium. Satan will be confined to this desolate earth with no one to tempt. The SDA teach at Jesus second coming the righteous and the wicked will be separated from each other "as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats." The Saints will remain in heaven until the end of the 1000 years. While the wicked (the goats) remain dead until after the 1000 years.

I disagree on basis this earth won't be just destroyed by fire, but it will no longer exist. We will be in New Jerusalem and a new earth. Jeremiah is clear about the earth mentioned going to be restored. That is definitely the past, not the future since we are getting a new earth!!

 

[UnderGrace]

It is indeed a pleasure to make your acquaintance!! And it seems as time grows closer to Christ returning, we are given the ability from God to finally have our eyes opened to many details we had once assumed incorrectly. But, Christ predicted this in Matthew 24 and scripture has come alive in many ways as we earnestly study God's Holy Word.

And to reiterate my outlook and view upon this particular topic, it does go against today's preaching. But fortunately for myself, my Grandfather and Father (evangelists and pastors respectfully) + my Grandfather taught biblical theology and scripture knowledge in the states of Oklahoma - Texas - Florida - Indiana and with G.T. Haywood [who wrote the great gospel song "I See a Crimson Stream of Blood: and it Flows from Calvary"] created the Assemblies of the Lord Jesus Christ (early 1920's - 30's) which today is over millions strong) {b]both viewed this how I am posting it[/b].

So, I feel confident in what I have claimed in this thread because Jeremiah confirms it 100%



To your seed view:
If we are the BRIDE of Christ, Christ definitely needs a wife in order to be a husband!!
I absolutely agree with your assessment!!

I am having some trouble understanding this theory.

Are you saying that Adam was not the first created man, but Adam and Eve were the ones who ate from the Tree and therefore caused the fall and other people were also in existence at that time?

Are you espousing the gap theory? I am confused

This does resemble something I read in the mystery schools stuff years ago.

 

[UnderGrace]

That is because you fail to understand what IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH mean:

in the Hebrew, this one verse means this is all completed. Like after verse 2 and LET THERE BE LIGHT till God rested means a SECOND or recreation of the FIRST VERSE.

In the Hebrew, it shows God created the earth in verse 1 [between verse 1 and 2 destroyed the earth] and verse 2 beyond restored or recreated it again!!

Jeremiah 4 explains this and there was cities and life including humans all representing verse 1 [IN THE BEGINNING]!!

Science is discovering that were are all descendant from one female "Mitochondrial Eve" and male "Y chromosome Adam" so it would seem your theory has a problem if God created other humans before Adam and Eve?

 

[prove-all]

It all depends what age one believes the earth is!

The "age of the earth" has nothing to do with the "age of man"

 

[pjharrison]

That is not how Jeremiah claims it!!

And Jeremiah obviously was a great prophet of Yahweh!!

How did he claim it, our understandind of the scripture is differant

 

[UnderGrace]

David in Psalms, Peter in his epistles, Isaiah, Jeremiah ALL speak about a people before Adam whom Satan [when he was on our side/God's side/ why he is known as Light Bringer] was mediator of between them and God [like Christ is with us].

There is a Luciferian theory. And it begins in Genesis 1:1 when it claims the heavens and the earth was finished (this means completed with life).

Of course, verse 2 we see God above the face of the deep/waters. This is to some a reference of a flood before Noah's flood. One that wiped everyone off the face of the earth [some elude this also to the ICE AGE after the waters melted].

And of course, the question always remained...if Adam was the first ever man created...HOW DID CAIN find a wife from another sect of People? In this part of Genesis story, we have Adam, Eve, Abel, and Cain. But yet, after he kills Abel, there is more people and people who had a daughter whom Cain married!!

My theory is Adam was not the first ever man created...BUT, he was the first man created in the lineage of Christ. Because the Tree of Life in the Garden is a representation of Christ, like all throughout the Bible we have representations of Christ before Christ was here. Example: The Holy of Hollies and the Ark of Covenant with the Mercy seat (EVER NOTICE THE 2 ANGELS ON TOP OF MERCY SEAT ARE PLAYED OUT DURING THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST [with 1 angel at the head of where Christ was laid and another angel at the feet with both facing one another = MERCY SEAT])...

The scriptures are fascinating!!

Okay so I reread this. Created in the lineage of Christ? Nope.

This really is Mystery School teachings, is Lilith there somewhere too?

 

[pjharrison]

How did he claim it, our understandind of the scripture is differant

Come on now Prove-All, Did you read the whole chapter or just that verse. God was talking to the people of Judah and Jerusalem. We all know that they were not here before Adam and Eve.