Did you all know that there are three heavens

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pjharrison

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Outer space, as in beyond earth's atmosphere. The sun, moon, and stars are not within earth's atmosphere.

Unless you're a flat-earth adherent, in which case the discussion belongs in a different forum. Are you?
Of course. Read this carefully and you will see that the sun, moon, and stars are inside under the firmament.
Genesis 1: 7-18
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
 
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pjharrison

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#83
the Bible refers to the devil as the god of this world

we know that Daniel's prayers were interrupted (so much we do not understand). when the angel Gabriel appeared in answer to his prayer he said:

12Then he continued, “Do not be afraid, Daniel. Since the first day that you set your mind to gain understanding and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard, and I have come in response to them. 13But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia. 14Now I have come to explain to you what will happen to your people in the future, for the vision concerns a time yet to come.”
Daniel 10


the king of Persia there seems to be a reference to perhaps an angelic being that was no longer in heaven and there was a 'spiritual battle'. we do know that in the book of Ephesians, we are told we do not wrestle against flesh and blood but against

but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. Ephesians 6:12

so these spiritual beings are not in heaven, but somewhere in between earth and God's heaven and I think the theory is that they are in earth's atmosphere...which would be the 1st heaven

that is what I've read and it makes sense to me but I do not assume or think there are actually 3 different 'heavens' in the sense of what we think of as God's abode

I could be wrong. dunno
The prince of Persia is a demon. They have there stations where they operate. They are in the second heaven. Micheal was coming through, he was intercepted. There may have been two heavens before. The sky and where God and the angelic beings dwell. When satan and the unclean spirits were kicked out, they where shut out from entering back into the dwelling of Gods angels. Satan was kicked out for deceiving Eve. And the other unclean spirits followed him.
 

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The prince of Persia is a demon. They have there stations where they operate. They are in the second heaven. Micheal was coming through, he was intercepted. There may have been two heavens before. The sky and where God and the angelic beings dwell. When satan and the unclean spirits were kicked out, they where shut out from entering back into the dwelling of Gods angels. Satan was kicked out for deceiving Eve. And the other unclean spirits followed him.
By the second heaven you mean outer space with planets, stars and galaxies, right?
So.. fallen angels have bodies now and need material devices to move in space (probably starships) and live on some planet?
 
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pjharrison

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By the second heaven you mean outers space with planets, stars and galaxies, right?
So.. fallen angels have bodies now and need material devices to move in space (probably starships) and live on some planet?
No there are no planets, we have been lied too, tricked, deceived, bamboozled.
 
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pjharrison

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#87
No there are no planets, we have been lied too, tricked, deceived, bamboozled.
There are only stars. Read this very carefully and you will see that the stars moon and sun are inside the firmament.
Genesis 1: 7-18
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
 
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Jesus said in John 14, He and God would make their home or abiding place in us. I believe that is Spiritually speaking. I believe God/Christ exist outside us at the same time as in "where two or three are gathered in His name He will be among or with them". That is two heavens. Then there is the physical or fleshly place, dare I call it heaven or haven or abiding place? Where satan dwells when he is not cast out by Christ/God.

That's my story (untill I can come up with a better one) and I am sticking to it : )
 

trofimus

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There are only stars. Read this very carefully and you will see that the stars moon and sun are inside the firmament.
Genesis 1: 7-18
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Does you mobile phone have GPS?
 
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pjharrison

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#90
Jesus said in John 14, He and God would make their home or abiding place in us. I believe that is Spiritually speaking. I believe God/Christ exist outside us at the same time as in "where two or three are gathered in His name He will be among or with them". That is two heavens. Then there is the physical or fleshly place, dare I call it heaven or haven or abiding place? Where satan dwells when he is not cast out by Christ/God.

That's my story (untill I can come up with a better one) and I am sticking to it : )
Well I do think that is what it mean by heaven on earth, that is Jesus in us. We are his body.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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The prince of Persia is a demon. They have there stations where they operate. They are in the second heaven. Micheal was coming through, he was intercepted. There may have been two heavens before. The sky and where God and the angelic beings dwell. When satan and the unclean spirits were kicked out, they where shut out from entering back into the dwelling of Gods angels. Satan was kicked out for deceiving Eve. And the other unclean spirits followed him.
I'm pretty sure I posted that? however I don't speculate and add and there is so much written about this subject that I do not agree with

I think we can be safe in saying it was more than just any demon as Ephesians indicates different levels of wickedness in 'high places'

it sounds to me like you may have read a book or two outside of the Bible explaining about spiritual 'warfare'...I am in disagreement with a good many of those books, having read a good many of those books, and find some 'methods' to be unreliable and just plain not biblical

I do not think the devil was kicked out for deceiving Eve..I mean just where is that in the Bible? :oops:


the Bible says that there was a rebellion in heaven and the devil and a third of the angels were put out by God

see, that is the kind of thing I have a problem with...let's stick to what scripture actually says

I will add that contrary to many, I do not believe that demons are the fallen angels
 
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7seasrekeyed

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#93
No there are no planets, we have been lied too, tricked, deceived, bamboozled.
a planet does not have to have life as we know it or any life in order for it to be a planet

anyway, ignoring science and what is obvious in creation is not helpful
 
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pjharrison

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I'm pretty sure I posted that? however I don't speculate and add and there is so much written about this subject that I do not agree with

I think we can be safe in saying it was more than just any demon as Ephesians indicates different levels of wickedness in 'high places'

it sounds to me like you may have read a book or two outside of the Bible explaining about spiritual 'warfare'...I am in disagreement with a good many of those books, having read a good many of those books, and find some 'methods' to be unreliable and just plain not biblical

I do not think the devil was kicked out for deceiving Eve..I mean just where is that in the Bible? :oops:


the Bible says that there was a rebellion in heaven and the devil and a third of the angels were put out by God

see, that is the kind of thing I have a problem with...let's stick to what scripture actually says

I will add that contrary to many, I do not believe that demons are the fallen angels
There are probably demons stationed at the corners of your neighborhood. You don't understand, What this whole life is about. There is an invisible war. And we are the subject matter. Evil against good. You need to take it a little more serious.
 
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Papou

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#96
The third heaven is were God dwells. The second is were satan and his demons dwell and the third is the heaven above us.
There are no evidences of multiple heavens except in Paul dreams. We have sent satellites all over our system solar and even beyond. No Signs of multiple heavens. Clearly Paul had a dream when he talk about that
 
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pjharrison

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a planet does not have to have life as we know it or any life in order for it to be a planet

anyway, ignoring science and what is obvious in creation is not helpful
Read genesis. Creation. The stars, moon and sun are inside the firmament. The sun is not as far away as they say.
 

trofimus

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There are no evidences of multiple heavens except in Paul dreams. We have sent satellites all over our system solar and even beyond. No Signs of multiple heavens. Clearly Paul had a dream when he talk about that
This argument reminds me the time when Russians sent first man to space (Jurij Gagarin) and after that they said to Christians "God does not exist, we have been in space and we have not seen Him".

You did not expect to find the third heaven behind our solar system, did you?
 
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pjharrison

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There are no evidences of multiple heavens except in Paul dreams. We have sent satellites all over our system solar and even beyond. No Signs of multiple heavens. Clearly Paul had a dream when he talk about that
We? Do you mean nasa. They can't get through the firmament. And they didn't land on the moon. It's just a big light, just as God said.
 
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Papou

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There are probably demons stationed at the corners of your neighborhood. You don't understand, What this whole life is about. There is an invisible war. And we are the subject matter. Evil against good. You need to take it a little more serious.
I hope this is a joke if so mdr otherwise omg