Not By Works

Shamah · Aug 15, 2018

Ohh OK. YOu problem is with the words of Messiah...

Matthew 10:22, “And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.”

Matt 24:12-13, “And because of the increase in lawlessness, the love of many shall become cold. But he who shall have endured to the end shall be saved.”

Hebrews 10:36, “For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of Yah you may receive what is promised.”

Hebrews 3:14, “For we have become partakers of Messiah if we hold fast the beginning of our trust firm to the end.”

dcontroversal · Aug 15, 2018

eternally-gratefull said:

Not to mention it is false...salvation is given at the moment of belief....

In the grace you are, having BEEN SAVED (past tense) out of faith, and that not of yourselves it is the gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast.

These deceivers that say salvation is not given until the end are completely ignorant of the fact that salvation is spoken of in ALL three tenses...

Was saved at moment of belief
Am saved right now
Continuing to be saved into the future

Perfect tense Greek verb proves their stance false.

VCO · Aug 15, 2018

benhur said:

Now you are either a FOOL or a LIAR, with that statement.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (NCV)
8 I mean that you have been saved by grace through believing. You did not save yourselves; it was a gift from God.
9 It was not the result of your own efforts, so you cannot brag about it.

Titus 3:4-8 (NIV)
4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared,
5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life.
8 This is a trustworthy saying. And I want you to stress these things, so that those who have trusted in God may be careful to devote themselves to doing what is good. These things are excellent and profitable for everyone.

eternally-gratefull · Aug 15, 2018

Shamah said:

No, i believe what god said, in the LAST DAYS DURING THE TRIbULATION PERIOD the love of many will grow cold, many believers will be martyred, the hatred of the people of God will grow, and satan himself will go after them,

In these days, endure, endure to the end! If you can endure, and live until christ returns, you will have your life spared (saved) and enter the kingdom with christ.

It DOES NOT MEAN ETERNAL SALVATION, your wrong, period.

Jesus was not preaching a works based gospel of maintaining your salvation, he was giving people alive in this period hope to endure in spit of great tribulation,

Again, your teaching works, own it man, stop hiding, all your doing is hurting your own testimony by denying what in fact you believe.

Shamah · Aug 15, 2018

Hebrews 9:27-28, “And as it awaits men to die once, and after this the judgment, so also the Messiah, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, shall appear a second time, apart from sin, to those waiting for Him, unto salvation.”

1 Peter 1:3-9, “Blessed be the Strength and Father of our Master יהושע Messiah, who according to His great compassion has caused us to be born again to a living expectation through the resurrection of יהושע Messiah from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and unfading, having been kept in the heavens for you, who are protected by the power of Yah through belief, for a deliverance/salvation ready to be revealed in the last time, in which you exult, even though for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by manifold trials, in order that the proving of your belief – much more precious than gold that perishes, and proven by fire – might be found to result in praise and respect and esteem at the revelation of יהושע Messiah, whom having not seen, you love; in whom you exult with unspeakable and esteemed joy, yet not seeing, but believing, obtaining the goal of your belief: a deliverance of lives.”

Shamah · Aug 15, 2018

eternally-gratefull said:

No, i believe what god said, in the LAST DAYS DURING THE TRIbULATION PERIOD the love of many will grow cold, many believers will be martyred, the hatred of the people of God will grow, and satan himself will go after them,

In these days, endure, endure to the end! If you can endure, and live until christ returns, you will have your life spared (saved) and enter the kingdom with christ.

It DOES NOT MEAN ETERNAL SALVATION, your wrong, period.

Jesus was not preaching a works based gospel of maintaining your salvation, he was giving people alive in this period hope to endure in spit of great tribulation,

Again, your teaching works, own it man, stop hiding, all your doing is hurting your own testimony by denying what in fact you believe.

why will love grow cold? and for those who die before He returns that is their end...

dcontroversal · Aug 15, 2018

eternally-gratefull said:

He will never acknowledge the truth because it destroys his Hebrew roots law abiding dogma..the same dogma that he honestly believes will help secure his eternity......same garbage that the Galatians were fooled by......

Shamah · Aug 15, 2018

John/Yahanan 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd (4166 – poimén)."

TruthTalk · Aug 15, 2018

dcontroversal said:

Thank you for this post decon, it makes my head spin as soon as I here, "being saved is just the beginning", or salvation is the "beginning of the process", of being saved. (The bible does not teach this).

A "born again" believer is eternally saved the moment we believe, as you have already said. Of course the reason they falsely believe salvation is a "process" is because it fits nicely with their works salvation counterfeit gospel.

That's why it is a true statement to say that a, "wrong interpretation", will always produce a, "wrong application", every time. A simple "word study", has already proven this is true.

dcontroversal · Aug 15, 2018

TruthTalk said:

Thank you for this post decon, it makes my head spin as soon as I here, "being saved is just the beginning", or salvation is the "beginning of the process", of being saved. (The bible does not teach this).

A "born again" believer is eternally saved the moment we believe, as you have already said. Of course the reason they falsely believe salvation is a "process" is because it fits nicely with their works salvation counterfeit gospel.

That's why it is a true statement to say that a, "wrong interpretation", will always produce a, "wrong application", every time.

You bet bro......glad your here swinging your sword.....

gb9 · Aug 15, 2018

Shamah said:

as usual, you did not address anything I said, just threw up out of context verses, as if that proves something.

Scripture does not contradict, as hard as you try to make it.

here are some examples- God came to Abram , ( grace ) , Abram believed and trusted Him ( faith ), Abram did as God told him ( works/ obedience )

God came to Noah ( grace ), Noah believed Him ( faith ), Noah built the ark ( works/obedience ).

Jesus approached Peter ( grace ), Jesus told Peter what to do], Peter took Him at His word ( Lord , we have toiled all night, but because you say...) ( faith). Peter did it, caught the massive amount of fish - ( works, obedience, bearing fruit ).

I could go on and on. but, in every case, God extends His grace, it is up to us to believe and do. as a result of the grace, not to earn it.

LW97 · Aug 15, 2018

Could a Christian live as he pleases? Well, how does a Christian please to live? Holy!

ljs · Aug 15, 2018

people dont rightly divide the word and dont distinguish between Jesus's earthly ministry , the age of Grace , and the tribulation to come in scripture , thats why they are confused !

Embankment · Aug 15, 2018

ljs said:

I am continually surprised by the amount of people who just don’t get it. You know the Cliff’s notes version of the Bible reads very different that reading it in full.
I have often wondered if God wrote it that way for a reason.

LW97 · Aug 15, 2018

ljs said:

amen

Seohce · Aug 15, 2018

dcontroversal said:

Amen.....the workers for, law keepers, Pharisees, Lawyers and Cainologists MUST help God with the salvation they claim to have....they have NO concept of positional sanctification based entirely upon faith and being justified eternally by the blood of Christ. They have no concept of the fact that JESUS begins, finishes and COMPLETES the WORK of faith in us. They have NO concept of the words IRREVOCABLE GIFT, SAVED to the UTTERMOST, KEPT by the POWER of GOD........They have NO concept of being BORN AGAIN from ABOVE by INCORRUPTABLE SEED.....They, in their minds, BELIEVE that THEY have to obey some set of rules, regulations and or LAWS which they WILL never be able to KEEP in order to MAINTAIN that which is NOT maintainable....

The PLENTEOUS (MANY) in NUMBER that come before the throne ESPOUSE the SAME dogma that the aforementioned HOLD to....

a. THEY claim they KNOW JESUS by faith
b. THEY claim their right to actually enter is based UPON what they HAVE DONE IN HIS NAME (WORKS, LAW KEEPING, SERVITUDE)
C. THEY will not make the final cut because they NEVER truly trusted into Christ and HIS finished work

FAITH plus ANYTHING to gain, keep, embellish, top off, maintain SALVATION equates to a false gospel which....

a. Has no power to save
b. Is double cursed
c. Leads to being cast from the presence of God
d. ALL who believe it are called fools and bewitched

The simplicity found in Christ is as follows....

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to SAVE "eternally" those who BELIEVE.

The above mentioned Cainologists refuse to acknowledge the above truth because they MUST..........fill in the blank!

Seohce · Aug 15, 2018

dcontroversal said:

WHAT A SHAME. NOTICE AND WATCH THESE OSAS PASTORS AND CHURCH LEADERS WHO CLAIM AND DECLARE THAT “FAITH ALONE” SAVES AND IT IS “NOT BY WÒRKS” OF RIGHTEOUSNESS AND OBEDIENCE, WHILE ON THE OTHER HAND COLLECTS TITHES FROM THEIR MEMBERS SAYING THAT IF THEY WOULD NOT GIVE TITHES, THEY ARE ROBBING GOD.

19 Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame.

..THAT TITHE-GIVING IS A TEST OF FAITH AND THAT GOD WILL BLESS THEM ABUNDANTLY BECAUSE WHAT THEY GIVE WILL COME BACK TO THEM IN GOOD MEASURE AND RUNNING OVER.(luke 6:38)

THAT’S HOW THESE VIPERS IN THEIR GREED AND HYPOCRISY DECEIVE THEIR PREYS(UNKNOWING VICTIMS)

THEY THINK THEY CAN BRIBE GOD.

33 Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God!
How unsearchable his judgments,
and his paths beyond tracing out!
34 “Who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has been his counselor?”
35 “Who has ever given to God,
that God should repay them?”
36 For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen.

THESE VIPERS WILL STILL BE SAVED ACCORDING TO THE OSAS DOCTRINE…

...WHICH IS CONTRARY TO WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES.

11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or GREEDY, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the GREEDY nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or GREEDY person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7 Therefore do not be partners with them.

MAN GOT SEPARATED FROM GOD BECAUSE OF THE SIN OF DISOBEDIENCE WHEN MAN WAS DECEIVED BY THE SERPENT WHO SAID THAT “...Ye shall not surely die.”(genesis 3:4)

DÈCEIVERS OF THIS AGE SAYS THE SAME THING;

“YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE (PERIßH / BE CONDEMNED). ONCE YOU'RE SAVED, YOU ARE ALWAYS ßAVED. JUST HAVE FAITH VOID OF WORKS (OF RIGHTEOUSNESS / ÒBEDIENCE) AND YOU WILL POSSESS ETERNAL LIFE THE MOMENT YOU BELIEVE

DO NOT BE DECEIVED!!!

OSAS AND FAS ARE FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES!!!

3 What if some were unfaithful? Will their unfaithfulness nullify God’s faithfulness?4 Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written:

“So that you may be proved right when you speak
and prevail when you judge.”

eternally-gratefull · Aug 15, 2018

Shamah said:

Why? Because we are at the end of time as we know it, and people will love self more than others. So they will turn people in for their own selfish needs. We see this more and more every day. And this is just the beginning.

The believers who die before christ returns, there end will be like mine, they will be ressurected. Their salvation is not lost.

LW97 · Aug 15, 2018

Seohce said:

WHAT A SHAME. NOTICE AND WATCH THESE OSAS PASTORS AND CHURCH LEADERS WHO CLAIM AND DECLARE THAT “FAITH ALONE” SAVES AND IT IS “NOT BY WÒRKS” OF RIGHTEOUSNESS AND OBEDIENCE, WHILE ON THE OTHER HAND COLLECTS TITHES FROM THEIR MEMBERS SAYING THAT IF THEY WOULD NOT GIVE TITHES, THEY ARE ROBBING GOD.

19 Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame.

..THAT TITHE-GIVING IS A TEST OF FAITH AND THAT GOD WILL BLESS THEM ABUNDANTLY BECAUSE WHAT THEY GIVE WILL COME BACK TO THEM IN GOOD MEASURE AND RUNNING OVER.(luke 6:38)

THAT’S HOW THESE VIPERS IN THEIR GREED AND HYPOCRISY DECEIVE THEIR PREYS(UNKNOWING VICTIMS)

THEY THINK THEY CAN BRIBE GOD.

33 Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God!
How unsearchable his judgments,
and his paths beyond tracing out!
34 “Who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has been his counselor?”
35 “Who has ever given to God,
that God should repay them?”
36 For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen.

THESE VIPERS WILL STILL BE SAVED ACCORDING TO THE OSAS DOCTRINE…

...WHICH IS CONTRARY TO WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES.

11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or GREEDY, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the GREEDY nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or GREEDY person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7 Therefore do not be partners with them.

MAN GOT SEPARATED FROM GOD BECAUSE OF THE SIN OF DISOBEDIENCE WHEN MAN WAS DECEIVED BY THE SERPENT WHO SAID THAT “...Ye shall not surely die.”(genesis 3:4)

DÈCEIVERS OF THIS AGE SAYS THE SAME THING;

“YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE (PERIßH / BE CONDEMNED). ONCE YOU'RE SAVED, YOU ARE ALWAYS ßAVED. JUST HAVE FAITH VOID OF WORKS (OF RIGHTEOUSNESS / ÒBEDIENCE) AND YOU WILL POSSESS ETERNAL LIFE THE MOMENT YOU BELIEVE

DO NOT BE DECEIVED!!!

OSAS AND FAS ARE FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES!!!

3 What if some were unfaithful? Will their unfaithfulness nullify God’s faithfulness?4 Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written:
“So that you may be proved right when you speak
and prevail when you judge.”

No true Christian will ever live in sin

LW97 · Aug 15, 2018

And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. Galatians 5:24

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