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Really? Now you are playing coy. Theotokos means God Bearer. I am not saying the Orthodox hold all truth either I am saying, it is time to prove / try all present doctrine. I am also saying when you find what is true in them they will remain standing because it is then TRULY the Word. Now that you know the meaning of the word Theotokos it should compute. Would this be a befitting title concerning Christ's Mother? I gues I will help you since you can not relate to the word. IS CHRIST GOD?
The false doctrine in the Orthodox is the teaching of her perpetual physical virginity. But since Christ is God it is correct to say she is Theotokos. Theotokos stands! I personally have written about all the false doctrines in all the denominations and edified heads of them concerning what is true and what is false. Not a pleasant response but they could not give rebuttal. I am considering doing a thread concerning the Truth about mother Miriam Hebrew- (Mary) English . It is sure to get a rise out of all. God Bless!
Christ is only God in the same way we or the angels are gods. The trinity doctrine teaches that Christ was 100% God and 100% man. If Christ were 100% God like the Trinitarians teach, that makes the gospel a fraud and makes the cross to no effect. God cannot sin, so it makes no sense that He Himself would become a man who cannot sin and die on the cross for our sins!
That is crazy. Christ is fully human in the fact that He is HUMAN. Not complicated,simple because He took on FLESH FORM. NOT COMPLICATED. He is to RESTORE (RESTORATION) Us to the former state= like Adam and EVE first were, perfect in Spirit and Flesh. He is the last Adam though Born by Spirit then put on flesh where as Adam was made flesh and the Spirit was placed in that.Satan loves to convolute what is very simple to understand. Christ is GOD who took on flesh to show us how to overcome satan.
You said IF Christ were 100%, God, there is NO "IF" scripture is clear that HE 'IS'. Christ is not like god in the sense angels and we are. Christ is BEGOTTEN NOT Made. Begotten in the fact begotten in Mary's womb, not made like angels and man. NOT LIKE ANGELS because He made the Angels.
The Beginning
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made. 4In Him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
The scriptures are VERY clear. If you are questioning the obvious in scripture then maybe Christianity is not for you. Though you would do well to be a Christian because outside of that there is no life.
No one made God and it is clear the scripture says He is God. that is Christianity 101. If you question this , you question God Himself.
Romans 9:20
20But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? Shall what is formed say to Him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?”
Isaiah 10:15
Does an ax raise itself above the one who swings it? Does a saw boast over him who saws with it? It would be like a staff waving the one who lifts it! It would be like a staff lifting him who is not wood!
Isaiah 29:16
You have turned things upside down, as if the potter were regarded as clay. Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, "He did not make me"? Can the pottery say of the potter, "He has no understanding"?
Isaiah 45:9
Woe to him who quarrels with his Maker--one clay pot among many. Does the clay ask the potter, 'What are you making?' Does your work say, 'He has no hands'?
Isaiah 64:8
But now, O LORD, You are our Father; we are the clay, and You are the potter; we are all the work of Your hand.
Jeremiah 18:6
"O house of Israel, can I not treat you as this potter treats his clay? declares the LORD. Just like clay in the potter's hand, so are you in My hand, O house of Israel.
Daniel 4:35
All the peoples of the earth are counted as nothing, and He does as He pleases with the army of heaven and the peoples of the earth. There is no one who can restrain His hand or say to Him, 'What have You done?'"
Christ is GOD and can fashion for Himself flesh if He chooses and did. And sanctified His chosen Mother before entering and taking on her flesh to fashion flesh for Himself. Who are you to question the Almighty? And He is not LIKE MAN, for He had no sin when He took the sanctified flesh of Mary. He perfected her at Her yes! Prior to this she did have sin. that is why she said: My soul doth magnify the Lord and my spirit rejoices in GOD MY SAVIOUR. She calls God Her Saviour, why? Because Christ is God and Her Saviour. To understand the Holy Trinity is to get this.
You said IF Christ were 100%, God, there is NO "IF" scripture is clear that HE 'IS'. Christ is not like god in the sense angels and we are. Christ is BEGOTTEN NOT Made. Begotten in the fact begotten in Mary's womb, not made like angels and man. NOT LIKE ANGELS because He made the Angels.
The Beginning
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made. 4In Him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
The scriptures are VERY clear. If you are questioning the obvious in scripture then maybe Christianity is not for you. Though you would do well to be a Christian because outside of that there is no life.
No one made God and it is clear the scripture says He is God. that is Christianity 101. If you question this , you question God Himself.
Romans 9:20
20But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? Shall what is formed say to Him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?”
Isaiah 10:15
Does an ax raise itself above the one who swings it? Does a saw boast over him who saws with it? It would be like a staff waving the one who lifts it! It would be like a staff lifting him who is not wood!
Isaiah 29:16
You have turned things upside down, as if the potter were regarded as clay. Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, "He did not make me"? Can the pottery say of the potter, "He has no understanding"?
Isaiah 45:9
Woe to him who quarrels with his Maker--one clay pot among many. Does the clay ask the potter, 'What are you making?' Does your work say, 'He has no hands'?
Isaiah 64:8
But now, O LORD, You are our Father; we are the clay, and You are the potter; we are all the work of Your hand.
Jeremiah 18:6
"O house of Israel, can I not treat you as this potter treats his clay? declares the LORD. Just like clay in the potter's hand, so are you in My hand, O house of Israel.
Daniel 4:35
All the peoples of the earth are counted as nothing, and He does as He pleases with the army of heaven and the peoples of the earth. There is no one who can restrain His hand or say to Him, 'What have You done?'"
Christ is GOD and can fashion for Himself flesh if He chooses and did. And sanctified His chosen Mother before entering and taking on her flesh to fashion flesh for Himself. Who are you to question the Almighty? And He is not LIKE MAN, for He had no sin when He took the sanctified flesh of Mary. He perfected her at Her yes! Prior to this she did have sin. that is why she said: My soul doth magnify the Lord and my spirit rejoices in GOD MY SAVIOUR. She calls God Her Saviour, why? Because Christ is God and Her Saviour. To understand the Holy Trinity is to get this.
Trinitarians are dead set against saying the Holy Spirit is the POWER of God because they claim HE is a person of the trinity equal to God and Jesus. BUT! The scriptures say that IT is the power of God...
And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
I have a few questions for Trinitarians that NOT ONE of them have ever been able to answer.
Why is it this supposed "third person of the Trinity" HAS NO NAME?
Why is it that this "third person of the trinity" IS NOT found in or around the Throne of God.
I can answer the questions if you like.
And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
I have a few questions for Trinitarians that NOT ONE of them have ever been able to answer.
Why is it this supposed "third person of the Trinity" HAS NO NAME?
Why is it that this "third person of the trinity" IS NOT found in or around the Throne of God.
I can answer the questions if you like.
I agree......as I have said....the road to hell is paved with religion and good intentions.....Jesus came to set us free from "RELIGION" <---For example....the MOST religious people to ever walk the earth would encompass land and sea to make one proselyte and in so doing make them 2 fold the child of hell.....What does this mean? It means the following...
a. They must get over their false religion
b. They must get over their lost state
2 fold the child of hell ^^^^^^^^^
a. They must get over their false religion
b. They must get over their lost state
2 fold the child of hell ^^^^^^^^^
Hasn't this thread had enough forced division over exaggerated sex abuse scandals? Dudley, you give yourself away with your made-in-America anti-trinitarian post-enightenment era cult. Your false histories is another discussion. No real historian, Protestant, Catholic, or secular, would agree with your junk history. I challenge you to find ANY Ph.D. historian from the last 50 years that agrees with any of your rant.
This thread is not about debunking Bible Students (Jehovah's Witnesses), which I can do in my sleep.
It's about debunking the dearly beloved cultural dictators, who are so powerful they can twist public opinion, all the way to the justice system.
Why don't you defend your buddy Arius and we can discuss your myths about the Council of Nicae. Stupid Constantine lies is one of my favorites. http://www.livingbreadradio.com/201...-emperor-constantine-founded-catholic-church/
When a Catholic priest falls, it's a matter for the police.
When a BS/JW falls, it's a matter of policy to cover it up. Don''t ask for evidence. The whole topic sickens me to be honest.
Origins of the TERM “Trinity”
The term “Trinity” was first used around the time of the 12th Pope, St. Soter (166-175), and the 13th Pope, St. Eleutherius (175-189). Theophilus was bishop of Antioch, and use the Greek “trias”, which was Latinized into “trinitas” about A.D. 180. He speaks of "the Trinity of God [the Father], His Word and His Wisdom ("Ad. Autol.", II, 15). The term may, of course, have been in use before his time.
Afterwards it appears in its Latin form of trinitas in Tertullian ("De pud." c. xxi). In the next century the word is in general use.
Just as the term “Trinity” is not found anywhere in the bible, we know that its meaning is explicitly taught. The same goes for other doctrinal concepts that, though the term is not found in the bible, we know its meaning is explicitly taught.
The doctrinal origins of the Trinity
is encapsulated in Matthew 28:19, where Jesus instructs the apostles: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."
The parallelism of the Father, the Son, and the Spirit is not unique to Matthew’s Gospel, but appears elsewhere in the New Testament (e.g., 2 Cor. 13:14, Heb. 9:14), as well as in the writings of the earliest Christians, who clearly understood them in the sense that we do today—that the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are three divine persons who are one divine being (God).
Your best option is to go with a different Bible, the NWT.
This thread is not about debunking Bible Students (Jehovah's Witnesses), which I can do in my sleep.
It's about debunking the dearly beloved cultural dictators, who are so powerful they can twist public opinion, all the way to the justice system.
Why don't you defend your buddy Arius and we can discuss your myths about the Council of Nicae. Stupid Constantine lies is one of my favorites. http://www.livingbreadradio.com/201...-emperor-constantine-founded-catholic-church/
When a Catholic priest falls, it's a matter for the police.
When a BS/JW falls, it's a matter of policy to cover it up. Don''t ask for evidence. The whole topic sickens me to be honest.
Origins of the TERM “Trinity”
The term “Trinity” was first used around the time of the 12th Pope, St. Soter (166-175), and the 13th Pope, St. Eleutherius (175-189). Theophilus was bishop of Antioch, and use the Greek “trias”, which was Latinized into “trinitas” about A.D. 180. He speaks of "the Trinity of God [the Father], His Word and His Wisdom ("Ad. Autol.", II, 15). The term may, of course, have been in use before his time.
Afterwards it appears in its Latin form of trinitas in Tertullian ("De pud." c. xxi). In the next century the word is in general use.
Just as the term “Trinity” is not found anywhere in the bible, we know that its meaning is explicitly taught. The same goes for other doctrinal concepts that, though the term is not found in the bible, we know its meaning is explicitly taught.
The doctrinal origins of the Trinity
is encapsulated in Matthew 28:19, where Jesus instructs the apostles: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."
The parallelism of the Father, the Son, and the Spirit is not unique to Matthew’s Gospel, but appears elsewhere in the New Testament (e.g., 2 Cor. 13:14, Heb. 9:14), as well as in the writings of the earliest Christians, who clearly understood them in the sense that we do today—that the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are three divine persons who are one divine being (God).
Your best option is to go with a different Bible, the NWT.
Wow.......................just a couple of points to ponder after reading a few of the posts above...
a. The Holy Spirit is identified under the personal pronoun HE
b. Let us make man in our image.....and God breathed into Adam the breath of LIVES <---PLURAL in HEBREW
Hebrew has...
a. Singlar <--1
b. Dual <---2 or pairs
c. PLURAL <---3 or more
The bible is clear on God, his nature, characteristics and the ABOVE bolded........
a. The Holy Spirit is identified under the personal pronoun HE
b. Let us make man in our image.....and God breathed into Adam the breath of LIVES <---PLURAL in HEBREW
Hebrew has...
a. Singlar <--1
b. Dual <---2 or pairs
c. PLURAL <---3 or more
The bible is clear on God, his nature, characteristics and the ABOVE bolded........