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Jewel5712

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God does not punish the natural man, void of the Spirit. He leaves them to their own destruction. That is not God punishing.
He persues the natural man wantinh him to accept Him as Lord and Saviour..doesnt punish but still LOVES..THATs whats in question here..

If you think the only way God shows love is through chastening thats sad too..
 

Slayer

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God did not write his laws in the hearts and minds of the non-elect.
OK, I take it you're more learned than myself as I was only baptized into the faith 3 years ago. So you are saying they learn what good and bad means as they live and learn. I wasn't aware of that, thanks for teaching me
 

Jewel5712

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OK, I take it you're more learned than myself as I was only baptized into the faith 3 years ago. So you are saying they learn what good and bad means as they live and learn. I wasn't aware of that, thanks for teaching me
Lol..are you being sarcastic? Lol
 

Jewel5712

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OK, I take it you're more learned than myself as I was only baptized into the faith 3 years ago. So you are saying they learn what good and bad means as they live and learn. I wasn't aware of that, thanks for teaching me
Btw..welcome to Gods family brother;)
 

Slayer

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Lol..are you being sarcastic? Lol
I'm not being sarcastic, I was thanking the brother for teaching me that God only wrote His law on the hearts of His elect. The rest don't have that inbuilt conscience which tells us what's right and wrong
 

Jewel5712

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I'm not being sarcastic, I was thanking the brother for teaching me that God only wrote His law on the hearts of His elect. The rest don't have that inbuilt conscience which tells us what's right and wrong
Ahhhh..got it..:)
 

ForestGreenCook

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Theres a lot of professing christians that do a LOT of good but dont have a personal relationship with Christ.

I know non saved people that live better good pure lives than a lot of christians do...sad..
There are children of God that do not have a personal relationship with God. For instance, When a child of God is disobedient he is considered to be dead to his fellowship with God until he repents of his disobedience. David tells us in Ps 73 that the non-elect that God has left to his own destruction gets along better in this life than do God's children.
I was speaking to the other guy in a worldly language, he doesn't seem to understand spiritual things. I said those people are "good" as the world understands good, of' course that means filthy rags in our language.
Sorry, I apologize. I misunderstood.
 

ForestGreenCook

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Yes..God does..but thats not what the scripture was relaying.."man" as in mankind..in GENERAL..
If you are inferring in John 6:37-38 that "all the Father has given me" is meaning, in general, as in all mankind, then you are going to have to explain why all mankind will not be in heaven, because Jesus said he would lose none of them.
 

Jewel5712

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If you are inferring in John 6:37-38 that "all the Father has given me" is meaning, in general, as in all mankind, then you are going to have to explain why all mankind will not be in heaven, because Jesus said he would lose none of them.
MANKINDS FREE WILL. GOD doesnt want anyone to perish but WE can still CHOOSE to accept or reject Him :)
 

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He persues the natural man wantinh him to accept Him as Lord and Saviour..doesnt punish but still LOVES..THATs whats in question here..

If you think the only way God shows love is through chastening thats sad too..
Prov 13:24, He that spareth his rod hateth his son, but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.
 

ForestGreenCook

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MANKINDS FREE WILL. GOD doesnt want anyone to perish but WE can still CHOOSE to accept or reject Him :)
Yes, God has given mankind a free will to choose for himself on how he wants to live his life here on earth, but his eternal destination is a choice made by a sovereign God's grace. Eph 2:5. However the natural man will not, and even, cannot choose to respond favorably to anything that is of a spiritual nature because, 1 Cor 2:14,, he cannot discern spiritual things. I think you are referring to 2 Pet 3:9 when you mention that he doesn't want anyone to perish. In order to understand this verse and keep it in context, we have to look at 2 Pet 1:1 to find that Peter is talking to them that have obtained like precious faith. Peter is giving them a warning, and even includes himself by using the word US-WARD. His warning, for all of them to keep in memory, to repent when they are disobedient to God. When we turn away from God, other scriptures refer to us as "Being dead" to God's fellowship. Perish, in this verse, means they would be dead to a fellowship with their God until they repented of their disobedience.
 

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Yes, God has given mankind a free will to choose for himself on how he wants to live his life here on earth, but his eternal destination is a choice made by a sovereign God's grace. Eph 2:5. However the natural man will not, and even, cannot choose to respond favorably to anything that is of a spiritual nature because, 1 Cor 2:14,, he cannot discern spiritual things. I think you are referring to 2 Pet 3:9 when you mention that he doesn't want anyone to perish. In order to understand this verse and keep it in context, we have to look at 2 Pet 1:1 to find that Peter is talking to them that have obtained like precious faith. Peter is giving them a warning, and even includes himself by using the word US-WARD. His warning, for all of them to keep in memory, to repent when they are disobedient to God. When we turn away from God, other scriptures refer to us as "Being dead" to God's fellowship. Perish, in this verse, means they would be dead to a fellowship with their God until they repented of their disobedience.
If the natural man can not decern spiritual things etc..how do WE become saved? God persues us ..the Holy spirit works with EVERYONE...the "invite" is given to all but it is OUR choice..God wont manipulate or force.

To say the natural man is doomed cant be or NO ONE would be saved and BE christians because ALL have sinned and fall SHORT of the glory of God..
 

Jewel5712

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Yes, God has given mankind a free will to choose for himself on how he wants to live his life here on earth, but his eternal destination is a choice made by a sovereign God's grace. Eph 2:5. However the natural man will not, and even, cannot choose to respond favorably to anything that is of a spiritual nature because, 1 Cor 2:14,, he cannot discern spiritual things. I think you are referring to 2 Pet 3:9 when you mention that he doesn't want anyone to perish. In order to understand this verse and keep it in context, we have to look at 2 Pet 1:1 to find that Peter is talking to them that have obtained like precious faith. Peter is giving them a warning, and even includes himself by using the word US-WARD. His warning, for all of them to keep in memory, to repent when they are disobedient to God. When we turn away from God, other scriptures refer to us as "Being dead" to God's fellowship. Perish, in this verse, means they would be dead to a fellowship with their God until they repented of their disobedience.

ALL WILL BE INVITED..BUT PEOPLE MAKE EXCUSES ETC NOT TO BELIVE OR ACCEPT THE INVITAION OF SALVATION...

Scripture: Luke 14:15-24

15 When one of those who sat at table with him heard this, he said to him, “Blessed is he who shall eat bread in the kingdom of God!” 16 But he said to him, “A man once gave a great banquet, and invited many; 17 and at the time for the banquet he sent his servant to say to those who had been invited, `Come; for all is now ready.’ 18 But they all alike began to make excuses. The first said to him, `I have bought a field, and I must go out and see it; I pray you, have me excused.’ 19 And another said, `I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to examine them; I pray you, have me excused.’ 20 And another said, `I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.’ 21 So the servant came and reported this to his master. Then the householder in anger said to his servant, `Go out quickly to the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in the poor and maimed and blind and lame.’ 22 And the servant said, `Sir, what you commanded has been done, and still there is room.’ 23 And the master said to the servant, `Go out to the highways and hedges, and compel people to come in, that my house may be filled. 24 For I tell you, none of those men who were invited shall taste my banquet.'”



Meditation:

What does it mean to “eat bread in the kingdom of heaven”? In the ancient world the most notable sign of favor and intimate friendship was the invitation to “share bread” at the dinner table. Who you ate with showed who you valued and trusted as your friends. A great banquet would involve a lavish meal of several courses and a large company of notable guests and friends. One of the most beautiful images of heaven in the scriptures is the royal wedding celebration and banquet given by the King for his son and friends. We, in fact, have been invited to the most important banquet of all! The last book in the Bible ends with an invitation to the wedding feast of the Lamb and his Bride, the church: The Spirit and the Bride say, Come! (Revelations 22:17). The ‘Lamb of God’ is the Lord Jesus Christ and his bride is the people he has redeemed by his own precious blood which was shed upon the cross for our salvation.

Jesus’ “banquet parable” must have startled his audience. If a great lord or king invited his friends to a banquet, why would the guests turn down his invitation? A great banquet would take many days to prepare. And personal invitations would be sent out well in advance to the guests, so they would have plenty of time to prepare for the upcoming event. How insulting for the invited guests to then refuse when the time for celebrating came! They made light of the King’s request because they put their own interests above his.

Jesus probes the reasons why people make excuses to God’s great invitation to “eat bread” with him at his banquet table. The first excuse allows the claims of one’s personal business or work to take precedence over God’s claim. Do you allow any task or endeavor to absorb you so much that it keeps you from the thought of God? The second excuse allows our possessions to come before God. Do you allow the media and other diversions to crowd out time for God in daily prayer and worship? The third excuse puts home and family ahead of God. God never meant for our home and relationships to be used selfishly. We serve God best when we invite him into our work, our homes, and our personal lives and when we share our possessions with others.

The second part of the story focuses on those who had no claim on the king and who would never have considered getting such an invitation. The “poor, maimed, blind, and lame” represent the outcasts of society – those who can make no claim on the King. There is even ample room at the feast of God for outsiders from the highways and hedges – the Gentiles who were not members of the chosen people, the Jews. This is certainly an invitation of grace –undeserved, unmerited favor and kindness! But this invitation also contains a warning for those who refuse it or who approach the wedding feast unworthily. Grace is a free gift, but it is also an awesome responsibility.

Dieterich Bonhoeffer, a German pastor who died for his faith by opposing the false Nazism, contrasted cheap grace and costly grace: “Cheap grace is the grace we bestow on ourselves… the preaching of forgiveness without requiring repentance… grace without discipleship, grace without the cross, grace without Jesus Christ, living and incarnate… Costly grace is the gospel which must be sought again and again, the gift which must be asked for, the door at which a man must knock. Such grace is costly because it calls us to follow Jesus Christ. It is costly because it costs a man his life, and it is grace because it gives a man the only true life.”

God invites each of us to his banquet that we may share in his joy. Are you ready to feast at the Lord’s banquet table?

“Lord Jesus, you withhold no good thing from us and you lavish us with the treasures of heaven. Help me to seek your kingdom first and to lay aside anything that might hinder me from doing your will.”
 

ForestGreenCook

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If the natural man can not decern spiritual things etc..how do WE become saved? God persues us ..the Holy spirit works with EVERYONE...the "invite" is given to all but it is OUR choice..God wont manipulate or force.

To say the natural man is doomed cant be or NO ONE would be saved and BE christians because ALL have sinned and fall SHORT of the glory of God..
I perceive that you hunger to understand the truth of the doctrine that Jesus taught. I am not a preacher, I do attend church regularly, and love to discuss the scriptures with people who are interested in gleaning the truth of what Jesus taught. There are quite a few scriptures dealing with "THE ELECT" that most people have a hard time understanding and explaining. Most people want to believe that God, by his foreknowledge, looked down through time and saw who would seek him and do good works. and chose them, but they have no scripture bases for that view. Ps 53:2-3, God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God. Every one of them is gone back; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. This is the reason in Eph 1 that God says in verse 4, According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love ( after that Jesus died on the cross for the sins of those that God chose and gave, him [John 6] ) Had God not chosen some out of their depraved condition, he would not have had anyone to praise and honor him. God looks upon them as Holy and without blame, and says their sins are as far away from him as the east is from the west. All mankind is born into this world as sinners, void of the Spirit, and stay that way until God regenerates them, as stated in Eph 2:5. Sometime between those that he chose natural birth and their natural death, God regenerates (gives them spiritual life by putting his Spirit within them). As just natural men, they had no response to making this transition, It was made by the sovereign grace of God. After they had been regenerated, the Spirit within them began to reveal some truths unto them. I expect that you would now have many questions, so, lets hear them.
 

ForestGreenCook

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ALL WILL BE INVITED..BUT PEOPLE MAKE EXCUSES ETC NOT TO BELIVE OR ACCEPT THE INVITAION OF SALVATION...

Scripture: Luke 14:15-24

15 When one of those who sat at table with him heard this, he said to him, “Blessed is he who shall eat bread in the kingdom of God!” 16 But he said to him, “A man once gave a great banquet, and invited many; 17 and at the time for the banquet he sent his servant to say to those who had been invited, `Come; for all is now ready.’ 18 But they all alike began to make excuses. The first said to him, `I have bought a field, and I must go out and see it; I pray you, have me excused.’ 19 And another said, `I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to examine them; I pray you, have me excused.’ 20 And another said, `I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.’ 21 So the servant came and reported this to his master. Then the householder in anger said to his servant, `Go out quickly to the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in the poor and maimed and blind and lame.’ 22 And the servant said, `Sir, what you commanded has been done, and still there is room.’ 23 And the master said to the servant, `Go out to the highways and hedges, and compel people to come in, that my house may be filled. 24 For I tell you, none of those men who were invited shall taste my banquet.'”



Meditation:

What does it mean to “eat bread in the kingdom of heaven”? In the ancient world the most notable sign of favor and intimate friendship was the invitation to “share bread” at the dinner table. Who you ate with showed who you valued and trusted as your friends. A great banquet would involve a lavish meal of several courses and a large company of notable guests and friends. One of the most beautiful images of heaven in the scriptures is the royal wedding celebration and banquet given by the King for his son and friends. We, in fact, have been invited to the most important banquet of all! The last book in the Bible ends with an invitation to the wedding feast of the Lamb and his Bride, the church: The Spirit and the Bride say, Come! (Revelations 22:17). The ‘Lamb of God’ is the Lord Jesus Christ and his bride is the people he has redeemed by his own precious blood which was shed upon the cross for our salvation.

Jesus’ “banquet parable” must have startled his audience. If a great lord or king invited his friends to a banquet, why would the guests turn down his invitation? A great banquet would take many days to prepare. And personal invitations would be sent out well in advance to the guests, so they would have plenty of time to prepare for the upcoming event. How insulting for the invited guests to then refuse when the time for celebrating came! They made light of the King’s request because they put their own interests above his.

Jesus probes the reasons why people make excuses to God’s great invitation to “eat bread” with him at his banquet table. The first excuse allows the claims of one’s personal business or work to take precedence over God’s claim. Do you allow any task or endeavor to absorb you so much that it keeps you from the thought of God? The second excuse allows our possessions to come before God. Do you allow the media and other diversions to crowd out time for God in daily prayer and worship? The third excuse puts home and family ahead of God. God never meant for our home and relationships to be used selfishly. We serve God best when we invite him into our work, our homes, and our personal lives and when we share our possessions with others.

The second part of the story focuses on those who had no claim on the king and who would never have considered getting such an invitation. The “poor, maimed, blind, and lame” represent the outcasts of society – those who can make no claim on the King. There is even ample room at the feast of God for outsiders from the highways and hedges – the Gentiles who were not members of the chosen people, the Jews. This is certainly an invitation of grace –undeserved, unmerited favor and kindness! But this invitation also contains a warning for those who refuse it or who approach the wedding feast unworthily. Grace is a free gift, but it is also an awesome responsibility.

Dieterich Bonhoeffer, a German pastor who died for his faith by opposing the false Nazism, contrasted cheap grace and costly grace: “Cheap grace is the grace we bestow on ourselves… the preaching of forgiveness without requiring repentance… grace without discipleship, grace without the cross, grace without Jesus Christ, living and incarnate… Costly grace is the gospel which must be sought again and again, the gift which must be asked for, the door at which a man must knock. Such grace is costly because it calls us to follow Jesus Christ. It is costly because it costs a man his life, and it is grace because it gives a man the only true life.”

God invites each of us to his banquet that we may share in his joy. Are you ready to feast at the Lord’s banquet table?

“Lord Jesus, you withhold no good thing from us and you lavish us with the treasures of heaven. Help me to seek your kingdom first and to lay aside anything that might hinder me from doing your will.”
Interesting comments. Jesus is the husband and king of his church which is his bride. His church has several names that it is called by in the scriptures, The church of God, the new Jerusalem, the church of the first born, the little flock, church in the wilderness, The banquet feast is being fed with the gospel in his church. I have to take intermission fight now, be back to explain more later.
 

Jewel5712

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I perceive that you hunger to understand the truth of the doctrine that Jesus taught. I am not a preacher, I do attend church regularly, and love to discuss the scriptures with people who are interested in gleaning the truth of what Jesus taught. There are quite a few scriptures dealing with "THE ELECT" that most people have a hard time understanding and explaining. Most people want to believe that God, by his foreknowledge, looked down through time and saw who would seek him and do good works. and chose them, but they have no scripture bases for that view. Ps 53:2-3, God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God. Every one of them is gone back; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. This is the reason in Eph 1 that God says in verse 4, According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love ( after that Jesus died on the cross for the sins of those that God chose and gave, him [John 6] ) Had God not chosen some out of their depraved condition, he would not have had anyone to praise and honor him. God looks upon them as Holy and without blame, and says their sins are as far away from him as the east is from the west. All mankind is born into this world as sinners, void of the Spirit, and stay that way until God regenerates them, as stated in Eph 2:5. Sometime between those that he chose natural birth and their natural death, God regenerates (gives them spiritual life by putting his Spirit within them). As just natural men, they had no response to making this transition, It was made by the sovereign grace of God. After they had been regenerated, the Spirit within them began to reveal some truths unto them. I expect that you would now have many questions, so, lets hear them.
Lol forest..we gotta stop meeting like this or people are gonna "talk" lol ;)
 

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Psalm 11:5 puts it bluntly: God hates wicked people. “The LORD tests the righteous, but his soul hates the wicked and the one who loves violence” (Psalm 11:5). He hates wicked people from his soul, from the very depth of his being. God hates their ways (Proverbs 15:9), their thoughts

(Proverbs 15:26), their worship (Proverbs 15:8), their actions (Proverbs 6:18), and their evil deeds (Psalm 5:5). He singles out as a special object of his hatred the blasphemous deeds of the Nicolaitans, those who seduced God’s people with idolatry and sexual immorality. “Yet this you have: you hate the works of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate” (Revelation 2:6).

Clearly, God hates the thoughts, deeds, and desires of evil people. But further, in some way he hates the evil people themselves. His soul reacts to them with righteous revulsion as his arm extends toward them in holy fury. But who are the wicked? All of us.

We are all wicked, “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23). “Just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned” (Romans 5:12).

God must judge the wicked for their rebellion. He must judge them for their evil thoughts, their evil deeds, and even their evil desires. And he will.
God is a righteous judge,​
and a God who feels indignation every day.​
If a man does not repent, God will whet his sword;​
he has bent and readied his bow;​
he has prepared for him his deadly weapons,​
making his arrows fiery shafts.​
Behold, the wicked man conceives evil​
and is pregnant with mischief​
and gives birth to lies.​
He makes a pit, digging it out,​
and falls into the hole that he has made.​
His mischief returns upon his own head,​
and on his own skull his violence descends. (Psalm 7:11-16)​
Said more tersely, “The LORD preserves all who love him, but all the wicked he will destroy” (Psalm 145:20). Psalm 1:5 promises, “the wicked will not stand in the judgment” (5). Indeed, in Luke 13 we find Jesus speaking of that final judgment.

He says that in that day some will expect to be welcomed by God into his kingdom, yet all they will hear is this terrifying judgment: “Depart from me, all you workers of evil” (Luke 13:27)! They will be consigned forever to a place where “there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth” (28).
God will judge the wicked and give them the fitting punishment for their wickedness.

  1. God hates the workers of iniquity (Psalm 5:5)
  2. God hates the wicked (Psalm 11:5)
  3. God hates the sacrifices of the wicked (Proverbs 15:8)
  4. God hates the ways of the wicked (Proverbs 15:9)
  5. God hates the thoughts of the wicked (Proverbs 15:26)
  6. God hates feet that make haste to run to evil (Proverbs 6:18)
  7. God hated Esau (Malachi 1:1-3; Romans 9:13)
  8. God hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans (Revelation 2:6)
I find it hard to believe that so many Christians think that God loves everyone unconditionally. The above Bible verses make it clear that He doesn't love everyone unconditionally. The prosperity preachers will never quote any of the above, they know that they would lose 90% of their congregation if they did.

Most Christians don't want to hear about all of Gods attributes, they are only interested in those which affirm them in their lives of sin. Those Churches which embrace everyone in their sin and affirm them in their immoral relationships are full, the Churches which preach the whole counsel of God are all but empty.

Bible say God love the world So He give the only Son, whosoever believe in Him Will be save.

So God love whosoever believe in Him, and He invite whosoever to believe in Him.

It mean He invite every body to be love by Him.
 

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Bible say God love the world So He give the only Son, whosoever believe in Him Will be save.

So God love whosoever believe in Him, and He invite whosoever to believe in Him.

It mean He invite every body to be love by Him.
@Slayer

God LOVES the sinner..HATES the sin..if you think that God only loved the saved there would be no reason for Jesus death and resurrection..