Why I joined the Reformed Church
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do you ever talk about anything other than kjv onlyism?
((i'm joking with you. or maybe I'm not haha))
lets talk about what's going on in the thread. someone thinks the only real Christians never go to churches. and that they are following a modern apostle.
isnt that a bit more important to address?
((i'm joking with you. or maybe I'm not haha))
lets talk about what's going on in the thread. someone thinks the only real Christians never go to churches. and that they are following a modern apostle.
isnt that a bit more important to address?
Hey brother, I haven't brought up the subject in a long time. I only mentioned it to the OP concerning the creeds he posted. Most people may believe in these creeds but have no idea what they mean.
Yes, there are other points of emphasis as well as you pointed out and I happen to agree.
Yes, there are other points of emphasis as well as you pointed out and I happen to agree.
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the point is that in the 1st century... they were celebrating Passover. Acts 12 is not a text about 17th century events.
your counterargument might as well equally justify replacing Luke 2 with Rudolph the Red-nosed Reindeer, since by the 21st century Christ-mass ((which ought technically to be Gabriel-mass given the time of year anyway)) has nothing to do with Jesus.
but we're not talking about that
your counterargument might as well equally justify replacing Luke 2 with Rudolph the Red-nosed Reindeer, since by the 21st century Christ-mass ((which ought technically to be Gabriel-mass given the time of year anyway)) has nothing to do with Jesus.
but we're not talking about that
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But in the 17th century, "Easter" (from Pascha) covered BOTH the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread, as well as the Resurrection. Had they transliterated Pascha that would certainly have been better, but for Christians at that time the Easter festival, the Resurrection, and the two feasts of the Old Covenant were synonymous. Not one Christian would have thought about Ishtar or any such nonsense.
Here's the explanation from Thayer's Greek Lexicon
4. the paschal festival, the feast of Passover, extending from the fourteenth to the twentieth day of the month Nisan: Matthew 26:2; Mark 14:1;Luke 2:41; Luke 22:1; John 2:13, 23;John 6:4; John 11:55; John 12:1; John 13:1; John 18:39; John 19:14; Acts 12:4
Here's the explanation from Thayer's Greek Lexicon
4. the paschal festival, the feast of Passover, extending from the fourteenth to the twentieth day of the month Nisan: Matthew 26:2; Mark 14:1;Luke 2:41; Luke 22:1; John 2:13, 23;John 6:4; John 11:55; John 12:1; John 13:1; John 18:39; John 19:14; Acts 12:4
If the KJV is perfect, then all others are not perfect since all others contain different words and even different truths. There can be only one that stands alone as the word of God.
"A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies."[/QUOTE]
I think there are only small differences in translation, but I'm sure the Gospel message is not lost in translation. The Gospel message is the most important message in the Bible, so that's all we need to understand to make us wise onto salvation. Of' course the rest of the Bible is important but not as important as the Gospel.
"A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies."[/QUOTE]
I think there are only small differences in translation, but I'm sure the Gospel message is not lost in translation. The Gospel message is the most important message in the Bible, so that's all we need to understand to make us wise onto salvation. Of' course the rest of the Bible is important but not as important as the Gospel.
You are talking about a miraculous event that happened 2000 years ago, of' course those 3000 who were converted would have gone away and exercised faith and repentance from the day until they died. We must repent many times every single day and we must live by faith all the time, these are not one of events and then we live happily ever after.
When a person is converted they enter into mortal combat against their flesh, and the battle rages for the rest of their life. We are not saved until the end, so we must remain faithful until the end. Those who fall away were never chosen by God, they never were predestined to be one of His elect.[/QUOTE]
I just don't understand what you mean we are not saved until the end, so we must be faithful until the end. Are you saying that in order a sinner to be saved one must have faith then repent as you are saying and remain faithful 'till the end?. Any Bible verse please especially remaining faithful 'till the end. Plus, what is that end, is it the end of your life, the end of the world, until Christ comes etc.
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When a person is converted they enter into mortal combat against their flesh, and the battle rages for the rest of their life. We are not saved until the end, so we must remain faithful until the end. Those who fall away were never chosen by God, they never were predestined to be one of His elect.[/QUOTE]
I just don't understand what you mean we are not saved until the end, so we must be faithful until the end. Are you saying that in order a sinner to be saved one must have faith then repent as you are saying and remain faithful 'till the end?. Any Bible verse please especially remaining faithful 'till the end. Plus, what is that end, is it the end of your life, the end of the world, until Christ comes etc.
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I just don't understand what you mean we are not saved until the end, so we must be faithful until the end. Are you saying that in order a sinner to be saved one must have faith then repent as you are saying and remain faithful 'till the end?. Any Bible verse please especially remaining faithful 'till the end. Plus, what is that end, is it the end of your life, the end of the world, until Christ comes etc.
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I just don't understand what you mean we are not saved until the end, so we must be faithful until the end. Are you saying that in order a sinner to be saved one must have faith then repent as you are saying and remain faithful 'till the end?. Any Bible verse please especially remaining faithful 'till the end. Plus, what is that end, is it the end of your life, the end of the world, until Christ comes etc.
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Matt: 24:13 But he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved.
This is describing true believers, a true believer will remain faithful to the end. The end refers to the end of the race, (life) those who fall away were never truly converted. They made a profession of faith but as soon as they encountered tribulation they abandoned their faith.
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I just don't understand what you mean we are not saved until the end, so we must be faithful until the end. Are you saying that in order a sinner to be saved one must have faith then repent as you are saying and remain faithful 'till the end?. Any Bible verse please especially remaining faithful 'till the end. Plus, what is that end, is it the end of your life, the end of the world, until Christ comes etc.
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Matt: 24:13 But he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved.
This is describing true believers, a true believer will remain faithful to the end. The end refers to the end of the race, (life) those who fall away were never truly converted. They made a profession of faith but as soon as they encountered tribulation they abandoned their faith.
So you are now saying that when “we are not saved until the end…” excludes you in the “we” for the reason Matthew 24:13 as according to you refers to the true believers. Am I being sensible with this?
I agree, however, that true believers must endure hardships/trials of this life/ suffer tribulation and not to abandoned their faith. Isn’t Matthew 24:13 is in reference to physical salvation until the coming of Christ and is not in reference to the lost souls that needs salvation with the gospel of Christ because souls are hell bound?
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I agree, however, that true believers must endure hardships/trials of this life/ suffer tribulation and not to abandoned their faith. Isn’t Matthew 24:13 is in reference to physical salvation until the coming of Christ and is not in reference to the lost souls that needs salvation with the gospel of Christ because souls are hell bound?
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The verse is just making an observation, that those who endure to the end shall be saved. Only God and the true believer know that he is saved, no other person can possibly know for sure who is saved.
Only God and the actual believer know this, so as observers we can see true believers following Jesus but we don't know if they will remain faithful to the end. Again only God knows this and the true believer himself.
The vast majority, perhaps 90% will fall away and abandon their faith when they are faced with torture and death for their faith. Most professing Christians will be cast into the lake of fire, it's a very sobering reality.
It's very hard for me to see members of my family on their way to hell, I plead with them all the time but they don't feel the need to repent because they don't see themselves as being so bad to deserve hell. They compare themselves to the rest of the world and say surely God won't cast me into hell, I don't do anything wicked or bad. They think I became a Christian out of fear because I lived a wicked life of unrestrained sin before I was converted.
I was the worst sinner out of all my family, relatives and friends so they all think that I converted out of fear and they don't need to because they never done any of the things I did.
Only God and the actual believer know this, so as observers we can see true believers following Jesus but we don't know if they will remain faithful to the end. Again only God knows this and the true believer himself.
The vast majority, perhaps 90% will fall away and abandon their faith when they are faced with torture and death for their faith. Most professing Christians will be cast into the lake of fire, it's a very sobering reality.
It's very hard for me to see members of my family on their way to hell, I plead with them all the time but they don't feel the need to repent because they don't see themselves as being so bad to deserve hell. They compare themselves to the rest of the world and say surely God won't cast me into hell, I don't do anything wicked or bad. They think I became a Christian out of fear because I lived a wicked life of unrestrained sin before I was converted.
I was the worst sinner out of all my family, relatives and friends so they all think that I converted out of fear and they don't need to because they never done any of the things I did.
