Can anyone help me understand these verses?

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UnderGrace

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dcontroversal said:
Watch his flip flop.....according to him you leave your lost forever (Hebrews out of Context) and now he posts COME back while you can....his dogma vacillates more than the ocean waves on Bondi Beach in Sydney, Australia.......
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I noticed that too....I guess if one faulty argument hits a wall one finds another and another but they all die on the truth of scripture.

Tells me, it is more about a personal need to make it true, than about objective truth maybe.:unsure:
 
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So God is going to work to keep us saved, but sometimes He's not working hard enough? Not competent enough? Not strong enough to keep us saved?

It's HIS faithfulness and Name He can't deny. If you are filled with the Holy Spirit, you are filled with HIM. That's Why He can't deny Himself.
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It is called ABIDING. Abiding is a personal choice and has nothing to do with God not being able to keep you but you being able to keep faithful to God.
 
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So on the one hand it is IMPOSSIBLE to believe again, but on the other hand you can unelieve for a little while, but you better dang make sure that unbelief doesn't last too long!!

OP. Please don't listen to this type of post.
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Well since you deny half of the Word , you are the lot you are trying to defend. So now you just have to wait for the Lord's verdict and when your hay, wood and straw is burnt up then you will know.
 
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UnderGrace said:
I noticed that too....I guess if one faulty argument hits a wall one finds another and another but they all die on the truth of scripture.

Tells me, it is more about a personal need to make it true, than about objective truth maybe.:unsure:
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AMEN.......the fact that he flip flops like the above tells me all I need to know about his false dogma....and anyone with sense reading his posts can see right through his error......out of one side of his mouth he states that if you walk away or lose faith your lost forever and no getting it back and then he posts come back while you have time......that is nothing but utter confusion and GOD is not the author of confusion......
 
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UnderGrace said:
Exactly, Paul mentions no time span, why because your concept of a person having salvation and loosing salvation does not even exist, it is a complete fable, total eisegesis.
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You're not thinking it through.

Paul explained to them what will happen to them for leaving the Lord (they lose salvation, the inheritance). The simple fact that he is attempting to bring them back to Christ shows God has not done to them what he says he will do, yet.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Watch his flip flop.....according to him you leave your lost forever (Hebrews out of Context) and now he posts COME back while you can....his dogma vacillates more than the ocean waves on Bondi Beach in Sydney, Australia.......
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WRONG!

You don't pay attention. I've been saying all this for months now.

You will in fact lose your justification/salvation for no longer trusting in Christ for that justification. How long it takes before God executes that judgment? Depends on your level of maturity, what you presently know and are accountable for, and why you left. But he will surely close the door to coming back if you continue to reject his call to come back. Remember that, dcon. Remember that. Grace is not your ticket to languish in your old life and still be saved when Jesus comes back. Grace is NOT a license to sin. The grace that makes it so you can live in your old life and still be saved is not the gospel of grace Paul taught.
 
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HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH wow....comedy hour with the I keep myself saved crew.....what a joke.....
 
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Ralph- said:
You're not thinking it through.

Paul explained to them what will happen to them for leaving the Lord (they lose salvation, the inheritance). The simple fact that he is attempting to bring them back to Christ shows God has not done to them what he says he will do, yet.
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Which verse are you referring to specifically?

There is no doctrine of losing salvation, it does not exist, you are reading scripture wrong.

Again no one can unbirth themselves (physically) therefore no one can be unborn again (spiritually) the perfect analogy

Simple, simple
 
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WRONG!

You don't pay attention. I've been saying all this for months now.

You will in fact lose your justification/salvation for no longer trusting in Christ for that justification. How long it takes before God executes that judgment? Depends on your level of maturity, what you presently know and are accountable for, and why you left. But he will surely close the door to coming back if you continue to reject his call to come back. Remember that, dcon. Remember that. Grace is not your ticket to languish in your old life and still be saved when Jesus comes back. Grace is NOT a license to sin. The grace that makes it so you can live in your old life and still be saved is not the gospel of grace Paul taught.
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Not hardly worker for....my bible teaches eternal justification not the weak, false dogma you espouse....and no one has said that grace is a license to sin....that is your own delusional stance and argument that no one has made
 
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You ex-Catholics who didn't like the condemnation of the works gospel of your former religious affiliation and came over to the Protestant side of the wall because you thought over here you not only have to have works when Jesus comes back and don't even have to be trusting Christ when he comes back, well, you're terribly mistaken. All you did was trade one lie for another.
 
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dcontroversal said:
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH wow....comedy hour with the I keep myself saved crew.....what a joke.....
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You're not very smart for a pastor.

Who told you trusting in Christ is you trying to save yourself? Look at what foolishness the church has come to? Now even trusting in Christ is you trying to save yourself. The church is a joke because of people like you.
 
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Ralph- said:
You ex-Catholics who didn't like the condemnation of the works gospel of your former religious affiliation and came over to the Protestant side of the wall because you thought over here you not only have to have works when Jesus comes back and don't even have to be trusting Christ when he comes back, well, you're terribly mistaken. All you did was trade one lie for another.
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Is that the best argument you can offer, rather silly.
 
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UnderGrace said:
Exactly, who would ever be able to keep themselves saved, such pride!!
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Since when is trusting in Christ you earning your own salvation? You people keep saying this and you can't produce a single verse of scripture to show me that my trusting in Christ is me trying to earn my own salvation.
 
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You're not very smart for a pastor.

Who told you trusting in Christ is you trying to save yourself? Look at what foolishness the church has come to? Now even trusting in Christ is you trying to save yourself. The church is a joke because of people like you.
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Wow you are twisting his words. o_O and resorting to ad hominem attacks ...why is that really?
 
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UnderGrace said:
Is that the best argument you can offer, rather silly.
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No it's not. I can see right through you folks. You were under a lot of condemnation (rightfully so, I suppose) and you thought becoming a Protestant was your relief from your obligation to walk in the Spirit. Well, you were wrong. Don't come over here and destroy Protestantism just because you have an aversion to the necessity to have continue to trust in Christ and have a life that reflects that trust.
 
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