Where Does Sin Come From?
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If God didn't want man to sin at all he would not have given him a soul.
He knew they would sin. He know the ending as well as the beginning. I was all thought out in his mind before he started creation. There is something to come of this life. God will have children with a disciplined soul, if you can understand that. If you can't I can break it down.
He knew they would sin. He know the ending as well as the beginning. I was all thought out in his mind before he started creation. There is something to come of this life. God will have children with a disciplined soul, if you can understand that. If you can't I can break it down.
All things are under God's sovereignty, that is true.
What do you think God's purpose was for giving Archangel Lucifer the desires of his heart and letting Lucifer live after he lost the war in Heaven? His punishment then rather than death for Lucifer and his follower angels being the casting out of Heaven so as to fall to Earth and here become lord.
Why?
What do you think God's purpose was for giving Archangel Lucifer the desires of his heart and letting Lucifer live after he lost the war in Heaven? His punishment then rather than death for Lucifer and his follower angels being the casting out of Heaven so as to fall to Earth and here become lord.
Why?
In a manner of speaking, yes.
The Archetypes of obedience, disobedience, righteousness, unrighteousness, that which has its counter, are that which communicate a God given rule of behavior and decorum for humankind. Obedience is right, or righteousness, the good. Disobedience is wrong, unrighteous, bad. That which goes against the good God has described as preferred is sin.
God therefore being the creator of right and wrong naturally created the confluence of rewards and penalties for each. That would mean for the wrong, it is called sin. Which is an immoral behavior or that which is contrary to the righteous rules of God.
The Archetypes of obedience, disobedience, righteousness, unrighteousness, that which has its counter, are that which communicate a God given rule of behavior and decorum for humankind. Obedience is right, or righteousness, the good. Disobedience is wrong, unrighteous, bad. That which goes against the good God has described as preferred is sin.
God therefore being the creator of right and wrong naturally created the confluence of rewards and penalties for each. That would mean for the wrong, it is called sin. Which is an immoral behavior or that which is contrary to the righteous rules of God.
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He gave man a soul.
If God didn't want man to sin at all he would not have given him a soul.
He knew they would sin. He know the ending as well as the beginning. I was all thought out in his mind before he started creation. There is something to come of this life. God will have children with a disciplined soul, if you can understand that. If you can't I can break it down.
If God didn't want man to sin at all he would not have given him a soul.
He knew they would sin. He know the ending as well as the beginning. I was all thought out in his mind before he started creation. There is something to come of this life. God will have children with a disciplined soul, if you can understand that. If you can't I can break it down.
Genesis 1:1 In the begining God created the heavens and earth.
Therefore God created the angels. One of them was Lucifer who thought himself equal or above God. He gathered 1/3 of the angels to himself. God then cast them out of heaven. Did you ever hear of Google?
Ezekiel 28 NIV
12 “Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says:
“‘You were the seal of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden,
the garden of God;
every precious stone adorned you:
carnelian, chrysolite and emerald,
topaz, onyx and jasper,
lapis lazuli, turquoise and beryl.
Your settings and mountings were made of gold;
on the day you were created they were prepared.
14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
16 Through your widespread trade
you were filled with violence,
and you sinned.
So I drove you in disgrace from the Law until of God,
and I expelled you, guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.
17 Your heart became proud
on account of your beauty,
and you corrupted your wisdom
because of your splendor.
So I threw you to the earth;
I made a spectacle of you before kings.
18 By your many sins and dishonest trade
you have desecrated your sanctuaries.
So I made a fire come out from you,
and it consumed you,
and I reduced you to ashes on the ground
in the sight of all who were watching.
19 All the nations who knew you
are appalled at you;
you have come to a horrible end
and will be no more.’”
Ezekiel 28:12 to 19 AMPC
12 Son of man, take up a lamentation over the king of Tyre and say to him, Thus says the Lord God: You are the full measure and pattern of exactness [giving the finishing touch to all that constitutes completeness], full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in [a]Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering, the carnelian, topaz, jasper, chrysolite, beryl, onyx, sapphire, carbuncle, and emerald; and your settings and your sockets and engravings were wrought in gold. On the day that you were created they were prepared.
14 You were the anointed cherub that covers with overshadowing [wings], and I set you so. You were upon the holy mountain of God; you walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire [like the paved work of gleaming sapphire stone upon which the God of Israel walked on Mount Sinai].
15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created until iniquity and guilt were found in you.
16 Through the abundance of your commerce you were filled with lawlessness and violence, and you sinned; therefore I cast you out as a profane thing from the mountain of God and the guardian cherub drove you out from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Your heart was proud and lifted up because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor. I cast you to the ground; I lay you before kings, that they might gaze at you.
18 You have profaned your sanctuaries by the multitude of your iniquities and the enormity of your guilt, by the unrighteousness of your trade. Therefore I have brought forth a fire from your midst; it has consumed you, and I have reduced you to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all who looked at you.
19 All who know you among the people are astonished and appalled at you; you have come to a horrible end and shall never return to being.
Isaiah 14:12 to 15 AMPC
12 How have you fallen from heaven, O light-bringer and daystar, son of the morning! How you have been cut down to the ground, you who weakened and laid low the nations [O blasphemous, satanic king of Babylon!]
13 And you said in your heart, I will ascend to heaven; I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will sit upon the mount of assembly in the uttermost north.
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.
15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol (Hades), to the innermost recesses of the pit (the region of the dead).
Isaiah 14:12 to 15 NIV
12 How you have fallen from heaven,
morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!
13 You said in your heart,
“I will ascend to the heavens;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon.
14 I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.”
15 But you are brought down to the realm of the dead,
to the depths of the pit.
Therefore God created the angels. One of them was Lucifer who thought himself equal or above God. He gathered 1/3 of the angels to himself. God then cast them out of heaven. Did you ever hear of Google?
Ezekiel 28 NIV
12 “Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says:
“‘You were the seal of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden,
the garden of God;
every precious stone adorned you:
carnelian, chrysolite and emerald,
topaz, onyx and jasper,
lapis lazuli, turquoise and beryl.
Your settings and mountings were made of gold;
on the day you were created they were prepared.
14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
16 Through your widespread trade
you were filled with violence,
and you sinned.
So I drove you in disgrace from the Law until of God,
and I expelled you, guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.
17 Your heart became proud
on account of your beauty,
and you corrupted your wisdom
because of your splendor.
So I threw you to the earth;
I made a spectacle of you before kings.
18 By your many sins and dishonest trade
you have desecrated your sanctuaries.
So I made a fire come out from you,
and it consumed you,
and I reduced you to ashes on the ground
in the sight of all who were watching.
19 All the nations who knew you
are appalled at you;
you have come to a horrible end
and will be no more.’”
Ezekiel 28:12 to 19 AMPC
12 Son of man, take up a lamentation over the king of Tyre and say to him, Thus says the Lord God: You are the full measure and pattern of exactness [giving the finishing touch to all that constitutes completeness], full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in [a]Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering, the carnelian, topaz, jasper, chrysolite, beryl, onyx, sapphire, carbuncle, and emerald; and your settings and your sockets and engravings were wrought in gold. On the day that you were created they were prepared.
14 You were the anointed cherub that covers with overshadowing [wings], and I set you so. You were upon the holy mountain of God; you walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire [like the paved work of gleaming sapphire stone upon which the God of Israel walked on Mount Sinai].
15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created until iniquity and guilt were found in you.
16 Through the abundance of your commerce you were filled with lawlessness and violence, and you sinned; therefore I cast you out as a profane thing from the mountain of God and the guardian cherub drove you out from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Your heart was proud and lifted up because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor. I cast you to the ground; I lay you before kings, that they might gaze at you.
18 You have profaned your sanctuaries by the multitude of your iniquities and the enormity of your guilt, by the unrighteousness of your trade. Therefore I have brought forth a fire from your midst; it has consumed you, and I have reduced you to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all who looked at you.
19 All who know you among the people are astonished and appalled at you; you have come to a horrible end and shall never return to being.
Isaiah 14:12 to 15 AMPC
12 How have you fallen from heaven, O light-bringer and daystar, son of the morning! How you have been cut down to the ground, you who weakened and laid low the nations [O blasphemous, satanic king of Babylon!]
13 And you said in your heart, I will ascend to heaven; I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will sit upon the mount of assembly in the uttermost north.
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.
15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol (Hades), to the innermost recesses of the pit (the region of the dead).
Isaiah 14:12 to 15 NIV
12 How you have fallen from heaven,
morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!
13 You said in your heart,
“I will ascend to the heavens;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon.
14 I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.”
15 But you are brought down to the realm of the dead,
to the depths of the pit.
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I absolutely do not confuse the two. Using the OPs form of logic I showed that by having foreknowledge of the outcome of creating satan god chose to make satan anyways. Therefore if God knew ahead of time what would happen and made him anyways then God made sin. That has nothing at all to do with free will.
If satan were not created sin would not exist. If man were not created next we would not have a world run rampant with evil and horrors and atrocities.
Yet God created satan. Then man. Knowing what would happen.
To say otherwise is contradictory.
If satan were not created sin would not exist. If man were not created next we would not have a world run rampant with evil and horrors and atrocities.
Yet God created satan. Then man. Knowing what would happen.
To say otherwise is contradictory.
Jam 1:13-15 "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death."
Matt 15:18-20 "But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile a man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications. thefts, false-witness, blasphemies: these are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man."
1 Cor 10:13 "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that which ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
Sin comes from the heart and does not come from the Lord because God does not tempt anyone to sin, but rather: makes a way to escape that we may be able to bear it.
Maranatha!
Matt 15:18-20 "But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile a man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications. thefts, false-witness, blasphemies: these are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man."
1 Cor 10:13 "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that which ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
Sin comes from the heart and does not come from the Lord because God does not tempt anyone to sin, but rather: makes a way to escape that we may be able to bear it.
Maranatha!
Actually, the biblical view is that it comes from our body.
Satan can be personally involved in some special events (like the temptation of Christ), but he does not have to be involved in our desire to look at a nice young girl in a miniskirt. This desire is in our body (chemistry, brain, instincts).
"Those who live according to the flesh [not according to satan] have their minds set on what the flesh [not satan] desires..."
"For the flesh [not satan] desires what is contrary to the Spirit..."
R 8:5, Gal 5:17
After we realize that the struggle is against our inner and natural constitution, we will be able to understand it better.
Satan can be personally involved in some special events (like the temptation of Christ), but he does not have to be involved in our desire to look at a nice young girl in a miniskirt. This desire is in our body (chemistry, brain, instincts).
"Those who live according to the flesh [not according to satan] have their minds set on what the flesh [not satan] desires..."
"For the flesh [not satan] desires what is contrary to the Spirit..."
R 8:5, Gal 5:17
After we realize that the struggle is against our inner and natural constitution, we will be able to understand it better.
Satan can TEMPT through your body parts that (eyes..mouth etc) that can involve the brain n be manifest in action (when we sin) FIRST the idea has to be planted in the brain...who does that ..Satan. Because anything that "destroys" us n is not good is NOT of God but of Satan..the body is a vessel to be used by either or..but yes..the "flesh" is weak and caves to many temptations..
Temptation can, of course, be in various circumstances. Anybody (satan, people, events etc) can make your circumstances to be tempting.
But its your flesh that desires this or that. You must say no to the flesh. To yourself. We are evil, we have corrupted hearts. We cannot put this guilt to some external being.
But its your flesh that desires this or that. You must say no to the flesh. To yourself. We are evil, we have corrupted hearts. We cannot put this guilt to some external being.