And yes..what a man eats..shelter ..lifestyle ALL affects him on a cellular molecular level..out bones tissues muscles blood etc. Brain is tissue..what we eat drink smoke etc affect tissue..not saying anything about the psychological chemistry..so HOW can you save theres no such thing as evolving? Again this is all basic history and zooligy n biology..
The Lie of Evolution......
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ev·o·lu·tion
ˌevəˈlo͞oSH(ə)n/Submit
noun
1.
the process by which different kinds of living organisms are thought to have developed and diversified from earlier forms during the history of the earth.
synonyms: Darwinism, natural selection
"his interest in evolution"
2.
the gradual development of something, especially from a simple to a more complex form.
"the forms of written languages undergo constant evolution"
synonyms: development, advancement, growth, rise, progress, expansion, unfolding; More
Has this NOT been the definition of what ive been describing all day? Yes..it is..DARWYN EVOLUTION is different..based on "NATURAL SELECTION".. RIGHT?
Again...there are various forms of "evolution" so im not WRONG im just not talking about Darwyns theory of evolution which youd know because i quoted and posted scripture in genesis regarding the OPs question .AND..if you read my replies..youd KNOW i believe in creationism the way the Bible says...(HAD you read my posts like you claimed)..i think my point has been made quite a few times now so there shouldnt be any further questions...
Btw..i DID use the word that man had to adapt..reas that post?
ev·o·lu·tion
ˌevəˈlo͞oSH(ə)n/Submit
noun
1.
the process by which different kinds of living organisms are thought to have developed and diversified from earlier forms during the history of the earth.
synonyms: Darwinism, natural selection
"his interest in evolution"
2.
the gradual development of something, especially from a simple to a more complex form.
"the forms of written languages undergo constant evolution"
synonyms: development, advancement, growth, rise, progress, expansion, unfolding; More
Has this NOT been the definition of what ive been describing all day? Yes..it is..DARWYN EVOLUTION is different..based on "NATURAL SELECTION".. RIGHT?
Again...there are various forms of "evolution" so im not WRONG im just not talking about Darwyns theory of evolution which youd know because i quoted and posted scripture in genesis regarding the OPs question .AND..if you read my replies..youd KNOW i believe in creationism the way the Bible says...(HAD you read my posts like you claimed)..i think my point has been made quite a few times now so there shouldnt be any further questions...
Btw..i DID use the word that man had to adapt..reas that post?
Jewel and UnderGrace:
Respectfully, could you please BOTH read my post #203 and choose a definition to work with. I honestly think you are both on the same side and are battling each other quite unnecessarily. The word "evolution" really does have several meanings or senses. It makes no sense to argue "sense A" if the other person is thinking "sense C" (or vice versa).
If you aren't both using the same sense, arguing back and forth isn't going to help anything.
Respectfully, could you please BOTH read my post #203 and choose a definition to work with. I honestly think you are both on the same side and are battling each other quite unnecessarily. The word "evolution" really does have several meanings or senses. It makes no sense to argue "sense A" if the other person is thinking "sense C" (or vice versa).
If you aren't both using the same sense, arguing back and forth isn't going to help anything.
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Jewel and UnderGrace:
Respectfully, could you please BOTH read my post #203 and choose a definition to work with. I honestly think you are both on the same side and are battling each other quite unnecessarily. The word "evolution" really does have several meanings or senses. It makes no sense to argue "sense A" if the other person is thinking "sense C" (or vice versa).
If you aren't both using the same sense, arguing back and forth isn't going to help anything.
Respectfully, could you please BOTH read my post #203 and choose a definition to work with. I honestly think you are both on the same side and are battling each other quite unnecessarily. The word "evolution" really does have several meanings or senses. It makes no sense to argue "sense A" if the other person is thinking "sense C" (or vice versa).
If you aren't both using the same sense, arguing back and forth isn't going to help anything.
Hmmmm not always.
If some animal looses its tail during evolution, its actually getting simpler, but more effective regarding the needs of the animal and regarding the environment the animal is living in. So I think it can go both ways, but generally yes, evolving is getting to "higher" complexity, mostly.
If some animal looses its tail during evolution, its actually getting simpler, but more effective regarding the needs of the animal and regarding the environment the animal is living in. So I think it can go both ways, but generally yes, evolving is getting to "higher" complexity, mostly.
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Some say that the theory of evolution is not science, because it cannot be observed, repeated, experimented etc. etc., common YEC agruments.
in science, we need some model (scientific theory) that allows us to make predictions so that we can work with it and so it can be useful for us.
For example, Einstein was able to predict the existence of gravity waves based on his model and we have measured them for the first time last year.
Such predictions are what makes scientific model to be scientific. Evolution theory allows humanity to make various predictions in various fields, for example in development of medical treatments, in fighting with cancer, in antibiotics, in archeology, in psychology, sociology, in genetics, in ecology, in geology, in agriculture etc.
Its also consistent with other branches of science and therefore the model works and thats what is important in science.
The problem with YEC model is that it does not allow any useful predictions that can be used in broad areas of sciences. It does not help with anything except with some kind of YEC apologetics.
in science, we need some model (scientific theory) that allows us to make predictions so that we can work with it and so it can be useful for us.
For example, Einstein was able to predict the existence of gravity waves based on his model and we have measured them for the first time last year.
Such predictions are what makes scientific model to be scientific. Evolution theory allows humanity to make various predictions in various fields, for example in development of medical treatments, in fighting with cancer, in antibiotics, in archeology, in psychology, sociology, in genetics, in ecology, in geology, in agriculture etc.
Its also consistent with other branches of science and therefore the model works and thats what is important in science.
The problem with YEC model is that it does not allow any useful predictions that can be used in broad areas of sciences. It does not help with anything except with some kind of YEC apologetics.
Do you mean like your hypothesis that the word of God is written in 2 Peter 1:20 and is about the origin of prophesy? I thought the origin of prophesy was referenced in 2 Peter 1:18, but then again, I can't hear out of one ear and am dead in the other so it is easy to see how I might have heard it wrong.
interpretation: the action of explaining the meaning of something.
hypothesis: a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation.
Source: Google search
Since you would not charaterize it as an hypothesis but something different, then how would you charaterize someone who reads the Bible and then claims what God meant by the scripture and then proceeds to say this is the word of God? By characterize, I mean how would you describe it as: teaching, expressing an opinion, interpreting or prophesying.
I agree with your definition of 'Prophesy of Scripture' means the scripture of prophesy;
So if a person reads the scriptures and begins telling others that God said this any different than if that person begins telling others God said this without ever having read the Bible? Hopefully your answer will be that there is no difference since both are telling you this is the word of God.
But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
Deut 18:20
While my hypothesis is that there is a thin line between expressing one's opinion and prophesy of the scripture, but there is a gulf on either side of that line.
I wasn't telling the other member that they were not entitled to their own opinion, or that they couldn't interpret the scriptures any way they want. As far as your apology, you were forgiven before you asked, and if necessary it was given before you offered.
interpretation: the action of explaining the meaning of something.
hypothesis: a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation.
Source: Google search
Since you would not charaterize it as an hypothesis but something different, then how would you charaterize someone who reads the Bible and then claims what God meant by the scripture and then proceeds to say this is the word of God? By characterize, I mean how would you describe it as: teaching, expressing an opinion, interpreting or prophesying.
I agree with your definition of 'Prophesy of Scripture' means the scripture of prophesy;
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
yet the scripture isn't refering unto the 'prophesy of scripture' but rather "prophesy' of the scripture;Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
So if a person reads the scriptures and begins telling others that God said this any different than if that person begins telling others God said this without ever having read the Bible? Hopefully your answer will be that there is no difference since both are telling you this is the word of God.
But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
Deut 18:20
While my hypothesis is that there is a thin line between expressing one's opinion and prophesy of the scripture, but there is a gulf on either side of that line.
I wasn't telling the other member that they were not entitled to their own opinion, or that they couldn't interpret the scriptures any way they want. As far as your apology, you were forgiven before you asked, and if necessary it was given before you offered.
Jewel and UnderGrace:
Respectfully, could you please BOTH read my post #203 and choose a definition to work with. I honestly think you are both on the same side and are battling each other quite unnecessarily. The word "evolution" really does have several meanings or senses. It makes no sense to argue "sense A" if the other person is thinking "sense C" (or vice versa).
If you aren't both using the same sense, arguing back and forth isn't going to help anything.
Respectfully, could you please BOTH read my post #203 and choose a definition to work with. I honestly think you are both on the same side and are battling each other quite unnecessarily. The word "evolution" really does have several meanings or senses. It makes no sense to argue "sense A" if the other person is thinking "sense C" (or vice versa).
If you aren't both using the same sense, arguing back and forth isn't going to help anything.
i just get frustrated when i have to keep repeating myself 6 times..@UnderGrace...the OP maybe shouldve been a little more specific DARWINS THEORY OF EVOLUTION IS A LIE..which has been debated between christians n scientist for YEARS..lol ..its a debate that will NEVER be settled here or elsewhere..lol
Creation Ministries International is a multinational science based Christian organization. They uses science to defend Genesis 1:1 In the begining God created the heavens and earth. ICR is another smaller one based in Texas. Science my friend. I'm surprised you would even think big bang evolution has any semblance of reality. I keep the following to refute all versions of non Biblical and non scientific evolution. You asked for it you got it.
Scientific Christian Websites
Creation Ministries International
A science based Christian organization dedicated to proving the Bible especially Genesis.
Who we are: the people involved in offices in:
Australia, Canada, New Zealand, South Africa, UK/Europe, and United States
http://creation.com/about-us
http://creation.com
https://creation.com/flaws-in-dating-the-earth-as-ancient
https://creation.com/startling-evidence-for-noahs-flood
https://creation.com/genesis-as-ancient-historical-narrative
Five Atheist Miracles are Required for Evolution
http://creation.com/five-atheist-miracles
Refute these scientific laws or admit you are placing your faith in the impossible.
Keep in mind that if I am wrong how does that hurt me?
However if you are wrong you are in deep dodo.
More science based Christian sites proving atheism is wrong and refuting big bang evolution
Evidence for Creation
http://www.icr.org/evidence/
http://creation.com/archaeology-supports-bible
Hidden treasures in junk DNA - not useless after all
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/hidden-treasures-in-junk-dna/
http://healthland.time.com/2012/09/06/junk-dna-not-so-useless-after-all/
Big Bang Busted by 33 Top Scientists
http://rense.com/general53/bbng.htm
Additional Scientists Sign Up
https://web.archive.org/web/20140401081546/http://cosmologystatement.org/
Things found in coal etc.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Hammer
http://www.genesispark.com/exhibits/evidence/paleontological/artifacts/bell/
http://www.6000years.org/frame.php?page=stuff_in_coal
Institute for Creation Research
Dallas Texas
Created to do scientific research, education, and communication on the Bible.
http://www.icr.org/who-we-are
icr.org
OOPARTS
(out of place artifacts) & Ancient HighTechnology
Provides proof that the Bible is factual using the existence of items demonstrating old earth is flawed.
http://s8int.com
An Intro to GodSaidManSaid
Article#: 562
The confusion is enormous. The cumulative heaps of distortion are mind-boggling and lies have become "truth." Is man able to find absolute truth?
Welcome to GodSaidManSaid.
Today there are over 1,700 religious sects, cults and denominations confessing to be the bearers of light, yet most are in contradiction with one another. A man or woman seeking the truth is like a rat in a maze of 1,700-plus roads with only one reaching the "God" destination. Many will assume theirs is the correct one. Your chances are not good.
Fortunately, the God who created all things has written a book-an owner's manual, which is commonly known as the Holy Bible. This majority-text holy writ is the living, inerrant word of the living God.
The purpose of this web site is to prove scientifically, scholastically, and pragmatically that the Bible is authored by the finger of God, is perfect in its entirety, and will hold all men accountable to God at a fast approaching judgment day.
Http://Godsaidmansaid.com
Scientific Christian Websites
Creation Ministries International
A science based Christian organization dedicated to proving the Bible especially Genesis.
Who we are: the people involved in offices in:
Australia, Canada, New Zealand, South Africa, UK/Europe, and United States
http://creation.com/about-us
http://creation.com
https://creation.com/flaws-in-dating-the-earth-as-ancient
https://creation.com/startling-evidence-for-noahs-flood
https://creation.com/genesis-as-ancient-historical-narrative
Five Atheist Miracles are Required for Evolution
http://creation.com/five-atheist-miracles
Refute these scientific laws or admit you are placing your faith in the impossible.
Keep in mind that if I am wrong how does that hurt me?
However if you are wrong you are in deep dodo.
More science based Christian sites proving atheism is wrong and refuting big bang evolution
Evidence for Creation
http://www.icr.org/evidence/
http://creation.com/archaeology-supports-bible
Hidden treasures in junk DNA - not useless after all
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/hidden-treasures-in-junk-dna/
http://healthland.time.com/2012/09/06/junk-dna-not-so-useless-after-all/
Big Bang Busted by 33 Top Scientists
http://rense.com/general53/bbng.htm
Additional Scientists Sign Up
https://web.archive.org/web/20140401081546/http://cosmologystatement.org/
Things found in coal etc.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Hammer
http://www.genesispark.com/exhibits/evidence/paleontological/artifacts/bell/
http://www.6000years.org/frame.php?page=stuff_in_coal
Institute for Creation Research
Dallas Texas
Created to do scientific research, education, and communication on the Bible.
http://www.icr.org/who-we-are
icr.org
OOPARTS
(out of place artifacts) & Ancient HighTechnology
Provides proof that the Bible is factual using the existence of items demonstrating old earth is flawed.
http://s8int.com
An Intro to GodSaidManSaid
Article#: 562
The confusion is enormous. The cumulative heaps of distortion are mind-boggling and lies have become "truth." Is man able to find absolute truth?
Welcome to GodSaidManSaid.
Today there are over 1,700 religious sects, cults and denominations confessing to be the bearers of light, yet most are in contradiction with one another. A man or woman seeking the truth is like a rat in a maze of 1,700-plus roads with only one reaching the "God" destination. Many will assume theirs is the correct one. Your chances are not good.
Fortunately, the God who created all things has written a book-an owner's manual, which is commonly known as the Holy Bible. This majority-text holy writ is the living, inerrant word of the living God.
The purpose of this web site is to prove scientifically, scholastically, and pragmatically that the Bible is authored by the finger of God, is perfect in its entirety, and will hold all men accountable to God at a fast approaching judgment day.
Http://Godsaidmansaid.com