An Appeal: Lift the ban on Hyper-Grace

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eternally-gratefull

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amen that's what I'm saying
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Ok, but you were tyring to apply my remission of sins via grace, to OT conditional remision to sins via the law when they are not related.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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And do not forget, while redemption is eternal (Hebrews 9:12), remission is only from sins that are past (Romans 3:25)
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This was only true in the OT, it is noty true today, rom 3: 25 epeaks of sins commited pre-cross. Not my previous sin.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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unconditional
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Then you believe in hypergrace. Because if it is eternal, then it is more than enough to sustain us, ie, hyper.

I believe I give people grace. But of my own, it is not hyper. I only have so much grace ti give, and it is conditional. I need enough grace from God to forgive me and much more left over to take that grace and pass it on to others.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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read posts 101 and 102 for a proper understanding of how hyper grace operates

people are just making up stuff now and do not understand where the problem lies
 
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7seasrekeyed

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hyper grace is not OSAS

don't confuse the two

probably time this thread was closed as its purpose is past and we are not supposed to be discussing hyper anything

again, posts 101 and 102 give an excellent understanding to why they doctrine is harmful so no need to rehash everything again?

sounds like a few folk from the 'not by works' thread decided to come on over and rehash their endless musings in this thread but if you think OSAS is the same as hypergrace, you are not understanding what hypergrace is
 
BenFTW

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7seasrekeyed said:
hyper grace is not OSAS

don't confuse the two

probably time this thread was closed as its purpose is past and we are not supposed to be discussing hyper anything

again, posts 101 and 102 give an excellent understanding to why they doctrine is harmful so no need to rehash everything again?

sounds like a few folk from the 'not by works' thread decided to come on over and rehash their endless musings in this thread but if you think OSAS is the same as hypergrace, you are not understanding what hypergrace is
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There are similarities between OSAS and so called hyper-grace, in that total forgiveness of all sin is taught which points to justification (right standing with God). An on-going state before God, mind you, so there is no separation between the Father and His children. Hence, once saved always saved.

I agree with you though, I don't mind this thread being closed. It has served its purpose and it may or may not get the desired result. Either way, we are free to discuss God's grace so its all good.
 
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BenFTW said:
There are similarities between OSAS and so called hyper-grace, in that total forgiveness of all sin is taught which points to justification (right standing with God). An on-going state before God, mind you, so there is no separation between the Father and His children. Hence, once saved always saved.

I agree with you though, I don't mind this thread being closed. It has served its purpose and it may or may not get the desired result. Either way, we are free to discuss God's grace so its all good.
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BenFTW said:
There are similarities between OSAS and so called hyper-grace, in that total forgiveness of all sin is taught which points to justification (right standing with God). An on-going state before God, mind you, so there is no separation between the Father and His children. Hence, once saved always saved.

I agree with you though, I don't mind this thread being closed. It has served its purpose and it may or may not get the desired result. Either way, we are free to discuss God's grace so its all good.
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Romans 8:35-39 says so
 
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7seasrekeyed

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BenFTW said:
There are similarities between OSAS and so called hyper-grace, in that total forgiveness of all sin is taught which points to justification (right standing with God). An on-going state before God, mind you, so there is no separation between the Father and His children. Hence, once saved always saved.

I agree with you though, I don't mind this thread being closed. It has served its purpose and it may or may not get the desired result. Either way, we are free to discuss God's grace so its all good.
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right

but OSAS does not = automatic hg but similarities is true

about closing the thread...not trying to get that done...was reflecting on the OSAS argument introduced. we don't need another one of those

we are free to discuss all aspects of God :)
 
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BenFTW said:
There are similarities between OSAS and so called hyper-grace, in that total forgiveness of all sin is taught which points to justification (right standing with God). An on-going state before God, mind you, so there is no separation between the Father and His children. Hence, once saved always saved.
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...only if you keep believing. That is what 'once saved always saved' used to teach. That's the 'P' in Calvinism's TULIP doctrine. But in this new Hypergrace version of 'once saved always saved' you do not have to keep on believing to be saved. It says you do not have to live for God and you can go back to the world in unbelief and you are still saved. Did you know this?

I'm pretty sure the popular acceptance of 'once saved always saved' is how Hypergrace doctrine crept into the church unawares in these last few years. People hear the 'once saved always saved' part of Hypergrace doctrine and so immediately accept it, not knowing how vastly different and contradictory Hypergrace's version of 'once saved always saved' is from what the Reformed church has believed and taught about it for centuries.
 
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Ralph-

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And do not forget, while redemption is eternal (Hebrews 9:12), remission is only from sins that are past (Romans 3:25)
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...and present. Your future sins, when you commit them, will become your present sins which immediately get covered by the blood of Christ, if you are still trusting in the blood to do that for you.
 
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Ralph-

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unconditional
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Everybody has to satisfy a certain condition in order to get God's grace in justification/salvation. It is not unconditional. It is only unconditional in regard to works.
 
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we feel that 'Ben' needs much prayer, not to mention understanding hearts, for he is
obviously being manipulated and conceding accordingly, although we pray that he is,
as most are, 'un-aware' of this demonic ploy...
 
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So nobody has any comment on these Scriptures:

--Romans 1 to 5:12 covers the topic of "sinS"

--Romans 5:12 - chpt 8-end covers the topic of "Sin"
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I see a lot of "he says, she says..." :rolleyes:
 
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UnderGrace

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LW97 said:
And do not forget, while redemption is eternal (Hebrews 9:12), remission is only from sins that are past (Romans 3:25)
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All sins are forgiven past present and future, Romans 3:25 is not stating only a person's past sins are remitted.
 
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UnderGrace

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Ralph- said:
Everybody has to satisfy a certain condition in order to get God's grace in justification/salvation. It is not unconditional. It is only unconditional in regard to works.
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What exactly is this condition?? Do tell...inquiring minds want to know:unsure:

Oh wait.... it just came to me "keep on believing" this is the only way to stay regenerated, justified and sanctified because God is not able to do it without our ongoing belief. Yes it is a system of ongoing "quid pro quo"

It is not enough to believe that salvation is received as a secure eternal gift...oh no.... our very own ongoing belief keeps us regenerated, justified and sanctified.

Is that a system of works :unsure: something I have to maintain to be keep the gift?

Good thing the One True Wonderful God is much more gracious, loving and able than this false demi-god.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Ralph- said:
...only if you keep believing. That is what 'once saved always saved' used to teach. That's the 'P' in Calvinism's TULIP doctrine. But in this new Hypergrace version of 'once saved always saved' you do not have to keep on believing to be saved. It says you do not have to live for God and you can go back to the world in unbelief and you are still saved. Did you know this?

I'm pretty sure the popular acceptance of 'once saved always saved' is how Hypergrace doctrine crept into the church unawares in these last few years. People hear the 'once saved always saved' part of Hypergrace doctrine and so immediately accept it, not knowing how vastly different and contradictory Hypergrace's version of 'once saved always saved' is from what the Reformed church has believed and taught about it for centuries.
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great

just trotting off to bed and now that Journey song is playing somewhere between one ear and the other

well, hold on to that feeling
 
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7seasrekeyed

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this thread is sounding like

'my god is bigger than your god'

that kitten has claws and Ralph will not sleep tonight if you don't let him win

go home. you're both wrong

Ben has left the thread

be like Ben
 
dcontroversal

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GRACE.....<---multiple applications in scripture....one thing I believe many miss concerning grace is that it is a POSITION that believers are placed into upon salvation....Romans 5 states is is a place wherein we now STAND....Ephesians equates it to a position...In the grace you are having been saved out of faith, the bible also applies it in a manner that saves...we are saved by grace......God deals with us as children after we have been born from above and this is the application of grace in our lives....In a funny kind of way we are allowed a GRACE PERIOD in our lives as believers when we sin before God chastens us.....haha anyway...just figured I would throw this in the ring.....
 
dcontroversal

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UnderGrace said:
What exactly is this condition?? Do tell...inquiring minds want to know:unsure:

Oh wait.... it just came to me "keep on believing" this is the only way to stay regenerated, justified and sanctified because God is not able to do it without our ongoing belief. Yes it is a system of ongoing "quid pro quo"

It is not enough to believe that salvation is received as a secure eternal gift...oh no.... our very own ongoing belief keeps us regenerated, justified and sanctified.

Is that a system of works :unsure: something I have to maintain to be keep the gift?

Good thing the One True Wonderful God is much more gracious, loving and able than this false demi-god.
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Amen....I won't even read that drivel anymore....it devalues my God and it totally devalues the work, power, promises, blood, faith of Christ.....a complete slap in the face to Jesus!
 
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