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Jewel5712

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New International Version 1984 1 Corinthians 14:26-40 Orderly Worship What then shall we say, brothers? When you come together, everyone has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. All of these must be done for the strengthening of the church. If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God. Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored. Therefore, my brothers, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.

New International Version 1984 1 Timothy 5:11-15 As for younger widows, do not put them on such a list. For when their sensual desires overcome their dedication to Christ, they want to marry. Thus they bring judgment on themselves, because they have broken their first pledge. Besides, they get into the habit of being idle and going about from house to house. And not only do they become idlers, but also GOSSIPS and busybodies, saying things they ought not to. So I counsel younger widows to marry, to have children, to manage their homes and to give the enemy no opportunity for SLANDER. Some have in fact already turned away to follow Satan.
Ahhhhh. A man truly bound by the law...
 

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Ahhhhh. A man truly bound by the law...
The Faith of the Centurion

5 When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. 6 “Lord,” he said, “my servant lies at home paralyzed, suffering terribly.”

7 Jesus said to him, “Shall I come and heal him?”

8 The centurion replied, “Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But JUST SAY THE WORD., and my servant will be healed. 9 For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”

10 When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

13 Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go! Let it be done just as you believed it would.” And his servant was healed at that moment.


IS THIS THE KIND OF FAITH THiS “WALKING DEAD” THEOLOGY TEACHES?


DO THEY ACKNOWLEDGE AUTHORITY WHENEVER THEY SAY THAT OBEDIENCE TO GOD IS NEVER A PART OF SALVATION?


romans 13

13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.


...DO THEY SAY TO GOD, “JUST SAY THE WORD…?


NO! THEY WOULD REJECT THE WORD AND BELIEVE RATHER ON FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES.


THE LORD JESUS SAID;


matthew 19

17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”


john 14

15 “If you love me, keep my commands


luke 6

46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?


john 12

47 “If anyone hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day. 49 For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. 50 I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.”

john 8
47 He who belongs to God hears what God says.The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
 

Jewel5712

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The Faith of the Centurion

5 When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. 6 “Lord,” he said, “my servant lies at home paralyzed, suffering terribly.”

7 Jesus said to him, “Shall I come and heal him?”

8 The centurion replied, “Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But JUST SAY THE WORD., and my servant will be healed. 9 For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”

10 When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

13 Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go! Let it be done just as you believed it would.” And his servant was healed at that moment.


IS THIS THE KIND OF FAITH THiS “WALKING DEAD” THEOLOGY TEACHES?


DO THEY ACKNOWLEDGE AUTHORITY WHENEVER THEY SAY THAT OBEDIENCE TO GOD IS NEVER A PART OF SALVATION?


romans 13

13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.


...DO THEY SAY TO GOD, “JUST SAY THE WORD…?


NO! THEY WOULD REJECT THE WORD AND BELIEVE RATHER ON FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES.


THE LORD JESUS SAID;


matthew 19

17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”


john 14

15 “If you love me, keep my commands


luke 6

46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?


john 12

47 “If anyone hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day. 49 For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. 50 I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.”

john 8
47 He who belongs to God hears what God says.The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
But yet..was it YOU that..said the God doesnt speak to people anymore? If it was..you just contradicted your pwn story..if it wasnt..my bad..
 
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That is your error. Works are attached when the HS tells you to do good works. It is not to gain, keep, embellish, top off or finish salvation, but if you are not engaged in good works, you will not see EL.

Our new person in Christ will be engaged in good works for the right reason. So if you are not engaged in good works for the right reason, then the only thing we can say, is you were never saved in the first place. Right?

So get baptized of the HS, get faith, get trust and get to work. That is all I have said since the beginning.
The bible supports that path to EL.
No offense, but you don't know what you are talking about....and most of what you said does not pass the smell test!
 

Jewel5712

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I NEVER SAID THAT.

THE WORD IS ALIVE.
Im not talking bout speaking through the Bible but audibly...it was either you or Slayer you both say the same things over..and over..and OVER again..
 

Jewel5712

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@Magenta

DO YOU THINK


THAT IF i wrote

LIKE THIS IN CAPS


AND LOTS OF SPACING


THAT PEOPLE ARE

MORE APT TO TAKE

ME SERIOUSLY?????


:):):):):)

Just womdering..
 

VCO

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While I appreciate your informative post . . . I'm not sure why you would think I am still a Mormon - they do not admire the precious blood of the Saviour, they think He is the spirit brother of Satan.

Looks like you jumped!!
No, you just forgot to say how you got saved, by whom, and anyone can use the name. I gave you the information, just in case, you did not KNOW how many Christian Terms are REPLICATED and GIVEN a DIFFERENT MEANING by the Mormon Church. I always take it serious, when someone comes into the Family of GOD, from a cult outside the Family of GOD, because they are FAMOUS for wanting to appear Christian, and they will later try to switch you over to there way of thinking. You did not explain that they also believe that Jesus and his so-called Brother Satan, both sit on the COUNCIL OF THE GODS, which Joseph Smith literally DREAMED UP. Like I said, their fake christian-terminology is their main tool, with a different secret meanings, and it is all a part of their BAIT AND SWITCH THEOLOGY.

Isaiah 43:10-12 (HCSB)
10 “You are My witnesses”— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— “and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. No god was formed before Me, and there will be none after Me.
11 I, I am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me.
12 I alone declared, saved, and proclaimed— and not some {fictious} foreign god among you. So you are My witnesses”— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— “and I am God.


So my post was designed to give you a chance to explain.