Not By Works

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

calibob

Sinner saved by grace
May 29, 2018
8,268
5,516
113
Anaheim, Cali.
Aw, shucks. Does that mean you were not able to listen to the Joni Mitchell vids you inspired me to post last night?
It was the first thing that came to mind when I saw the morning clowds rolling by. I was in high school during Woodstock! But I can still remember clear as a bell.
 

Jewel5712

Well-known member
Jun 22, 2018
4,091
2,275
113
No, you just forgot to say how you got saved, by whom, and anyone can use the name. I gave you the information, just in case, you did not KNOW how many Christian Terms are REPLICATED and GIVEN a DIFFERENT MEANING by the Mormon Church. I always take it serious, when someone comes into the Family of GOD, from a cult outside the Family of GOD, because they are FAMOUS for wanting to appear Christian, and they will later try to switch you over to there way of thinking. You did not explain that they also believe that Jesus and his so-called Brother Satan, both sit on the COUNCIL OF THE GODS, which Joseph Smith literally DREAMED UP. Like I said, their fake christian-terminology is their main tool, with a different secret meanings, and it is all a part of their BAIT AND SWITCH THEOLOGY.

Isaiah 43:10-12 (HCSB)
10 “You are My witnesses”— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— “and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. No god was formed before Me, and there will be none after Me.
11 I, I am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me.
12 I alone declared, saved, and proclaimed— and not some {fictious} foreign god among you. So you are My witnesses”— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— “and I am God.


So my post was designed to give you a chance to explain.
He DID say he wasnt a morman anymore..if you needed more details before your mormon sermon..you shouldve ASKED him....and im gonna call your bluff and say youre full of BOLOGNA especially when you say ypur "post was designed to give him a chamce to explain".YOU JUMPED..got called on it and now trying to "save face"..lol
 

Magenta

Senior Member
Jul 3, 2015
60,322
29,575
113
It was the first thing that came to mind when I saw the morning clowds rolling by. I was in high school during Woodstock! But I can still remember clear as a bell.
I was fourteen and wanted to go, but knew better than to even think of asking :giggle: BTW, listening to a young Joni sing those songs, and watching her perform in those vids I posted last night, brought tears to my eyes... aahhhhh, such sweetness!
 

VCO

Senior Member
Oct 14, 2013
11,995
4,615
113
He DID say he wasnt a morman anymore..if you needed more details before your mormon sermon..you shouldve ASKED him..
I did ask, you are the one that is out of line.
 

Seohce

Senior Member
Jul 15, 2016
1,386
54
48
TO THE DOUBLE TALKING LIARS

The Sin and Doom of Ungodly People

jude 1

3 Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people. 4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, WHO PERVERT THE ĢRACE OF OUR GOD INTO A LICENSE FOR IMMORALITY and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

5 Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

8 In the very same way, on the strength of their dreams these ungodly people pollute their own bodies, reject authority and heap abuse on celestial beings. 9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” 10 Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct—as irrational animals do—will destroy them.

11 Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error; they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion.

12 These people are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead. 13 They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.

14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” 16 These people are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.

17 But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.


titus 1

16 They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, DISOBEDIENT and unfit for doing anything good.


ephesians 5

6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7 Therefore do not be partners with them.
 

calibob

Sinner saved by grace
May 29, 2018
8,268
5,516
113
Anaheim, Cali.
I was fourteen and wanted to go, but knew better than to even think of asking :giggle: BTW, listening to a young Joni sing those songs, and watching her perform in those vids I posted last night, brought tears to my eyes... aahhhhh, such sweetness!
I recently had a major system failure. It got so hot in my motor home that tv & computer circuits fried. My son in law with my help built one out of spare parts but insects the size of fleas had eaten the paper the speakers were made of and most of the mad money for the mounth has already been spent on moving expences so I tap on my keypad, look out the window and look for something to do till the money gets right side up again.
 

Jewel5712

Well-known member
Jun 22, 2018
4,091
2,275
113
TO THE DOUBLE TALKING LIARS

The Sin and Doom of Ungodly People

jude 1

3 Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people. 4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, WHO PERVERT THE ĢRACE OF OUR GOD INTO A LICENSE FOR IMMORALITY and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

5 Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

8 In the very same way, on the strength of their dreams these ungodly people pollute their own bodies, reject authority and heap abuse on celestial beings. 9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” 10 Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct—as irrational animals do—will destroy them.

11 Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error; they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion.

12 These people are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead. 13 They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.

14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” 16 These people are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.

17 But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.


titus 1

16 They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, DISOBEDIENT and unfit for doing anything good.


ephesians 5

6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7 Therefore do not be partners with them.
Lol..you copy n pasted this one too from yesterday!
 

Magenta

Senior Member
Jul 3, 2015
60,322
29,575
113
I recently had a major system failure. It got so hot in my motor home that tv & computer circuits fried. My son in law with my help built one out of spare parts but insects the size of fleas had eaten the paper the speakers were made of and most of the mad money for the mounth has already been spent on moving expences so I tap on my keypad, look out the window and look for something to do till the money gets right side up again.
I am sorry to hear that... do you not have a set of small ear phones you can plug into your device? That is so sad, to be without sound :(
 

calibob

Sinner saved by grace
May 29, 2018
8,268
5,516
113
Anaheim, Cali.
Do you not have a set of small ear phones you can plug into your device? That is so sad, to be without sound :(
Not, They won't stay in my ears. I had some headphones like the ones that cover the entire ears but they got 86ed during the move before we finished this system last friday. I only suscribe to you tube and net flix but they are worthless without sound. Next month I'll be styin' though.
 

Seohce

Senior Member
Jul 15, 2016
1,386
54
48
Lol..you copy n pasted this one too from yesterday!
WE'RE YOU ABLE TO HEAR AND RELATE TO IT?

New International Version 1984 Matthew 13:18-23 “Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path. The one who received the seed that fell on rocky places is the man who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away. The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful. But the one who received the seed that fell on good soil is the man who hears the word and understands it. He produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.”
 

Jewel5712

Well-known member
Jun 22, 2018
4,091
2,275
113
WE'RE YOU ABLE TO HEAR AND RELATE TO IT?

New International Version 1984 Matthew 13:18-23 “Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path. The one who received the seed that fell on rocky places is the man who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away. The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful. But the one who received the seed that fell on good soil is the man who hears the word and understands it. He produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.”
I dont even read them anymore..if i dont agree with them the FIRST time you post it..I certainly wont the 2nd or 3rd time you post it either..lol..good try..lol
 

VCO

Senior Member
Oct 14, 2013
11,995
4,615
113
Jewel5712,

You would do well, if you were to read HOW DANGEROUS CULTS can be, so you have to check them out.

Dave Hunt so clearly pointed out in his book: "The Seduction of Christianity" and in a video about his Book, said, "If you had a Witch Doctor in all of his Feathers and War Paint, come into this Church and try to take over the Pulpit; two you men would grab Him by each arm, and throw him literally out the front door. What I worry about, is IF THAT SAME MAN, came into your church with a suite and tie, toting a Bible, and quoting from it once in awhile, YOU WOULD ALL SIT HERE IN THE PEWS AND LISTEN TO HIM ALL DAY LONG."

It pays to check them out, and if he is a real Christian, he will not mind a bit.
So why are you so upset?


2 Pet. 2:1-6, Acts 20:29-32, 2 Tim. 4:3-5, 2 Tim. 3:1-7, Mat. 7:15-23, 1 Tim. 5:1
 

Seohce

Senior Member
Jul 15, 2016
1,386
54
48
I dont even read them anymore..if i dont agree with them the FIRST time you post it..I certainly wont the 2nd or 3rd time you post it either..lol..good try..lol
New International Version 1984 Philippians 2:1-18 Imitating Christ’s Humility If you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose. Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others. Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death— even death on a cross! Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Shining as Stars Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose. Do everything without complaining or arguing, so that you may become blameless and pure, children of God without fault in a crooked and depraved generation, in which you shine like stars in the universe as you hold out the word of life—in order that I may boast on the day of Christ that I did not run or labor for nothing. But even if I am being poured out like a drink offering on the sacrifice and service coming from your faith, I am glad and rejoice with all of you. So you too should be glad and rejoice with me.
 

calibob

Sinner saved by grace
May 29, 2018
8,268
5,516
113
Anaheim, Cali.
Jewel5712,

You would do well, if you were to read HOW DANGEROUS CULTS can be, so you have to check them out.

Dave Hunt so clearly pointed out in his book: "The Seduction of Christianity" and in a video about his Book, said, "If you had a Witch Doctor in all of his Feathers and War Paint, come into this Church and try to take over the Pulpit; two you men would grab Him by each arm, and throw him literally out the front door. What I worry about, is IF THAT SAME MAN, came into your church with a suite and tie, toting a Bible, and quoting from it once in awhile, YOU WOULD ALL SIT HERE IN THE PEWS AND LISTEN TO HIM ALL DAY LONG."

It pays to check them out, and if he is a real Christian, he will not mind a bit.
So why are you so upset?


2 Pet. 2:1-6, Acts 20:29-32, 2 Tim. 4:3-5, 2 Tim. 3:1-7, Mat. 7:15-23, 1 Tim. 5:1
Oh for crying out loud the man said he was an EX Mormon and an EX Catholic. Thank the lord we have the bible to check and sepperate the sheep from the goats with.
 

Jewel5712

Well-known member
Jun 22, 2018
4,091
2,275
113
New International Version 1984 Philippians 2:1-18 Imitating Christ’s Humility If you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose. Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others. Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death— even death on a cross! Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Shining as Stars Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose. Do everything without complaining or arguing, so that you may become blameless and pure, children of God without fault in a crooked and depraved generation, in which you shine like stars in the universe as you hold out the word of life—in order that I may boast on the day of Christ that I did not run or labor for nothing. But even if I am being poured out like a drink offering on the sacrifice and service coming from your faith, I am glad and rejoice with all of you. So you too should be glad and rejoice with me.
Would you STOP ALREADY? I JUST TOLD YOU I DONT BELIEVE WHAT YOU SAY AND DONT READ WHAT YOU POST SO WHY KEEP SENDING ME POSTS? DO YOU ONLY UNDERSTAND IF I PUT MY CAP LOCK ON???
 

Seohce

Senior Member
Jul 15, 2016
1,386
54
48
I dont even read them anymore..if i dont agree with them the FIRST time you post it..I certainly wont the 2nd or 3rd time you post it either..lol..good try..lol
Would you STOP ALREADY? I JUST TOLD YOU I DONT BELIEVE WHAT YOU SAY AND DONT READ WHAT YOU POST SO WHY KEEP SENDING ME POSTS? DO YOU ONLY UNDERSTAND IF I PUT MY CAP LOCK ON???
New International Version 1984 1 Corinthians 14:26-40 Orderly Worship What then shall we say, brothers? When you come together, everyone has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. All of these must be done for the strengthening of the church. If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God. Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored. Therefore, my brothers, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.

New International Version 1984 1 Timothy 5:11-15 As for younger widows, do not put them on such a list. For when their sensual desires overcome their dedication to Christ, they want to marry. Thus they bring judgment on themselves, because they have broken their first pledge. Besides, they get into the habit of being idle and going about from house to house. And not only do they become idlers, but also GOSSIPS and busybodies, saying things they ought not to. So I counsel younger widows to marry, to have children, to manage their homes and to give the enemy no opportunity for SLANDER. Some have in fact already turned away to follow Satan.