Can be gay and a Christian?

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CS1 said:
I agree with you calibob :) never said that was not the case. Never said you can lose salvation, never said we do not sin. I said there is a false teaching that teaches you identify with the sin that held you captive over Christ setting you free. That is a liberal theoglogy, which looks to make social sins norms in the church. That is why they attack as it was said “Conservative” Church” Christians.
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It's not theology at all. It's psychobabel. and it dosn't come from liberal politicians but medical schools.
 
calibob said:
Step 1] We admitted we we were powerless over alcohol-that our lives had become unmanageable.

Step 2] Came to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity

Step 3] Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God...

No, the 12 steps are not the means of salvation, Jesus is but the first 3 steps cause many to seek God, find Jesus and get saved. The dialectic way of identifying ones self as an Alcoholic serves 3 purposes. 1] It forces one to get out of the denial of their problem.
2] It gives the newcomer a sense of safety and anonymity. 3] I gives each member an identity that says "I belong here."
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the Holy Spirit is the one who convicts of sin. make the decision without the gospel message is not going to work . the problem with AA is you will never be free from the addiction you have to identify with the addiction Christ ability to fully set you free from an addiction cannot happen. it is your Identity it nothing but a labor of the flesh where at anytime you can crash back into the very addiction you are not choosing to do now. If that is the idea of freedom given me bondage and chains.
 
CS1 said:
Josh it is not hostility call it passion for the truth. When liberal theology teaches that you are a “gay Christian” over I have be saved and set free from the sin of homosexuality which of the two speaks Biblically? If the God who saved us will not remember our sin anymore because of Christ why would I identify with that sin, put whatever sin you like to use. Many have used human reasoning and worldly definitions of the sin as a race of people or the something as an ethnicity.



metamorphosis transformation

neurological issues as well

You can be gay and a Christian, as long as you don't practice Sodomy

Really? What Biblical precedence does one use to establish these statements ?



And which the second one I agree with how does one come to reality if they are not told the truth?
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Stop trying to get innocent people on your ever changing band wagon..give it up already n move on like the rest of us are doing...
 
calibob said:
It's not theology at all. It's psychobabel. and it dosn't come from liberal politicians but medical schools.
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Christ set me free I do not identify with 5.00$ TERMS :)

the wall of academia at home is well covered. It does not match Christ
 
@calibob The saying in your signature, it seems pessimistic. Is it? I get a feeling of sadness as I read it, as if one is misunderstood in the world around them. On the other side of the coin, there is a hopeful understanding of it. The worst ways in which we view ourselves others do not. There is hope, in that others see the beauty in you that you have missed. Which way do you see it?
 
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CS1 said:
the Holy Spirit is the one who convicts of sin. make the decision without the gospel message is not going to work . the problem with AA is you will never be free from the addiction you have to identify with the addiction Christ ability to fully set you free from an addiction cannot happen. it is your Identity it nothing but a labor of the flesh where at anytime you can crash back into the very addiction you are not choosing to do now. If that is the idea of freedom given me bondage and chains.
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A persons IDENTITY is NOT the subject of tge OP but what YOU have turned the OP to be about..no body disputes that thru christ you are a new creature..old things have passed away..all have become new..lol
 
Jewel5712 said:
D..my friemd..why are you going by the LAW? Have i not taught you anything..lol.God doesnt "rate sin" on a scale of 1-10 etc..sin is sin..CONSIQUEMCES for that sin might differ..btw..morning d
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Sure sin is sin, but the fact that various levels of punishment was meeted out under the law and the fact that the word "abomination" was applied to the sin of homosexuality as opposed to other sexual sins proves that it is a more grieveous sin in the eyes of God and man.....which city did God burn to the ground due to adultry? And you know better on your first statement....hilarious!
 
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No matter how anyone slices and dices this topic Romans is clear....Honosexuals have been GIVEN OVER TO A REPROBATE MIND by GOD and are to expect nothing but judgment.....<--why is this so hard for believers to accept.......?????? The very word of God states this and yet believers are ALL OVER THE PLACE with this revealed truth!!!!! Burger King Theology!
 
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CS1 said:
the Holy Spirit is the one who convicts of sin. make the decision without the gospel message is not going to work . the problem with AA is you will never be free from the addiction you have to identify with the addiction Christ ability to fully set you free from an addiction cannot happen. it is your Identity it nothing but a labor of the flesh where at anytime you can crash back into the very addiction you are not choosing to do now. If that is the idea of freedom given me bondage and chains.
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Yes, it's flawed but it causes people to seek what they can't find within them. How can a person that has halucinations when trying to get sober trust himself or believe they hear the voice of god when their own demons are screaming for them to kill themselves?

A.A. is not of god nor should it replace church. It has no power and many within it follow it like a false religion but Isaiah 55; 10 & 11 says [I paraphrase] the word of the lord does not come back empty. If the the program causes someone to seek the lord and read the bible and get saved, well praise the lord and if they don't get saved but they get better it's still better for society.
 
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Jewel5712 said:
As we ALL seem to be doing like ive said before...
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I'm not understanding why people are getting so worked up when the Bible is clear on ALL sexual sin

I did not read the entire thread because this type of subject is rife for interjections by human reasoning and if someone needs to have an amputation because their limb is gangrenous, they better hop to it

Jesus said 'if your eye offend you, cut it out.' of course no one thinks He really means that, but He was definately speaking to the seriousness and effects of sin

how about a little leaven leavens the whole lump?

I know a little about how we can talk ourselves into doing something that is sin and justify it.

'God understands etc.' only He doesn't 'understand'. either we believe God or we do not

I'm sticking with Romans 1 on this one too
 
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BenFTW said:
@calibob The saying in your signature, it seems pessimistic. Is it? I get a feeling of sadness as I read it, as if one is misunderstood in the world around them. On the other side of the coin, there is a hopeful understanding of it. The worst ways in which we view ourselves others do not. There is hope, in that others see the beauty in you that you have missed. Which way do you see it?
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Both ways. Someone who is narcisitic may look at them selves as being greater than they are while some one that suffers from depression will see the opposite. The signature goes with the avitar of the sandpiper seeing its own reflection while we see one that is clearly different.
 
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BenFTW said:
@calibob The saying in your signature, it seems pessimistic. Is it? I get a feeling of sadness as I read it, as if one is misunderstood in the world around them. On the other side of the coin, there is a hopeful understanding of it. The worst ways in which we view ourselves others do not. There is hope, in that others see the beauty in you that you have missed. Which way do you see it?
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I see calibob as a totally changed renewed man..big heart..;)
 
Jewel5712 said:
Stop trying to get innocent people on your ever changing band wagon..give it up already n move on like the rest of us are doing...
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jewel5712 just because your a liberal man hater please don't tell ME what to do. I will not LISTEN to you . you have no authority over a man. I was speaking to Josh yet you try to innerject yourself into my discussion.
 
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CS1 said:
jewel5712 just because your a liberal man hater please don't tell ME what to do. I will not LISTEN to you . you have no authority over a man. I was speaking to Josh yet you try to innerject yourself into my discussion.
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And you said I was the one calling names...again..ill call you Mr Pot..

Btw..if you SPECIFICALLY want to talk with Josh..do so in PM not open forum where ANYONE is entitled to interject..

Nice try..;)

But your "you have no authority over a man" bit truly shows its YOU that have a problem with women..especially strong women that dont put up with your bologna!

I have tried on 2 occassions to put this to rest..you REFUSE to get off your soap box n let it go? Why???
 
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CS1 said:
Christ set me free I do not identify with 5.00$ TERMS :)

the wall of academia at home is well covered. It does not match Christ
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You want a cookie for all you academic achievements? Ive known a ton of people book smart but people stupid..
 
Jewel5712 said:
And you said I was the one calling names...again..ill call you Mr Pot..

Btw..if you SPECIFICALLY want to talk with Josh..do so in PM not open forum where ANYONE is entitled to interject..

Nice try..;)

But your "you have no authority over a man" bit truly shows its YOU that have a problem with women..especially strong women that dont put up with your bologna!

I have tried on 2 occassions to put this to rest..you REFUSE to get off your soap box n let it go? Why???
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Jewel5712 you do not tell me what to do sorry but i'm not your man . I have problem with women you have problem with imaturity and I will pm you too :) Good bye ;)
 
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dcontroversal said:
No matter how anyone slices and dices this topic Romans is clear....Honosexuals have been GIVEN OVER TO A REPROBATE MIND by GOD and are to expect nothing but judgment.....<--why is this so hard for believers to accept.......?????? The very word of God states this and yet believers are ALL OVER THE PLACE with this revealed truth!!!!! Burger King Theology!
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Nobody is refutimg what the Bible says..please read posts from earlier today..A LOT has been said all over the plave..amywhere from who are christiams..identity isuues etc..
 
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