Are children born saved?

[ForestGreenCook]

Children aren't born saved. They are born as the innocent. There is no such thing as imputed sin. Read Romans 5.

Matthew 19: 14
14But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not hinder them! For the kingdom of heaven” belongs to such as these.

Mark 10: 13 - 15
13People were bringing the little children to Jesus for Him to place His hands on them. But the disciples rebuked those who brought them. 14When Jesus saw this, He was indignant and told them, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not hinder them! For the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. 15Truly I tell you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.”

The kingdom of God belongs to little children, they go to heaven if they die young. As from the teen age when they are able to know the difference between good and bad, they need to be led to confessing Christ as their personal lord and saviour.

The church that Jesus set up is called, in the scriptures, by many different names, such as, The Kingdom of God, the new Jerusalem, the church of the first born, the church in the wilderness, the church of Christ, the little flock, etc. There are no requirements for man to enter into heaven because it is by grace, through the faithfulness of Jesus going to the cross, and that not of man's works. Little children are completely dependent upon their parents and children of God are required to be completely dependent upon God to enter the church, at least, that is the way I see it.. All people are born naturally into this world as sinners after the nature of Adam's sin. Little children are regenerated, not of their own choice, just as the adults are, as described in Eph 2, especially verse 5, while they are still "dead in sins", having no ability to choose spiritual things as indicated in 1 Cor 2:14. All babies that die are regenerated children of God, because the wicked do not die in their youth, but grow to be old (Job 21:7) - Wherefore do the wicked live, become old, yea, are mighty in power?

 

[Josie223]

The church that Jesus set up is called, in the scriptures, by many different names, such as, The Kingdom of God, the new Jerusalem, the church of the first born, the church in the wilderness, the church of Christ, the little flock, etc. There are no requirements for man to enter into heaven because it is by grace, through the faithfulness of Jesus going to the cross, and that not of man's works. Little children are completely dependent upon their parents and children of God are required to be completely dependent upon God to enter the church, at least, that is the way I see it.. All people are born naturally into this world as sinners after the nature of Adam's sin. Little children are regenerated, not of their own choice, just as the adults are, as described in Eph 2, especially verse 5, while they are still "dead in sins", having no ability to choose spiritual things as indicated in 1 Cor 2:14. All babies that die are regenerated children of God, because the wicked do not die in their youth, but grow to be old (Job 21:7) - Wherefore do the wicked live, become old, yea, are mighty in power?

I didn't get the point though

 

[ForestGreenCook]

I didn't get the point though

Probably my misunderstanding, I was thinking that you thought it was a requirement for man to present himself as a child to get eternal life. If that was not your thoughts, then I am sorry that my thinking was in error.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Correct. It needs to be a decision we make for ourselves in faith when we reach the age of understanding.

It is the same when we make a decision for Christ. Nobody can do it for us. This is why we accept Christ into our life, believing in him first, and then we go through the waters of baptism as a public declaration of our faith. It is our faith that saves us, not a few drops of water sprinkled on our forehead by a human being.

Salvation according to Strong's Greek definition means "a deliverance", Our faith can deliver us while we live here on earth, but it is not the cause of our eternal deliverance. Eternal salvation is by God's sovereign grace and not of works, or by any decision we make.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Psalm 51:5Surely I was brought forth in iniquity; I was sinful when my mother conceived me. 6Surely You desiretruth in the inmost being; You teach me wisdom in the inmost place. 7Purify me with hyssop, and I will be clean; wash me, and I will be whiter than snow.

But Jesus's atonement is for all, starting from Adam & Eve, all the way to the very last person that will be born. Those that reject the atonement work are already condemned.

All that Jesus atoned for will live with him in heaven (John 6:38) without the loss of even one, and we know that all mankind will not be in heaven.

 

[PS]

Probably my misunderstanding, I was thinking that you thought it was a requirement for man to present himself as a child to get eternal life. If that was not your thoughts, then I am sorry that my thinking was in error.

Matthew 5:8 ESV
Blessed are the pure in heart, [like a child] for they shall see God

 

[Noose]

All that Jesus atoned for will live with him in heaven (John 6:38) without the loss of even one, and we know that all mankind will not be in heaven.

Those that reject the atonement works or those that have known but don't believe in the works won't make it, the rest of the world will see salvation; children/mentally ill/those with no knowledge of these works e.t.c

 

[PS]

Salvation according to Strong's Greek definition means "a deliverance", Our faith can deliver us while we live here on earth, but it is not the cause of our eternal deliverance. Eternal salvation is by God's sovereign grace and not of works, or by any decision we make.

We have faith in God. God does the work in us.

Psalm 51:10 ESV
Create in me a clean heart, O God,
and renew a right spirit within me.

And we become like little children who will see the kingdom of heaven.

 

[PS]

Salvation according to Strong's Greek definition means "a deliverance", Our faith can deliver us while we live here on earth, but it is not the cause of our eternal deliverance. Eternal salvation is by God's sovereign grace and not of works, or by any decision we make.

Wrong, it is not our faith that delivers us. It is God in whom we trust who saves us.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Is sin Imputed to those who are under law?
Will those who are not saved be judged by the law?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I looked at It for a while and I think I understand better what “sin Is not Imputed means”.

Before JESUS died on the cross sin could not be Imputed because there was no law although the people that were here before Moses gave the law still died.

So then If sin was not Imputed where there Is no law or knowledge of sin,then why did the people that were here before the law was given,die?
They were still falling short of the glory of GOD because of their consciences.

Now that JESUS has fulfilled the law,sin has been dealt with so then now the Issue Is not sin but does the person have faith In JESUS.

 

[DianaO]

The church that Jesus set up is called, in the scriptures, by many different names, such as, The Kingdom of God, the new Jerusalem, the church of the first born, the church in the wilderness, the church of Christ, the little flock, etc. There are no requirements for man to enter into heaven because it is by grace, through the faithfulness of Jesus going to the cross, and that not of man's works. Little children are completely dependent upon their parents and children of God are required to be completely dependent upon God to enter the church, at least, that is the way I see it.. All people are born naturally into this world as sinners after the nature of Adam's sin. Little children are regenerated, not of their own choice, just as the adults are, as described in Eph 2, especially verse 5, while they are still "dead in sins", having no ability to choose spiritual things as indicated in 1 Cor 2:14. All babies that die are regenerated children of God, because the wicked do not die in their youth, but grow to be old (Job 21:7) - Wherefore do the wicked live, become old, yea, are mighty in power?

I don't agree with you. That's OK though.

 

[Josie223]

Probably my misunderstanding, I was thinking that you thought it was a requirement for man to present himself as a child to get eternal life. If that was not your thoughts, then I am sorry that my thinking was in error.

"Truly I tell you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.”
Mark 10:15

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Matthew 5:8 ESV
Blessed are the pure in heart, [like a child] for they shall see God

I agree with that verse of scripture, but being pure in heart is not the cause of a person being saved eternally. Only by the grace of God, not what man does, or is.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

"Truly I tell you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.”
Mark 10:15

I perceive that you do not believe that scripture is referring to the church that Christ set up. Regeneration as described in Eph 2:5 while the natural man was yet "dead in sins" and unable to respond to anything spiritual, or ask to be regenerated. The person God chooses to regenerate does not have to receive the Kingdom of God whether it is the church or heaven. In fact according to 1 Cor 2:14, he cannot receive anything of a spiritual nature. Eternal salvation is by the grace of God, without the help, or actions of man. When we have been regenerated, we still have the baggage of our sinful nature and are still sinners.

 

[Josie223]

I perceive that you do not believe that scripture is referring to the church that Christ set up. Regeneration as described in Eph 2:5 while the natural man was yet "dead in sins" and unable to respond to anything spiritual, or ask to be regenerated. The person God chooses to regenerate does not have to receive the Kingdom of God whether it is the church or heaven. In fact according to 1 Cor 2:14, he cannot receive anything of a spiritual nature. Eternal salvation is by the grace of God, without the help, or actions of man. When we have been regenerated, we still have the baggage of our sinful nature and are still sinners.

hmmm, hard

 

[PS]

I perceive that you do not believe that scripture is referring to the church that Christ set up. Regeneration as described in Eph 2:5 while the natural man was yet "dead in sins" and unable to respond to anything spiritual, or ask to be regenerated. The person God chooses to regenerate does not have to receive the Kingdom of God whether it is the church or heaven. In fact according to 1 Cor 2:14, he cannot receive anything of a spiritual nature. Eternal salvation is by the grace of God, without the help, or actions of man. When we have been regenerated, we still have the baggage of our sinful nature and are still sinners.

You are omitting faith and whether we accept or reject Christ's free gift of salvation.

 

[PS]

hmmm, hard

Some cult or other.

 

[Josie223]

Some cult or other.

Its so confusing what all these sayings. Scripture written so plainly and needing no interpretation should be understood as it is, I think, what about u?

 

[PS]

Its so confusing what all these sayings. Scripture written so plainly and needing no interpretation should be understood as it is, I think, what about u?

Yes, I think the same. Quoting one verse at a time out of context is a dead give-away.