Is baptism required for salvation?
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Acts 2:38 - Peter was addressing some of the Jews and accusing them of crucifying Christ. They were "PRICKED", Strong's interpretation = To pierce thoroughly, i.e. (figuratively) to agitate violently ("sting to the quick"). Their conscience was pricked. The natural man as described in 1 Cor 2:14 does not have a spiritual conscience to be pricked. These Jews in Acts 2:38 compared to the men in Acts 7:54 that were "cut to the heart" after hearing Stevens accusations, having no spiritual conscience. Peter went on, after hearing them say "what must we do (to make our consciences fell better), telling them to repent, and to be baptized for (unto) the remission of sins, in like manner as Christ's death, burial, and resurrection that remitted your sins and you will receive the "GIFT" of the Holy Ghost, not the Holy Ghost, which they already had, that will sooth your guilt. He went on to say in verse 39, that this promise is given to as many as the Lord our God shall call.
There is no repentance without serious remorse.
But the catch 22 is very real. And for a good reason.
God left.
He was here, walked with His people and proved beyond all reasonable doubt that He was who He said He was. Everyone knew about God. He handed down severe punishment for sins. Against the enemies and even those He walked with. The people still sinned except those He stayed close too. To show that only when He is there can one be sinless.
Then He left. Hence why there angels called watchers. God does not need watchers. He can see everything. He can also choose not to look and rely on reports from His angels. He left.
He then sent Jesus and everyone knows what He did.
But He too left.
I am leaving. You will look for me and not find me.
I go to be with the Father. Where I go you can not come.
Simple fact is they are not here. But only for a time.
As Jesus promised to return. And He will. Those that love
Him as I do long for His return.
Anyone seriously seeking and studying would ask why.
He could conquer the ones that here corrupting mankind
is a second. Why have they left us to battle evil angels
the giants they born and the demons that come from them
when they die.
Its all about freewill.
You want freewill?
There has to be choice.
God voiced His will in
the beginning directly to
the people starting in the
garden. 1 command. He left
Satan entered...first sin.
He returned and handed down
judgment.
With Moses He showed His presence
but not as in the Garden. The law
was put on stone. 10 commandments.
People still sinned.
Pentecost. Law is engraved on
every persons heart. Jesus
leaves, the devil remains.
Its really quite simple
Jesus returns. Removes the devil
and his angels into the lake of
fire. There is no more temptation.
There is only God and Gods will.
And everyone lives happily ever after.
The Salvation.
The lesson.
You are a made thing.
You were designed to
house Gods Spirit.
You don't get free will.
That is not part of the design.
But since you are given
intelligence you will
wonder why you can
not also be like God.
Iniquity is born there.
And killed with the lesson.
And excepted as the
only way. Gods way.
It is very simple. The
fact that few see it
testifies to the power
of the devil and his
deceptions.
Why do you not understand
my speech? Jesus said that
and if you find where and
what He said afterward...
But the catch 22 is very real. And for a good reason.
God left.
He was here, walked with His people and proved beyond all reasonable doubt that He was who He said He was. Everyone knew about God. He handed down severe punishment for sins. Against the enemies and even those He walked with. The people still sinned except those He stayed close too. To show that only when He is there can one be sinless.
Then He left. Hence why there angels called watchers. God does not need watchers. He can see everything. He can also choose not to look and rely on reports from His angels. He left.
He then sent Jesus and everyone knows what He did.
But He too left.
I am leaving. You will look for me and not find me.
I go to be with the Father. Where I go you can not come.
Simple fact is they are not here. But only for a time.
As Jesus promised to return. And He will. Those that love
Him as I do long for His return.
Anyone seriously seeking and studying would ask why.
He could conquer the ones that here corrupting mankind
is a second. Why have they left us to battle evil angels
the giants they born and the demons that come from them
when they die.
Its all about freewill.
You want freewill?
There has to be choice.
God voiced His will in
the beginning directly to
the people starting in the
garden. 1 command. He left
Satan entered...first sin.
He returned and handed down
judgment.
With Moses He showed His presence
but not as in the Garden. The law
was put on stone. 10 commandments.
People still sinned.
Pentecost. Law is engraved on
every persons heart. Jesus
leaves, the devil remains.
Its really quite simple
Jesus returns. Removes the devil
and his angels into the lake of
fire. There is no more temptation.
There is only God and Gods will.
And everyone lives happily ever after.
The Salvation.
The lesson.
You are a made thing.
You were designed to
house Gods Spirit.
You don't get free will.
That is not part of the design.
But since you are given
intelligence you will
wonder why you can
not also be like God.
Iniquity is born there.
And killed with the lesson.
And excepted as the
only way. Gods way.
It is very simple. The
fact that few see it
testifies to the power
of the devil and his
deceptions.
Why do you not understand
my speech? Jesus said that
and if you find where and
what He said afterward...
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Quoting verses Is very good but their are scriptures In the bible that If they are not Interpreted correctly they can come across as contrary to each other,
so then the scriptures that seem contrary to another scripture should be harmonized with scripture,otherwise the person would be In error and not discerning the WORD.
GOD Is not the author of confusion.
so then the scriptures that seem contrary to another scripture should be harmonized with scripture,otherwise the person would be In error and not discerning the WORD.
GOD Is not the author of confusion.
As should you when reading this
John 17:2
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
And no, I'm not a Calvinist, JW, or with any of the modern sects.
I belong to the original Church of Christ. The one that went out
and preached the Good News. Not the horrors preached here
by most of the members I have had the pleasure to interact with.
John 17:2
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
And no, I'm not a Calvinist, JW, or with any of the modern sects.
I belong to the original Church of Christ. The one that went out
and preached the Good News. Not the horrors preached here
by most of the members I have had the pleasure to interact with.
I completely agree. But the simply stated must be taken to heart.
There is no contradictions in the Bible when you do that.
Nothing can change the simply stated. There can only be a contradiction.
But there is always not simply stated verses that can have 2 or more possible meaning used to try and make the simply stated non valid. Very odd that people cant see the simply stated and know it can only have one meaning. There is no possible other interpretation no matter what anyone says. The words define it. Nothing can change it. Especially when it comes straight from God or Jesus.
Example
There is one God. There is none beside me. God said that. simple. There is only one God.
John 17:2
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
It says all. Its not complicated and nothing a naysayer says can ever change it.
John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. (all means all)
John 12
47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
It is simply stated. You can't change the meaning.
You can only try and keep people from understanding the truth.
There is no contradictions in the Bible when you do that.
Nothing can change the simply stated. There can only be a contradiction.
But there is always not simply stated verses that can have 2 or more possible meaning used to try and make the simply stated non valid. Very odd that people cant see the simply stated and know it can only have one meaning. There is no possible other interpretation no matter what anyone says. The words define it. Nothing can change it. Especially when it comes straight from God or Jesus.
Example
There is one God. There is none beside me. God said that. simple. There is only one God.
John 17:2
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
It says all. Its not complicated and nothing a naysayer says can ever change it.
John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. (all means all)
John 12
47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
It is simply stated. You can't change the meaning.
You can only try and keep people from understanding the truth.
Do you understand English?
Hell is the grave in the Bible.
The lake of fire is the place
you think hell is.
The disciples preached the good news.
Not the horror you preach
1 Tim 4:9-11
9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
10 For therefore we both labour and suffer
reproach,because we trust in the living God,
who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that
believe.
11 These things command and teach.
Hell is the grave in the Bible.
The lake of fire is the place
you think hell is.
The disciples preached the good news.
Not the horror you preach
1 Tim 4:9-11
9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
10 For therefore we both labour and suffer
reproach,because we trust in the living God,
who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that
believe.
11 These things command and teach.
you must be a poet.
Nice history lesson.
Two comments:
A Christian can be sorry for something he did, but he cannot be remorseful.
remorse
rɪˈmɔːs/
noun
Nice history lesson.
Two comments:
A Christian can be sorry for something he did, but he cannot be remorseful.
remorse
rɪˈmɔːs/
noun
- deep regret or guilt for a wrong committed.
"they were filled with remorse and shame"
sinonimi:contrition, deep regret, repentance, penitence, guilt, feelings of guilt, bad/guilty conscience, compunction, remorsefulness, ruefulness, contriteness, sorrow, shame, self-reproach, self-accusation, self-condemnation;
pangs of conscience
"he was filled with remorse"
************************************************************************************************** - And so is the problem with remorse vs. repentance. Remorse can be temporary. It doesn’t always lead to change. Remorse can leave you filled with guilt that eventually leads to shame. This type of “worldly sorry” can eat you up emotionally. But repentance leads to confessing our sin to God, leaving it at the cross, and asking the Holy Spirit to change us. It brings a change in thinking and behaving. It is taking responsibility for our actions, not because they hurt people, but because they are sin. Ultimately, it leads to freedom.
QUOTE="Chuckyz2, post: 3712479, member: 272428"]Actually you are very wrong.
John 17:2
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
It says all. Not complicated.[/QUOTE]
Reading this AS IS,this said "that HE should give Eternal Life to as many as thou has given HIM.
See what I mean,many does not mean all.
John 17:2
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
It says all. Not complicated.[/QUOTE]
Reading this AS IS,this said "that HE should give Eternal Life to as many as thou has given HIM.
See what I mean,many does not mean all.
One characteristic concerning the Calvinist and their participation in just about any Christian community. When they argue Jesus died only for those the Father gave him, which isn't in the Bible, the same Calvinist is absolutely certain they themselves are one of those.
My mom knew a Jehovah witness that would constantly stop by her parents house to gain converts to the temple.
JW's know there are those who are the elect and shall see Heaven. And in their teachings they also are assured that number does not include them. Why then do these people try to knock on doors and gain more people to follow a tradition that will gain them nothing for their strict earthly obedience?
Same with Calvinists. They eradicate the import of John 3:16 while living assured they are one of the elect. And then they join forums where Christians participate in Bible discussions so as to try to tell us we're not in their number.
Sorry, Heaven's full.
Or, recall that "Members Only" jacket years ago? That.
If there are the elect that Jesus only died for and God's grace saves and we have nothing to do with it, why proselytize? God's elect are already covered and assured Heaven.
Calvinists are fun.
My mom knew a Jehovah witness that would constantly stop by her parents house to gain converts to the temple.
JW's know there are those who are the elect and shall see Heaven. And in their teachings they also are assured that number does not include them. Why then do these people try to knock on doors and gain more people to follow a tradition that will gain them nothing for their strict earthly obedience?
Same with Calvinists. They eradicate the import of John 3:16 while living assured they are one of the elect. And then they join forums where Christians participate in Bible discussions so as to try to tell us we're not in their number.
Sorry, Heaven's full.
Or, recall that "Members Only" jacket years ago? That.
If there are the elect that Jesus only died for and God's grace saves and we have nothing to do with it, why proselytize? God's elect are already covered and assured Heaven.
Calvinists are fun.
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