Rapture= false teaching

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To say you have no fear so vehemently reminds me of how vehemently Peter denied what Jesus had just told him would happen. Peter denied what Jesus prophesied over him saying that he would follow him even to death, then later he denied him three times. So people denying their own fear is not wise. This is human nature. To be afraid is human nature and to deny that you would be afraid of persecution like we have never experienced in these United States of America is absurd. To blast me like you did RED? I have to shake my head. To me telling Christians don't worry you are going to be raptured out of everything and won't have to suffer is giving false hope. It leaves one totally unprepared in the event you ever had to face real persecution such as some of our brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus are in other countries right now. Get mad at me all you want, I only pointed out human nature. Everyone of the disciples fled just like Jesus said they would and Jesus was left all alone just like he said it would happen in the face of persecution, so naturally a teaching that promises you won't have to go through anything horrible is pretty indeed.
If you wish to live in fear, it is your choice. But don't try to push it off on others. Perfect love casts out fear. And all Christians experience persecution to some level or another. But for those that are watching, we WILL be raptured out. If you wish to stay behind and tribulation, that too is your choice. Jesus is coming for those that BELIEVE He is coming and are watching.

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sensitive

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Oh good grief, you twist my words and argue. If God wants to rapture me, He will not forsake me, how ridiculous your statements are!
 
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If it is God's will to deliver me, I will be delivered just as Daniel in the lions den. If not I go home to be with Jesus. You people are truly ridiculous and can not carry on civilized decent conversation. You love arguments and strife.
 
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sensitive

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For that reason I will not argue with you. I refuse further communication with any of you from this point on.
 
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lecoop

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If it is God's will to deliver me, I will be delivered just as Daniel in the lions den. If not I go home to be with Jesus. You people are truly ridiculous and can not carry on civilized decent conversation. You love arguments and strife.
We love TRUTH. Time is too short for false doctrines.
The truth is, Jesus is coming VERY SOON to take His
bride home to heaven. But just because someone is
born again, do not think that qualifies you for the
rapture. For example, lukewarm Christians do not
qualify. They will be LEFT BEHIND. Jesus is coming
for those 100% sold out to Him. If you have one
foot in church and the other in the world, you WILL
be left behind. If you believe you will see the Beast
first (post trib believer) you WILL BE LEFT BEHIND.
Jesus is coming for those who are WATCHING for
Him.

Take this test: ask yourself, "do I wish Jesus would
come RIGHT NOW?" If you cannot honestly answer
yes, then perhaps you need to rededicate yourself
to HIM. He is coming VERY SOON. Time is up.

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B_Kate

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I am only 19, and i am terrified of the end of the world, i really think i will go to hell because of some bad things that i have done/ still doing, but it's complicated. I am so afraid it's keeping me awake at night, i am literally terrified, i am scared to even open my bible because i feel like God hates me. Please can someone help me?
 
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It is true that the disciples fled from Jesus because they were afraid,but they did not have the Spirit yet,but love casts out fear,for he that fears is not made perfect in love,and if a person is led of the Spirit,one of the fruits is love,which a Spirit led life would cast out fear.

But we might still fear,but that fear would not have the same impact on us,and not exactly the same kind of fear,for a person without the Spirit,as in the case of the disciples,had fear of the fleeing kind,where they ran fearing for their physical life,but a person led by the Spirit might fear,but they do not fear but say thy will be done,and does not deny Jesus even when their life is threatened.

That is how you know those that have not the Spirit,and those that have the Spirit,for the ones without the Spirit will run and deny when persecuted,and those with the Spirit will not deny although they could still run,but they would not deny.
Jesus said when persecution comes at the end time to run,but if caught do not deny.

35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord(Romans 8:35-39).


6For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.
7I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith(2 Timothy 4:6-7).


Those without the Spirit will flee and deny,for they are still led by the flesh and are trying to save their skin,the Spirit not helping them to overcome fear,but the ones with the Spirit will have the strength to overcome fear and not deny if they are persecuted.

20But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
21Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended(Matthew 13:20-21).


7And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints(Revelation 13:7-10).


The saints will go through the tribulation,for the beast will make war against them,and God warns the saints not to fight back,for however they fight back it will come back on them.
We have to make sure we are led of the Spirit so we can overcome fear,so we do not deny Christ when persecuted,and we do not be afraid of starving when no one can buy food without the mark.
 
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lecoop

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I am only 19, and i am terrified of the end of the world, i really think i will go to hell because of some bad things that i have done/ still doing, but it's complicated. I am so afraid it's keeping me awake at night, i am literally terrified, i am scared to even open my bible because i feel like God hates me. Please can someone help me?


You have listened to the enemy! God LOVES you! You must have faith in HIS blood. It will cleanse you from ALL sin. Just believe that! His blood took away the sins of the WHOLE WORLD!

1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


Then please note:

1 John 1
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


Kate, have you ever asked Jesus to save you? Do you believe God raised Jesus from the Dead? Do you confess Jesus as your LORD? It is SO EASY to get ready for the rapture! Just confess to Jesus that you have sinned, but you wish to repent! Confess to God that you BELIEVE God raised Jesus from the dead, and they confess Jesus as YOUR LORD. It is that simple!

Rom 10
9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.


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B_Kate

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Yes i believe in all thoses things but, i am in a sexual relationship with my boyfriend who is not a christian, and it hurts me everyday, but i love him too much to break up with him. I love god, and want to live for him, by being a missionary or charity work, but i just hate myself so so much for this, ad i have no idea what to do anymore. Has anyone else been through this? Please someone help me, i am lost.
 
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lecoop

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It is true that the disciples fled from Jesus because they were afraid,but they did not have the Spirit yet,but love casts out fear,for he that fears is not made perfect in love,and if a person is led of the Spirit,one of the fruits is love,which a Spirit led life would cast out fear.

But we might still fear,but that fear would not have the same impact on us,and not exactly the same kind of fear,for a person without the Spirit,as in the case of the disciples,had fear of the fleeing kind,where they ran fearing for their physical life,but a person led by the Spirit might fear,but they do not fear but say thy will be done,and does not deny Jesus even when their life is threatened.

That is how you know those that have not the Spirit,and those that have the Spirit,for the ones without the Spirit will run and deny when persecuted,and those with the Spirit will not deny although they could still run,but they would not deny.
Jesus said when persecution comes at the end time to run,but if caught do not deny.

35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord(Romans 8:35-39).


6For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.
7I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith(2 Timothy 4:6-7).


Those without the Spirit will flee and deny,for they are still led by the flesh and are trying to save their skin,the Spirit not helping them to overcome fear,but the ones with the Spirit will have the strength to overcome fear and not deny if they are persecuted.

20But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
21Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended(Matthew 13:20-21).


7And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints(Revelation 13:7-10).


The saints will go through the tribulation,for the beast will make war against them,and God warns the saints not to fight back,for however they fight back it will come back on them.
We have to make sure we are led of the Spirit so we can overcome fear,so we do not deny Christ when persecuted,and we do not be afraid of starving when no one can buy food without the mark.
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This is FALSE DOCTRINE and MYTH. Yes, certainly there will be SOME saints that must face the Beast - but NOT THE BRIDE, who will be caught up BEFORE the 70th week begins. The truth is, Luke writes that we CAN ESCAPE all these things. So no need to fear at all. It will not take long after the rapture, and MILLIONS will realize their mistake and will turn to God. But THEY will have to face the Beast. Most will be put to death. But if they refuse the mark and lose their life, they will end up in heaven the hard way.

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B_Kate,do not be afraid,for God does not hate you,but repent of all things wrong,and allow the Spirit to lead you,and you will overcome fear.

God did tell us future events so we would know and avoid their deception,but there are people who do not know the Bible that believe a one world government and religious system is coming,but they believe it will not have ill intentions but good for mankind,where God told the saints it is not of Him and will have ill intentions,but some that do not believe the Bible believe that system will have ill intentions.

You can see by the way the world is going what is going to happen,but with God you can see it better knowing it has ill intentions,where people in the world will believe it has good intentions.
It will not only be Christians who will be persecuted,but Muslims too,for the beast is not antichrist only,but against all people who oppose his system,that it is all about man,and man is god himself,and against any who adhere to any religion that exalts any deity or person above the beast,which the beast will do away with all religions.

It is only the human body,and if you are persecuted and do not deny Christ,it will be better.I do know it can be a hard thing to try to not cave in when persecuted,and not be afraid,but by the Spirit we can.
The truth is that the beast system to come does not care about people,and if you deny Christ to save your skin,the beast in the long run will get you anyway.
 
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Sinnner

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Yes i believe in all thoses things but, i am in a sexual relationship with my boyfriend who is not a christian, and it hurts me everyday, but i love him too much to break up with him. I love god, and want to live for him, by being a missionary or charity work, but i just hate myself so so much for this, ad i have no idea what to do anymore. Has anyone else been through this? Please someone help me, i am lost.
Have you told him how you feel? Were you with him before you got saved? If he truly loves you he will respect you enough to respect your views on premarital sex.
 
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4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years(Revelation 20:4-6).


The Bible says that the saints that were in the tribulation and beheaded for the witness of Jesus,and for the word of God,lived and reigned with Christ for 1000 years,and this is the first resurrection.
There is only one resurrection of the saints,and the first resurrection does not happen before the tribulation period,but happens during the tribulation period.


There is no tribulation saints that are resurrected up after a resurrection of saints before the tribulation period,for blessed is he that has part in the first resurrection,and if they do not get caught up in the first resurrection then they will get caught up in the second resurrection after the millennial reign of Christ,and Jesus said they will have their portion with the hypocrites.


If there is no tribulation saints,and the beast makes war against the saints,then they must be the saints that were not resurrected prior to the tribulation period,but resurrected in the tribulation period,and God will take all His children home at one time,for there is only one resurrection of the saints.


It is like other false teachings,that they believe the saints will be resurrected before the tribulation,so the saints in the tribulation must be tribulation saints,and a second resurrection,but there is only one resurrection of the saints.


Persecution is persecution,so how will it be different in the beast system than any other time,and if people say God will not allow the saints to go through the tribulation,was any of the saints in time past delivered from persecution.Saints have been persecuted ever since the beginning of the Church,and a lot of them were not delivered from persecution,and it will be no different in the tribulation.
 
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B_Kate

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Have you told him how you feel? Were you with him before you got saved? If he truly loves you he will respect you enough to respect your views on premarital sex.

No i havent told him, he wouldnt understand. this is so difficult to me because i love him so much, i cant break up with him, i just cant.
 
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lecoop

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Yes i believe in all thoses things but, i am in a sexual relationship with my boyfriend who is not a christian, and it hurts me everyday, but i love him too much to break up with him. I love god, and want to live for him, by being a missionary or charity work, but i just hate myself so so much for this, ad i have no idea what to do anymore. Has anyone else been through this? Please someone help me, i am lost.
Kate, you MUST listen to the word of God, and know for certain what it says:

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (King James Version)
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.


You are right: you should be scared, because you are playing with fire. Please take note that fornicators (those in sinful sexual relationships) shall NOT inherit the Kingdom of heaven. So you are faced with a choice: you can continue in sin, which I cannot recommend at all, or you can break up with him. Of course, you could marry Him so sex would no longer be a sin. You could fool yourself and say "I will have sex, then repent." But after a few times of that and you KNOW in your heart you are not repenting. So it is a very dangerous road. Jesus has already told us that time is gone, and He is coming VERY soon. it is VERY POSSIBLE that He could come before you could repent. you MUST ask yourself, is hell worth what you are doing? Is what you are doing worth MISSING HEAVEN. Always remember, sex is pleasant for a season, but hell and heaven is FOREVER. Kate, forever is a long long time.

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lecoop

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4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years(Revelation 20:4-6).


The Bible says that the saints that were in the tribulation and beheaded for the witness of Jesus,and for the word of God,lived and reigned with Christ for 1000 years,and this is the first resurrection.
There is only one resurrection of the saints,and the first resurrection does not happen before the tribulation period,but happens during the tribulation period.
Here is where you do not understand. Look up the Greek for that word "first." You will find it is first in HONOR, not in counting. In fact, Jesus was the first part of the first resurrection. The dead in Christ will be next. The 144,000 will be next. The Old Testament saints will be next, but each of these IN THEIR OWN ORDER.


There is no tribulation saints that are resurrected up after a resurrection of saints before the tribulation period,for blessed is he that has part in the first resurrection,and if they do not get caught up in the first resurrection then they will get caught up in the second resurrection after the millennial reign of Christ,and Jesus said they will have their portion with the hypocrites.

This is myth. There IS a pretrib rapture of the church. You will believe it when you see you have been left behind. But it is TRUTH. The second resurrection is for SINNERS. There are only TWO, not in number but in honor, the first for the righteous and the second for the sinners. The second is call the second DEATH.


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f there is no tribulation saints,and the beast makes war against the saints,then they must be the saints that were not resurrected prior to the tribulation period,but resurrected in the tribulation period,and God will take all His children home at one time,for there is only one resurrection of the saints.
There WILL BE tribulation saints. First, there will be many left behind because they were not qualified for the rapture. Then, immediately after the rapture, MILLIONS will turn to God. There will be a first resurrection, but it will come in WAVES, each group in their own order.


It is like other false teachings,that they believe the saints will be resurrected before the tribulation,so the saints in the tribulation must be tribulation saints,and a second resurrection,but there is only one resurrection of the saints.
The pretrib rapture of the church is TRUTH. Paul makes it clear in 1 Thes 5 that the rapture is the trigger for the day of the Lord. In Revelation, that is at the 6th seal, which is BEFORE John begins the 70th week. So Paul and John agree that the rapture comes PRETRIB. This is the truth of scripture. Your theory of resurrections are not scriptural.


Persecution is persecution,so how will it be different in the beast system than any other time,and if people say God will not allow the saints to go through the tribulation,was any of the saints in time past delivered from persecution.Saints have been persecuted ever since the beginning of the Church,and a lot of them were not delivered from persecution,and it will be no different in the tribulation.

This is an age old and very tired argument. God said we can ESCAPE from the events of the 70th week. Why not just believe HIM instead of creating some false theory?

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B_Kate

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Kate, you MUST listen to the word of God, and know for certain what it says:

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (King James Version)
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

You are right: you should be scared, because you are playing with fire. Please take note that fornicators (those in sinful sexual relationships) shall NOT inherit the Kingdom of heaven. So you are faced with a choice: you can continue in sin, which I cannot recommend at all, or you can break up with him. Of course, you could marry Him so sex would no longer be a sin. You could fool yourself and say "I will have sex, then repent." But after a few times of that and you KNOW in your heart you are not repenting. So it is a very dangerous road. Jesus has already told us that time is gone, and He is coming VERY soon. it is VERY POSSIBLE that He could come before you could repent. you MUST ask yourself, is hell worth what you are doing? Is what you are doing worth MISSING HEAVEN. Always remember, sex is pleasant for a season, but hell and heaven is FOREVER. Kate, forever is a long long time.

Coop

Yes i know this, but i dont want to lose the love that me and him share, i dont want to break our hearts, i am not as strong as you are, I cant break somebodys heart, i know how much it hurts. Surely causig him pain will not help his path to god either? I know the sex is wrong, but the love i feel for him, i dont know what i would do without him. And im sure suicide is the ultimate sin?

I wish things were easier.
 
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Readers: let's check this statement for accuracy:

Rev 1
9 I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.

Hmmm. It seems that this part of Revelation is when John was still alive, about 95 AD. In fact, the letters to the churches in chapters 2-3 were also churches existing in John's day and His letter (this book) was to be delivered to each church. So even chapter 3 is still 95 AD.

If one really studies the vision of chapter 4, you will see that it is a vision OF THE PAST! It is a vision of about 33 AD, looking back to a time BEFORE JESUS ROSE FROM THE DEAD. (John got to see the very moment that Jesus ascended into the throne room, after telling Mary not to touch Him for He had not yet ascended.

If one examines seal #5, they would discover it is the seal for CHURCH AGE martyrs. Stephen was one of the first. It is the first place where we see a long wait. This seal was broken with the first 4, about 33 AD. But these martyrs were told that they must wait for the FINAL church age martyr to be killed as they were - - as church age martyrs. So we are now waiting as they are for the church age to end. It will end at the 6th seal.

This is the TRUTH of the book of Revelation. So my statement still stands: His chart needs a LOT of revision.





To his credit, he has kept the seals, trumpets and vials separate. Many try in erro tjyed together to mix them up.
However, the truth is, the seals are a part of the CHURCH AGE, not a part of the 70th week. It is the 6th seal that ENDS the church age. He has the seals listed as the first thunder.

Walt, I would like to see a scripture to show how the seals are the "first thunder." John does not mention the 7 thunders until chapter 10. In fact, the 7 thunders come AFTER the 6th trumpet. So I stand firm in my comments: your chart needs to be redone. you are pushing something as truth, when in fact, it is ERROR.

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All the Thunders are equal in their position, in their time frame. To seperate them, you are uniting the Blue Thread.
Or the Great Thunder .It is like a sheath of wheat Tying it all together, to hold the Thunders together, to loosen the tie and the others will not hold the rest together. It's like all the Church's and their letters are tied together With the same reward the top of the flash card. That is why IT IS A SIN to add or take away in Rev.22/18-19. All the elements in the same horizontal line are related to the same element or Story.
Like 666 = The 6th. Thunder = 6th. horizontal line.=
The 6 th. Vertical line = Thunder No. 6 = The Sixth element in The diagonal line ( the blue line in the flash card ) the three frogs in THE GREAT RIVER of Rev.16/12. all these Three lines cross in a trinity of MAN. 666 .walt200
 
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