The Cosmos

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Gen 1:3 . . Then God said "Let there be light" and there was light.

The creation of light was a very, very intricate process. First God had to
create particulate matter, and along with those particles their specific
properties, including mass; if any. Then He had to invent the laws of nature
to govern how matter behaves in combination with and/or in the presence
of, other kinds of matter in order to generate electromagnetic radiation.

Light's properties are curious. It propagates as waves in a variety of lengths
and frequencies, and also as quantum bits called photons. And though light
has no mass; it's influenced by gravity. Light is also quite invisible to the
naked eye. For example: you can see the Sun when you look at it, and you
can see the Moon when sunlight reflects from its surface. But none of the
Sun's light is visible to you in the void between them and that's because
light isn't matter; it's energy-- some might even say force --and there is
really a lot of it.

Space was at time thought to contain absolutely nothing until radio
astronomers discovered something called the cosmic microwave background.
In a nutshell: CMB fills the universe with light that apparently radiates from
no detectable source. The popular notion is that CMB is energy left over from
the Big Bang.

The same laws that make it possible for matter to generate electromagnetic
radiation also make other conditions possible too; e.g. fire, wind, water, ice,
soil, rain, life, centrifugal force, thermodynamics, fusion, dark energy,
gravity, atoms, organic molecules, magnetism, color, radiation, refraction,
reflection, high energy X-rays and gamma rays, temperature, pressure,
force, inertia, sound, friction, and electricity; et al. So the creation of light
was a pretty big deal; yet Genesis scarcely gives its origin passing mention.

2Cor 4:6 verifies that light wasn't introduced into the cosmos from outside in
order to dispel the darkness and brighten things up a bit; but rather, it
radiated out of the cosmos from inside-- from itself --indicating that the
cosmos was created to be self-illuminating by means of the various
interactions of the matter that God made for it; including, but not limited to,
the Higgs Boson.

You know it's curious to me that most people have no trouble readily
conceding that everything else in the first chapter of Genesis is natural, e.g.
the cosmos, the earth, the atmosphere, water, dry land, the Sun, the Moon,
the stars, aqua life, winged life, terra life, flora life, and human life.

But when it comes to light they choke; finding it impossible within
themselves to believe that Genesis just might be consistent in its description
of the creative process. I mean, if all those other things are natural, why
wouldn't light be natural too? In point of fact, without natural light, planet
Earth would become a cold dead world right quick.

NOTE: An interesting thing about the laws of nature is that they're not
absolute laws. No; they are created laws-- created as a companion to the
created cosmos to regulate how the cosmos, with all of its forms of life,
matter, and energy, behaves. Seeing as how God designed and created
those laws, then He knows the secrets to manipulating them in order to
make things in our world behave quite contrary to common sense.

Take for example the floating axe head in 2Kgs 6:5-6. Solid chunks of iron
don't float. That's unnatural. Another example is the fire-proof bush of Ex
3:2. A bush that's impervious to fire is unnatural. It should have flared up
and Moses knew it too but it didn't because God can easily modify the
natural behavior of everything He ever created.
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Non human life for the Earth was created on a different scale than human
life. Non human life was created in swarms, while human life was created
just one solo individual.

Gen 2:7 . .The Lord God formed the man from the dust of the ground and
breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living
being.

That one human life has the distinction of being the only human life that God
ever created directly from the dust of the ground. All other human life
descends from that one human life, including women, because they were
formed from some material amputated from that first human life's body.

This means that any and all human life made from women are descendants
of that first human life that God created from the dust of the ground;
whether virgin conceived or naturally conceived makes no difference.

Acts 17:26 . . He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on
all the face of the earth

The koiné Greek word for "nation" is ethnos (eth'-nos) which basically refers
to races, which for brevity's sake I'll just label Caucasoid, Mongoloid,
Negroid, and Australoid. There's a variety of sub groupings within those
major divisions.

Some Christians are adamantly, and sometimes even angrily, opposed to
any and all forms of evolution. But if we don't allow for at least a modicum
of somatic mutations and adaptations we'll be hard pressed to provide an
adequate explanation for the variety of human life on Earth, including
Pygmy, that descended from the one and only human life that God created
directly from the dust of the ground.
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Gen 2:1-2 . .The heaven and the earth were finished, and all their array.

Some feel that the Earth was created incomplete, not quite up to snuff: that
it was to Man that God entrusted the task of putting on the finishing
touches. But that is very doubtful. Why ever would God, after an overall
inspection, conclude His work by pronouncing it all good-- and not just good,
but "very" good (Gen 1:31). Why would He say the creation was very good if
in truth it needed finishing touches?

In reality, humans haven't improved the planet at all. They've actually
ravaged Earth and left it with terrible damage-- leveled mountains, dried up
rivers, emptied lakes, drained marshes, indiscriminately obliterated habitat,
wiped out animals to extinction, scraped away perfectly good cropland and
replaced it with warehouses and factories and malls and residential
communities.

A prime example of this kind of destruction is INTEL's massive Ronler Acres
Campus located on what was once agricultural land in Hillsboro Oregon.
Thousands of cubic yards of perfectly good topsoil was scraped away during
construction of the facility. What did they do with it? Was it transferred
elsewhere in order to use it for farming? No, instead INTEL used it to build a
massive privacy berm all around the facility where the soil will never again
grow food. NIKE did the very same thing with the topsoil scraped away
during construction of its facility in Beaverton.

Denuded watersheds cause unnecessary erosion and stream sedimentation.
Dams disrupt ancient fish migrations. Man has over-exploited natural
resources, filled the atmosphere with toxins and greenhouse gas emissions,
poisoned aquifers, contaminated soil and waterways with chemical fertilizers,
pesticides, and herbicides; littered the oceans with billions of pounds of
plastic, made possible super germs, and seriously upset the balance of
nature.

It seems that most everything humanity touches, it ruins; and as if the Earth
isn't enough, humanity moved out into space where in the years since
Russia launched its first Sputnik into low Earth orbit on Oct 04, 1957,3
humans have littered the sky around their planet with 13,000 catalogued
pieces of space junk, which is only a fraction of the more than 600,000
objects circling the globe larger than one centimeter (a centimeter is a little
over 3/8ths of an inch). Humans have even discarded 374,782 pounds of
litter on the Moon, including the golf balls that astronaut Alan Shepherd left
behind. And now there's talk of a manned mission to Mars?
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Earth is a watery place. But just how much water exists on, in, and above our planet? About 71 percent of the Earth's surface is water-covered, and the oceanshold about 96.5 percent of all Earth's water. Water also exists in the air as water vapor, in rivers and lakes, in icecaps and glaciers, in the ground as soil moisture and in aquifers, and even in you and your dog.

Water is never sitting still. Thanks to the water cycle, our planet's water supply is constantly moving from one place to another and from one form to another. Things would get pretty stale without the water cycle!

All Earth's water in a bubble
This drawing shows blue spheres representing relative amounts of Earth's water in comparison to the size of the Earth. Are you surprised that these water spheres look so small? They are only small in relation to the size of the Earth. This image attempts to show three dimensions, so each sphere represents "volume." The volume of the largest sphere, representing all water on, in, and above the Earth, would be about 332,500,000 cubic miles (mi3) (1,386,000,000 cubic kilometers (km3)), and be about 860 miles (about 1,385 kilometers) in diameter.

The smaller sphere over Kentucky represents Earth's liquid fresh water in groundwater, swamp water, rivers, and lakes. The volume of this sphere would be about 2,551,000 mi3 (10,633,450 km3) and form a sphere about 169.5 miles (272.8 kilometers) in diameter. Yes, all of this water is fresh water, which we all need every day, but much of it is deep in the ground, unavailable to humans.

Do you notice the "tiny" bubble over Atlanta, Georgia? That one represents fresh water in all the lakes and rivers on the planet. Most of the water people and life on earth need every day comes from these surface-water sources. The volume of this sphere is about 22,339 mi3 (93,113 km3). The diameter of this sphere is about 34.9 miles (56.2 kilometers). Yes, Lake Michigan looks way bigger than this sphere, but you have to try to imagine a bubble almost 35 miles high—whereas the average depth of Lake Michigan is less than 300 feet (91 meters).

 

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God had said "if you are able to count them". Well; even at only three
thousand, the task would be difficult; and for him to count all six thousand
would be nigh unto impossible without losing track of where he left off.
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The point was his physical decedents, or
offspring would be uncountable or innumerable.

Not just only the stars that where visible to him, but the [stars in heaven].
His seed would be also like as "the sand of the sea shore".

He took him outside and said: Look toward heaven and count the stars,
if you are able to count them. And He added: So shall your offspring be.


Hebrews 11:12 (KJV)
Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars
of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.

And thou saidst, I will surely do thee good, and make thy seed as the sand of the sea,
which cannot be numbered for multitude.

That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed
as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and
thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;

As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured:
so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me.
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In Numbers 1:1–3, not long after Israel's exodus from Egypt, God told Moses to
count the people by tribe to determine the number of Jewish men 20 years and older
who could serve in the military. The total number came to 603,550.
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But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Today, physical decedents of Abraham are like the stars of heaven, to many to count.
 
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Earth is a watery place. But just how much water exists on, in, and above our planet? About 71 percent of the Earth's surface is water-covered, and the oceanshold about 96.5 percent of all Earth's water. Water also exists in the air as water vapor, in rivers and lakes, in icecaps and glaciers, in the ground as soil moisture and in aquifers, and even in you and your dog.

Water is never sitting still. Thanks to the water cycle, our planet's water supply is constantly moving from one place to another and from one form to another. Things would get pretty stale without the water cycle!

All Earth's water in a bubble
This drawing shows blue spheres representing relative amounts of Earth's water in comparison to the size of the Earth. Are you surprised that these water spheres look so small? They are only small in relation to the size of the Earth. This image attempts to show three dimensions, so each sphere represents "volume." The volume of the largest sphere, representing all water on, in, and above the Earth, would be about 332,500,000 cubic miles (mi3) (1,386,000,000 cubic kilometers (km3)), and be about 860 miles (about 1,385 kilometers) in diameter.

The smaller sphere over Kentucky represents Earth's liquid fresh water in groundwater, swamp water, rivers, and lakes. The volume of this sphere would be about 2,551,000 mi3 (10,633,450 km3) and form a sphere about 169.5 miles (272.8 kilometers) in diameter. Yes, all of this water is fresh water, which we all need every day, but much of it is deep in the ground, unavailable to humans.

Do you notice the "tiny" bubble over Atlanta, Georgia? That one represents fresh water in all the lakes and rivers on the planet. Most of the water people and life on earth need every day comes from these surface-water sources. The volume of this sphere is about 22,339 mi3 (93,113 km3). The diameter of this sphere is about 34.9 miles (56.2 kilometers). Yes, Lake Michigan looks way bigger than this sphere, but you have to try to imagine a bubble almost 35 miles high—whereas the average depth of Lake Michigan is less than 300 feet (91 meters).

I wouldn't bee too quick to believe all this. Scripture says, we cannot know all these things. (Job 38)
“Who is this that darkens counsel
By words without knowledge?
 

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The entire bible and the way it has explained the Cosmos is heavily symbolic. If i was to summarize the entire bible into 3 words it'd be Truth vs lies but truth must prevail forever and ever.

Everything comes from truth including the Cosmos and truth is the spirit of truth who is God. If i was to present the whole universes schematically, it would be:

Truth- Information- Energy- Material- lies - decay- Truth-Information- Energy- Material sustained by truth forever
Beginning Life on earth/physical universe End

Information is where truth resides but is also where energy comes from but also decays to, so it is the connector between the spiritual world and the physical world.

Genesis 2 accounts are not creation accounts, the garden of Eden is symbolic of the man's heart/mind and how God carefully prepared it and planted truth in it and then gave man authority over the heavens and the earth in the form of information. The truth in that information was supposed to sustain everything that man had dominion over (heavens and earth) but man forgot and thus lies/sin (a condition present in the absence of truth). It also means sin when man forgets God or laws of God or Truth.

So lies or sin causes decay of everything and everything except truth, has a shelf-life. God sent a cherubim to protect the garden (man's heart) so that he may not get the truth in that condition until a time that God himself determined. All these is symbolized in the OT when we see how the ark was built with two cherubims protecting the law inside the ark which was placed in the holy of holies and no man could access. Now Jesus comes to do away with this protection so that we can have the truth/law in our hearts once again.

After everything decays, only those with truth will remain but in conditions similar to the beginning (only truth in darkness). That's why Jesus is referred to as the beginning and the end. Then all creation will come out of truth again. but this time truth will sustian everything forever.

Revelation 22 explains how the tree of life will be giving fruits every season and its leaves will heal the nations. This tree of life symbolic of truth.
 

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Theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking spent a large percentage of his life
figuring out how the cosmos works; but had to admit that he couldn't figure
out the "why" of the cosmos; viz: why it exists at all instead of nothing at
all.

I was once asked by a co-worker why I believed the Bible. I replied that the
Bible takes a simple, uneducated welder like me and gives him the answers
to questions for which the best and brightest have no scientific explanation.

I may not know everything there is to know about how the cosmos works,
but through the science of faith rather than physics, I know whence the
cosmos came and I know why it exists rather than nothing existing at all.

Rev 4:11 . .Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and
power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are, and
were, created.

This aging, retired old welder is one of the created things mentioned in that
passage. I am insignificant in the grand scale of the cosmos with all of its
life, matter, and energy; yet I exist per God's pleasure just the same as all
the millions of wondrous galaxies floating around out there in the void.

Carl Sagan once remarked that extraordinary claims require extraordinary
evidence. Well; personally, I consider the cosmos with all of its life, matter,
and energy to be the most extraordinary evidence imaginable.

Rom 1:19-20 . .What may be known about God is plain to them, because
God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's
invisible qualities-- his eternal power and divine nature --have been clearly
seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without
excuse.

The cosmos has been pounding the pulpit for God since time immemorial.

Ps 19:1-4 . .The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the
work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night
they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is
not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of
the world.

Back in 1980 there was a thirteen-part series on television called "COSMOS:
A Personal Voyage
" hosted by Carl Sagan.

I didn't watch the series at that time; and only recently viewed it on
YouTube. It was my first experience with Mr. Sagan. I'd heard of him, but
never actually listened to him speak.

Well, it turns out; I really like the man. Sagan was very personable; sort of
like Mr. Rogers: he was sincere, charming, soft-spoken, and educational;
coupled with a talent for explaining difficult concepts on a layman's level.
Sagan was a perfect front man for the scientific community.

But he was an atheist. Sagan stood against beliefs that the cosmos-- its life,
matter, and energy --is the result of intelligent design.

Well; if there really is a heaven and a hell, then of course Sagan is definitely
in the wrong place; and my heart goes out to him as I can only imagine the
terrible, crushing disappointment that poor man must be feeling. His life's
work was for naught: just a hobby-- an interesting distraction, i.e. a way to
pass the time until his time was up.
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The theological idea of creation ex nihilo (out of nothing) is looking better all
the time as inflation theories increasingly suggest the universe emerged
from no tangible source. And although theorists energetically fantasize an
endless parade of explanations for the origin of the universe, they have been
doing so within the context of the known laws of physics; the meanwhile
having no clue about the origin of those physical laws. In other words: they
cannot explain where those laws came from in the first place-- nor can they
explain why the known laws control matter and energy the way they do
rather than some other way.

When people reach what is commonly called the age of reasoning; some of
their very first questions are: Why am I here? Where did I come from? What
is the meaning of life, and is there a purpose for mine? Am I here by
chance?

I think it's very normal (or at least very common) for people to seek a
justification for their existence; and without it, they can only conclude that
the human experience is futile; which can be roughly defined as serving no
useful purpose; for example:

Nobel Prize winner, author of several best-selling books, and recipient of at
least a dozen honorary degrees, physicist Steven Weinberg (who views
religion as an enemy of science), in his book "The First Three Minutes"
wrote: The more the universe seems comprehensible, the more it seems
pointless. But if there is no solace in the fruits of our research, there is at
least some consolation in the research itself . . . the effort to understand the
universe is one of the very few things that lifts human life a little above the
level of a farce and gives it some of the grace of tragedy.

What a dismal appraisal. In Mr. Weinberg's opinion, the human experience
scarce escapes the categories of farce and tragedy; its quest for knowledge
seems the only thing that gives humanity any justification to exist at all. The
universe? It's just a meaningless void decorated with fascinating objects --a
carnival side show of cosmic curiosities, so to speak.

Wouldn't it be sad if we only lived and died like insects and fungi? I mean,
what would be the point of it all? They say a mind is a terrible thing to
waste. What real advantage is it to have something so useful as a human
mind if it's only going to die and stop working after many years of learning
and experience? And what real advantage is it for the mind of the present to
make the world a better place for the next generation of minds if the mind of
the present doesn't live to see it? That's really no more significant an
existence than that of the individuals in a bee hive or a termite colony.

I think people find comfort in perceiving themselves part of a grand scheme
instead of walking across the stage of their all-too-brief life as an
insignificant speck in a pointless cosmos. Belief that there's someone
somewhere above and beyond themselves gives people's existence value,
meaning, and purpose which, in my opinion, is at least one of the reasons
why supreme beings are so popular.

Galileo felt that science and religion are allies rather than enemies-- two
different languages telling the same story; a story of symmetry and balance:
heaven and hell, positive and negative, weak and strong, right and left, up
and down, night and day, hot and cold, God and Satan. Science and religion
are not at odds; no, in reality, science is just simply too young to
understand.

Dr. Robert Jastow, founder of the Goddard Institute for space studies at
NASA, in his book "God And The Astronomers" says: "Strange developments
are going on in astronomy. One of these is the discovery that the universe
had a beginning. And that means there has to be a beginner. The scientist
has scaled the mountain of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest
peak, and as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of
theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."

Agnostics and atheists claim there is no empirical evidence supporting the
existence of a supreme being. But they are foolishly invalidating perfectly
good evidence all around them and within easy reach. There exists more
evidence in the world of nature and in the sky to prove the reality of a
supreme being than there does to prove otherwise.
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Each of the six days of creation are bounded by an evening and a morning. The seventh is not bounded; it's an open-ended day which means that God is still on sabbatical and hasn't created anything new for the current cosmos since the end of the sixth day, i.e. while the Jews' commemorative seventh day is 24 hours; God's actual seventh day is perpetual. (cf. Heb 4:1-11)
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Yes, the 7th day (His day of rest) has not yet stopped. I think we are in agreement on the others.

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Q: If the Earth was without a Sun to warm if for the first three days:
wouldn't it have gone into deep freeze and killed all the vegetation?

A: The dark side of the Moon gets down to -279º F so it's possible that the
Earth would've gone into deep freeze. However, the creation of the Earth
wasn't left up to nature; viz: it wasn't a natural event; it was a supernatural
event.

One of the creator's names in the Old Testament is Shadday (shad-dah'-ee)
which basically means all powerful; viz: controller of everything, including,
but not limited to; the cosmos' natural laws, i.e. physics. Left up to nature,
the Earth likely would've frozen over and all the vegetation perished; but not
with Shadday in charge.

Scientists will never, ever figure out the origin of the cosmos because
they're searching for a natural cause; which is tantamount to a blind man, in
a dark room, looking for a black cat that isn't there.
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According to the 2016 World Almanac, there were a combined
5,060,258,000 adherents of the six major religions believing in some form of
supreme being-- Baha'i, Christianity, Hindu, Judaism, Islam, and
Zoroastrian. That accounted for roughly 68% of the world's population
around that time.

Atheists came in at 136,483,000, which was roughly 1.84% of the world's
population around that time.

Agnostics came in at 692,111,000; roughly 9.3% of the world's population
around that time.

It's sometimes claimed that most of those five billion+ peoples who
practiced some form of theistic religion were undereducated, and many lived
in countries where the law of the land requires them to believe.

However; of the six deistic religions listed above, in North America there
were 292.833 million adherents and a mere 2.269 million atheists. That's a
whopping 129:1 ratio in an area of the world known for religious liberty and
educational opportunity.

A movie based upon Carl Sagan's novel "Contact" came out in 1997 starring
Jodi Foster. Her character was at first rejected to pilot an alien space-travel
machine for the reason given below.

"Our job was to select someone to speak for everybody; and I just couldn't
in good conscience vote for a person who doesn't believe in God-- someone
who honestly thinks the other 95% of us suffer from some form of mass
delusion."
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In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth

That's all we need to believe

How he did it How long it took him and the rest is irrelevant.
 

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The cosmos is expanding in all directions, and not only expanding, but the
rate of its expansion isn't uniform.

The latest data suggests that the expansion is roughly 73.24± kilometers
per second per megaparsec. (Parsecs are a measure of distance; with a
megaparsec being roughly 3.26 light years.)

For example: elements of the Virgo galaxy cluster are roughly 16.5
megaparsecs from Earth. So the rate of expansion relative to that area of
the universe is about 1,208 kilometers per second. (751 miles)

To put that in perspective: the muzzle velocity of a 55 grain, .223 caliber
rifle bullet is roughly 3,200 feet per second; which translates to a mere
6/10ths of a mile per second. Were someone to try to shoot the Virgo galaxy
cluster in the back with a .223 the exact moment it passed the spot where
they were standing, the bullet would never catch up fast enough to hit it.

Anyway; scientific reasoning says that if the universe is getting bigger, then
there must have been a time when it was smaller: much, much smaller; in
fact so small it was a mere speck. But scientific reasoning has a fatal flaw; it
doesn't reckon with intelligent design.

According to Genesis 1:16, God set the stars in place. In other words;
instead of beginning the expansion of the universe from a starting point; the
cosmos' creator began its expansion from a starting line.
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With God time is not a hindering factor. He can move forward and back through time as many scriptures testify.
The seven days in Genesis is Him declaring the end of things from the beginning (Isaiah 46:10).
The current (dark energy) expanding universe is Him doing it (Isaiah 44:24).
The Lord (the potter) is currently in the process of forming man (Isaiah 64:8).
And while the Lord did rest on the seventh day, (because He's been there in our future); we who are destined to rest with Him on that seventh day have yet to get there (Hebrews 4).


Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Isaiah 64:8 But now, O Lord, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.
 
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I wouldn't bee too quick to believe all this. Scripture says, we cannot know all these things. (Job 38)
“Who is this that darkens counsel
By words without knowledge?
Yes I believe 100% all the water on earth is just a mere puddle in comparison to the size of earth,

a little water from within it is all that is needed to flood the tallest mountain, why because the tallest mountain is just a mere pimple to sized of earth. people are mere micro organisms on earth.

your eyes and brain can't comprehend your standing on a ball when looking out at the horizon at ground level and higher, way up almost to outer space until your eyes n brain can see somewhat of its dimensions.
 

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The cosmos is expanding in all directions, and not only expanding, but the
rate of its expansion isn't uniform.


So, did God create the void of outer space? Or is it eternal, it was always there and always will be there?

Is it endless? Can you keep going in one direction for eternity and never reach an end?
 

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So, did God create the void of outer space?
The answer to your question is located in post No.1


always will be there?
The current cosmos is on track for utter annihilation.
(Isa 65:17, 2Pet 3:10-12, Rev 20:11, and Rev 21:1)


Can you keep going in one direction for eternity and never reach an end?
The full value of pi is 3 followed by an eternity of decimal places.
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The answer to your question is located in post No.1

So the great void of space is created? Wouldn't the void of space have to be the first thing created? A place to put the material world? Light? I mean that God had to put the light somewhere, Didn't He put the light into the darkness of the void? Then separating the two?

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The current cosmos is on track for utter annihilation.
(Isa 65:17, 2Pet 3:10-12, Rev 20:11, and Rev 21:1)


Yes, but does the void of space end also? Planets, stars, the material worlds, yes. But what about endless space, the great void?




The full value of pi is 3 followed by an eternity of decimal places.

Well, since no one has calculated it to an eternal (endless) decimal place, doesn't mean that it doesn't have an end. So your statement is not proven, yet. Jesus has the answer, I'm sure.

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