My Best Explanation for the Trinity. Thoughts?
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Yeaah, everything, all creation, our own existence is beyond our comprehension but God chose to explain everything to us and who will believe God? instead, just like Adam and Eve we forgot and chose to believe something else, a 2000 year old lie still holding strong deeply embedded in the hearts of men.
I'll let you in on a secret. Only God lives forever (eternal), everything else that is not God will perish, all creation will perish. If anyone or anything has any hopes of living forever with God must in God and God in them so that they are one God. God has created that vacancy in the godhead for His beloved. He came down to demonstrate sonship to His beloved so that He being our Father and us His sons, will be in us and us in him and we will be one.
I'll let you in on a secret. Only God lives forever (eternal), everything else that is not God will perish, all creation will perish. If anyone or anything has any hopes of living forever with God must in God and God in them so that they are one God. God has created that vacancy in the godhead for His beloved. He came down to demonstrate sonship to His beloved so that He being our Father and us His sons, will be in us and us in him and we will be one.
In the final analysis ice and water are CO2 and so it is with Father and Son who are One God. (There is only 1 God.)
Col 1 (15) Jesus "is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
(16) For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
(17) And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."
Jesus was the Creator, the Creator is God, Jesus is God.
Jesus was God in the image of man. In the Garden of Gethsemane he was praying as a man.
Col 1 (15) Jesus "is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
(16) For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
(17) And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."
Mat 3:13-17
(13) Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
(14) But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
(15) And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
(16) And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
(17) And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Here we see the Holy Spirit having the appearance of a dove while the Father speaks of the Son who has the appearance of man. These are the three persons of the Trinity and although they look different the same as ice, water and steam look different, in reality the three persons of the Trinity are the One God who is with us in heaven and on earth.
Col 1 (15) Jesus "is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
(16) For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
(17) And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."
Jesus was the Creator, the Creator is God, Jesus is God.
Jesus was God in the image of man. In the Garden of Gethsemane he was praying as a man.
Col 1 (15) Jesus "is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
(16) For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
(17) And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."
Mat 3:13-17
(13) Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
(14) But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
(15) And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
(16) And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
(17) And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Here we see the Holy Spirit having the appearance of a dove while the Father speaks of the Son who has the appearance of man. These are the three persons of the Trinity and although they look different the same as ice, water and steam look different, in reality the three persons of the Trinity are the One God who is with us in heaven and on earth.
Baptism account doesn't prove trinity because it only shows 3 distinct persons, not as one anything but most importantly, the 3 persons did not appear or were not heard physically. It is arguable that only John the baptist and Jesus saw the dove and heard the sound from heaven in the midst of a multitude. The sound was addressing Jesus directly but John later testified that he was told before hand about those things so that he could be a witness as was prophesied in the old testament. The accounts clearly say 'Jesus saw and heard', none says 'they saw and heard' meaning that all these was in the spirit.
Matt 3:16 As soon as Jesus was baptized,He went up out of the water. Suddenly the heavenswere opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and resting on Him. 17And a voice from heaven said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased!”
Mark 1:10 As soon as Jesus came up out of the water, he saw the heavens breaking open and the Spirit descending on Him like a dove. 11And a voice came from heaven: “You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased.”
Luke 3:21 When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as He was praying, heaven was opened, 22and the Holy Spirit descended on Him in a bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased.”
John 1:32 Then John testified, “I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove and resting on Him. 33I myself did not know Him, but the One who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit descend and rest is He who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’
Matt 3:16 As soon as Jesus was baptized,He went up out of the water. Suddenly the heavenswere opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and resting on Him. 17And a voice from heaven said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased!”
Mark 1:10 As soon as Jesus came up out of the water, he saw the heavens breaking open and the Spirit descending on Him like a dove. 11And a voice came from heaven: “You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased.”
Luke 3:21 When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as He was praying, heaven was opened, 22and the Holy Spirit descended on Him in a bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased.”
John 1:32 Then John testified, “I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove and resting on Him. 33I myself did not know Him, but the One who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit descend and rest is He who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’
Rather than take offence let me ask; What's the name of your God, Do you know his name? Is Jesus still alive? Is the Holy Spirit still with us? Was that 3 questions in one or 3 questions? I you answer NO to any of them, I firmly disagree. But I'll cut some slack on God's name due to what ever language you have learned it in.
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A human can not explain God as well as an ant can explain a space shuttle. God is far beyond our comprehension. Our meager attempts may humor him but we should try (as best as we can) to avoid blasphemy by trying to lower God to our level.
The first 3 was 1 question as well as 3. We Can't speak Gods language so give as pass on the first 1/2 of Q# 1. God would be sufficient.
The first 3 was 1 question as well as 3. We Can't speak Gods language so give as pass on the first 1/2 of Q# 1. God would be sufficient.
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One molecule of H20 cannot be liquid, solid and gas at the same time.
The trinity is a construe of man, which is based upon there being three separate and distinct persons, which they claim the Father is not the Son who is not the Holy Spirit who is not the Father nor the Son, they don't each share their Divinity with the other but rather each are Divine in and of themselves, who share the same nature.
Thus, only three molecules of water can be liquid, solid and gas at the same time in which you each molecule of water are separate and distinct from the other H20 molecules, but in these three states of liquid, solid and gas, the molecules of water all share the same nature, being H20.
In such the trinity doctrine doesn't hold any water as far a being the word of truth, hence Jesus taught marvel not ye must be born again of water and Spirit. Those who can hear the wind blow are those who are born of the Spirit because they lack water.
Hence Genesis 7:22, "All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died."
The trinity is a construe of man, which is based upon there being three separate and distinct persons, which they claim the Father is not the Son who is not the Holy Spirit who is not the Father nor the Son, they don't each share their Divinity with the other but rather each are Divine in and of themselves, who share the same nature.
Thus, only three molecules of water can be liquid, solid and gas at the same time in which you each molecule of water are separate and distinct from the other H20 molecules, but in these three states of liquid, solid and gas, the molecules of water all share the same nature, being H20.
In such the trinity doctrine doesn't hold any water as far a being the word of truth, hence Jesus taught marvel not ye must be born again of water and Spirit. Those who can hear the wind blow are those who are born of the Spirit because they lack water.
Hence Genesis 7:22, "All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died."
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