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Yes, Paul did write "at the last trump." But my friend, you have the WRONG SERIES. The trumpets in Revelation are judgements sounded by angels. The rapture is NOT a judgment. It is NOT a "woe." The "last trump" of Paul is undoubtedly speaking of the series of trumps sounded at the Feast of Trumpets. But in ANY case, it is a different series than John shows us in Revelation.
If I said the 6th trumpet, My fingers wrote what was NOT in my mind. The rapture is at the 6th SEAL, not trumpet. You are right here, the 6th trumpet is sounded during the first half of the 70th week.
You are mistaken: John saw the HUGE crowd in heaven, in chapter 7, long before the 6th trumpet.
Again, you have the WRONG SERIES. I guess you know, Paul had NO EARTHLY IDEA of the 7 trumpets in Revelation, for they had not yet been written when Paul wrote. And you can be sure, Paul understood what he wrote. He was thinking of a DIFFERENT series of trumpets. Most Jews would immediately think the Feast of Trumpets. But you are half right, in mentioning "tribulation" saints. AFter the pretrib rapture, millions will turn to God.
N You are mistaken, in thinking the series in Revelation is the series Paul was thinking of. Paul knew NOTHING of those trumpets in Revelation, for God had not yet revealed them to ANYONE. Just take Revelation in the order it is given: John saw the huge crowd too large to number in the throne room, BEFORE the 70th week begins with the 7th seal. Therefore, the rapture is most certainly "pretrib." Don't be thrown off by the two words, "great tribulation." John has not yet started the week, MUCH LESS got to the second half where Jesus said there will be great tribulation greater than every before or after. No, John has not yet started the week, so these could not possibly have come out of the second half of the week. No, all John is telling us is that at the time of the rapture, people will be dying for their testimony around the world. It is that way in half the world today. It will get worse.
Sorry, but this is MYTH - pure fiction. Your theories are simply NOT God's plans. Luke tells us plainly that we can ESCAPE all these things. Paul tells us we have NO APPOINTMENT with His wrath, and so get to "live together with HIM," BEFORE the Day of the Lord begins. That day begins at the 7th seal. That is why John saw the huge crowd JUST BEFORE the 7th seal. We are to be saved from wrath.
Next, what kind of God do you think we serve? Would YOU send YOUR children into a test where they must either lose their head or lose their salvation? It is the DEVIL that loves to put people under this kind of pressure. You are thinking our GOD would be like the devil? NEVER! He has made a way of escape! All we have to do is BE READY.
Coop
If I said the 6th trumpet, My fingers wrote what was NOT in my mind. The rapture is at the 6th SEAL, not trumpet. You are right here, the 6th trumpet is sounded during the first half of the 70th week.
You are mistaken: John saw the HUGE crowd in heaven, in chapter 7, long before the 6th trumpet.
Again, you have the WRONG SERIES. I guess you know, Paul had NO EARTHLY IDEA of the 7 trumpets in Revelation, for they had not yet been written when Paul wrote. And you can be sure, Paul understood what he wrote. He was thinking of a DIFFERENT series of trumpets. Most Jews would immediately think the Feast of Trumpets. But you are half right, in mentioning "tribulation" saints. AFter the pretrib rapture, millions will turn to God.
N You are mistaken, in thinking the series in Revelation is the series Paul was thinking of. Paul knew NOTHING of those trumpets in Revelation, for God had not yet revealed them to ANYONE. Just take Revelation in the order it is given: John saw the huge crowd too large to number in the throne room, BEFORE the 70th week begins with the 7th seal. Therefore, the rapture is most certainly "pretrib." Don't be thrown off by the two words, "great tribulation." John has not yet started the week, MUCH LESS got to the second half where Jesus said there will be great tribulation greater than every before or after. No, John has not yet started the week, so these could not possibly have come out of the second half of the week. No, all John is telling us is that at the time of the rapture, people will be dying for their testimony around the world. It is that way in half the world today. It will get worse.
Sorry, but this is MYTH - pure fiction. Your theories are simply NOT God's plans. Luke tells us plainly that we can ESCAPE all these things. Paul tells us we have NO APPOINTMENT with His wrath, and so get to "live together with HIM," BEFORE the Day of the Lord begins. That day begins at the 7th seal. That is why John saw the huge crowd JUST BEFORE the 7th seal. We are to be saved from wrath.
Next, what kind of God do you think we serve? Would YOU send YOUR children into a test where they must either lose their head or lose their salvation? It is the DEVIL that loves to put people under this kind of pressure. You are thinking our GOD would be like the devil? NEVER! He has made a way of escape! All we have to do is BE READY.
Coop