Why Jesus is NOT coming soon

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It is easy to find out about any individual church. Attend a service and if the gospel message is not preached in one form or another and just a homily is you will have your answer!! Presbyterian USA was taken over in 1932. Possibly a very few might preach the gospel. I talked to one of them several years ago. He was fighting to get the ministers to preach the gospel but was having no luck. Presbyterian PCA does preach the gospel. There are sub denominations and independent churches that still preach the gospel.
I know what a true church is, I'm asking the cultist which cult he believes is the true church. Unfortunately, he won't answer. He did make the statement that all organized churches are from the Antichrist - so my vote is that he is a Moron . . . er, a Mormon.
 

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Are all organized churches of the Antichrist?
I did not say that. I said many are. As far as Old Testament God and New Testament God: they are one in the same.

1 Cor. 10:4
"And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ."

He was in the wilderness with ancient Israel!

John 8:58
"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."

He talked to Moses from the burning bush.

Heb. 13:8
"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."

And He does not change. giggle.gif
 
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Jesus said the law is in effect until heaven and earth disappear. All people are under the law. If we accept Jesus Jesus as our savior the penalty of sin (breaking the law) is removed from us. Most people do not know the the law. It is scattered through the Torah. Here are the 613 laws in the Torah.

In addition to the 10 commandments there are the laws scattered through the Torah.

List of the 613 laws in the Torah
http://www.gods-word-first.org/bible-study/613commandments.html

Discussion about the 613 laws in the Torah
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_commandments
So, you believe that where the Bible says we are indeed dead to the Law through the Blood of Jesus Christ - is factually incorrect? How are you doing with perfectly obeying the Law in it's entirety? James says if you sin in one law you are guilty of all.
 
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I did not say that. I said many are. As far as Old Testament God and New Testament God: they are one in the same.

1 Cor. 10:4 "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ."

He was in the wilderness with ancient Israel!

John 8:58 "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."

He talked to Moses from the burning bush.

Heb. 13:8 "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."

And He does not change. View attachment 188617
You said the Antichrist has hijacked Christianity. You probably should have said that the Antichrist has hijacked 'Christendom' - The gates of hell will never prevail against Christianity - Christendom is not Christianity. Christendom is simply a religious ideal that seeks to profess Christ without possessing Christ.
 

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So, you believe that where the Bible says we are indeed dead to the Law through the Blood of Jesus Christ - is factually incorrect? How are you doing with perfectly obeying the Law in it's entirety? James says if you sin in one law you are guilty of all.
Let's get to basics. I stand on what Jesus said about the law.
1. We all sin.
2. Sin is breaking the law.
3. Therefore the law is in place.
4. If we break the law we are condemned.
5. We have the penalty of our sins removed from us by grace through faith in Jesus.
6. Those who reject Jesus will at judgement time be judged by God according to the law.
7. Woe to them.

Here is Jesus on the law.

Matthew 5 AMPC
17 Do not think that I have come to do away with or undo the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to do away with or undo but to complete and fulfill them.
18 For truly I tell you, until the sky and earth pass away and perish, not one smallest letter nor one little hook [identifying certain Hebrew letters] will pass from the Law until all things [it foreshadows] are accomplished.
19 Whoever then breaks or does away with or relaxes one of the least [important] of these commandments and teaches men so shall be called least [important] in the kingdom of heaven, but he who practices them and teaches others to do so shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

In addition to the 10 commandments there are the laws scattered through the Torah.
List of the 613 laws in the Torah
http://www.gods-word-first.org/bible-study/613commandments.html

Discussion about the 613 laws in the Torah
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_commandments
 

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You said the Antichrist has hijacked Christianity. You probably should have said that the Antichrist has hijacked 'Christendom' - The gates of hell will never prevail against Christianity - Christendom is not Christianity. Christendom is simply a religious ideal that seeks to profess Christ without possessing Christ.
Okay, I stand corrected on my wording. :)
 
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Since the Antichrist has yet to appear, it is Satan and his evil spirits who have hijacked Christendom through false teachers and apostate clergy.
His language . . . not mine.

However, though he has not appeared as of yet - many of us believe that he is alive and waiting in the wings. He's the George Soros of religion, no doubt.
 

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I know what a true church is, I'm asking the cultist which cult he believes is the true church. Unfortunately, he won't answer. He did make the statement that all organized churches are from the Antichrist - so my vote is that he is a Moron . . . er, a Mormon.
I agree with you. I attend a Presbyterian PCA church. At an evening invitational service with refreshments after the service I talked to a man that attended a Lutheran church every Sunday. He was shocked. He heard the gospel message for the first time. He then started attending our church. There are still gospel preaching sub denominations. All of the 7 sisters (the 7 big protestant denominations) are secular. You can see signs of atheists starting to verbally attack Christianity.
 
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Christ will come when it is time for him to come.......and there is but ONE coming of Christ NOT TWO...

Was <-past tense
Is <--present tense when Revelation written
IS TO COME <--future context

All things must jive with one coming....the only scenario that jives is POST TRIBULATION/PRE-WRATH INGATHERING at the PAROUSIA "Coming" of Christ.......

There are events that must occur first...when these events have passed, then LOOK UP for your redemption draws near.....!!
 

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Christ will come when it is time for him to come.......and there is but ONE coming of Christ NOT TWO...

Was <-past tense
Is <--present tense when Revelation written
IS TO COME <--future context

All things must jive with one coming....the only scenario that jives is POST TRIBULATION/PRE-WRATH INGATHERING at the PAROUSIA "Coming" of Christ.......

There are events that must occur first...when these events have passed, then LOOK UP for your redemption draws near.....!!
Daniel is a closed book until end times. It states that twice near the end of the book
Revelation is written with similar symbolic language so it also is closed. Theologians studying all of the eschalogical scripture have created 4 seperate Biblical views of eschatology. It is possible none of them are true. All we can do is pray we will not face that persecution. That will be a horrid time for Christians. Currently many credit cards can be scanned without touching them. That could easily lead to a small RFI chip embedded in the hand to be scanned to make payments. Mark of the beast.
 

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Daniel is a closed book until end times. It states that twice near the end of the book
Revelation is written with similar symbolic language so it also is closed. Theologians studying all of the eschalogical scripture have created 4 seperate Biblical views of eschatology. It is possible none of them are true. All we can do is pray we will not face that persecution. That will be a horrid time for Christians. Currently many credit cards can be scanned without touching them. That could easily lead to a small RFI chip embedded in the hand to be scanned to make payments. Mark of the beast.
I agree, pray so we Will not face persecution, It is scary, but matt 24 say, there Will be persecution, the world Will hate you

Matt 24

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
 

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Daniel is a closed book until end times.
Daniel was a "closed" book until the coming of Christ. But since Christ said WHOSO READETH LET HIM UNDERSTAND in connection with Daniel, we are expected to understand what Daniel revealed in view of the NT prophecies, particularly the book of Revelation.

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)...

Daniel already wrote history in advance (until the Roman Empire), but he also provided an insight into the future, which is Daniel's 70th week (the worldwide reign of the Antichrist and its aftermath).
 

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His language . . . not mine.

However, though he has not appeared as of yet - many of us believe that he is alive and waiting in the wings. He's the George Soros of religion, no doubt.
Antichrist will not be an individual human being. Antichrist is an actual movement that started in the first century according to: 1 Jn. 4:3 "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."

It specifically states antichrist is in the spirit realm. Demons pretending to be the Holy Spirit. Now the son of perdition is human, but again not one human. He has been revealed already also, and the mark of the beast is all around us. We were all born into it. :)
 

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Antichrist will not be an individual human being. Antichrist is an actual movement that started in the first century according to: 1 Jn. 4:3 "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."

It specifically states antichrist is in the spirit realm. Demons pretending to be the Holy Spirit. Now the son of perdition is human, but again not one human. He has been revealed already also, and the mark of the beast is all around us. We were all born into it. :)
Antichrist start at first century, but not end till the second coming, and shortly before the second coming he Will severly persecute Christian

Matt 24
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

These verse not happen yet.

Verse 14 ....then shall the end come indicate this story happeng shortly before the second coming.
 

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Daniel was a "closed" book until the coming of Christ. But since Christ said WHOSO READETH LET HIM UNDERSTAND in connection with Daniel, we are expected to understand what Daniel revealed in view of the NT prophecies, particularly the book of Revelation.

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)...

Daniel already wrote history in advance (until the Roman Empire), but he also provided an insight into the future, which is Daniel's 70th week (the worldwide reign of the Antichrist and its aftermath).
There are a couple of visions that we understand but the rest of the book is closed.. Why do you reject what Daniel says about itself?

Daniel 12 AMPC notice verse 4 and 9
4 But you, O Daniel, shut up the words and seal the Book until the time of the end. [Then] many shall run to and fro and search anxiously [through the Book], and knowledge [of God’s purposes as revealed by His prophets] shall be increased and become great.
5 Then I, Daniel, looked, and behold, there stood two others, the one on the brink of the river on this side and the other on the brink of the river on that side.
6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right and his left hand toward the heavens and swore by Him Who lives forever that it shall be for a time, times, and a half a time [or three and one-half years]; and when they have made an end of shattering and crushing the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
8 And I heard, but I did not understand. Then I said, O my lord, what shall be the issue and final end of these things?
9 And he [the angel] said, Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed till the time of the end.
10 Many shall purify themselves and make themselves white and be tried, smelted, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly. And none of the wicked shall understand, but the teachers and those who are wise shall understand.
 

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Well, I hope that you don't end up meeting the man . . . just sayin'
My name is written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world, so you have no need to worry on that account :)