My Best Explanation for the Trinity. Thoughts?
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Hey JerseyChristian, you are brave to share your thoughts on the Mystery of the trinity, as it's called. If you could explain or define it, I'm not sure folk could get their heads around it. Personal revelation by the 'Breath of Life', the Holy Spirit is one's only hope of getting a glimpse of God's perfect HOLINESS and INTELLIGENCE, I reckon.
I was raised RC, and they have their definitions of the 'trinity'. Jehovah's Witnesses have their whack definitions of the 'trinity'. I would be suspicious of any cult or belief system that claims to have the definition of the 'trinity' spot-on. Cults need to claim to 'have the answers'. Don't be fooled.
Here's a hint from Isaiah about the nature of our Creator...
Isaiah 55 vv 7-9 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
When it comes to explaining the 'trinity' to non-believers, Good Luck. With non-believers, focus on the Cross of Christ, our need for forgiveness, and God's Kingdom, then let the Holy Spirit work. Some will believe and be saved. Trust in the 'foolishness of the Cross' to touch and convict a listener. It is an act of Faith, not intelligent explanations that fit the human mind.
I was raised RC, and they have their definitions of the 'trinity'. Jehovah's Witnesses have their whack definitions of the 'trinity'. I would be suspicious of any cult or belief system that claims to have the definition of the 'trinity' spot-on. Cults need to claim to 'have the answers'. Don't be fooled.
Here's a hint from Isaiah about the nature of our Creator...
Isaiah 55 vv 7-9 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
When it comes to explaining the 'trinity' to non-believers, Good Luck. With non-believers, focus on the Cross of Christ, our need for forgiveness, and God's Kingdom, then let the Holy Spirit work. Some will believe and be saved. Trust in the 'foolishness of the Cross' to touch and convict a listener. It is an act of Faith, not intelligent explanations that fit the human mind.
I would have to say that I can be three things at once myself.
1. I'm a Father
2. I'm a Brother
3. I'm a Husband
Now all three of these are me... in one...
Now I don't even begin to understand this, as I am just a mere man and cannot split myself into three different persons, but God can. God can do anything. Three distinct persons, but one; just as me!
1. God is God
2. Jesus is God
3. Holy Spirit is God
Get? Got it? Good!
1. I'm a Father
2. I'm a Brother
3. I'm a Husband
Now all three of these are me... in one...
Now I don't even begin to understand this, as I am just a mere man and cannot split myself into three different persons, but God can. God can do anything. Three distinct persons, but one; just as me!
1. God is God
2. Jesus is God
3. Holy Spirit is God
Get? Got it? Good!
I'm sorry to say epiales but your unknowingly promoting what is known as "Modalism" which the oneness pentecostals teach. It teaches that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are in different modes/roles or manifestations of the one God.
The big problem with this error is that it denies the "distinction" of persons within the Godhead/Trinity. A good example of what I mean is the mediatorial work of Jesus Christ at 1 Timothy 2:5, "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."
Since Modalism teaches that God the Father and God the Son are one and the same person then God is really mediating with Himself. He's playing the role of the Father and the Son. Another example would be at Mark 1:11, "and a voice came out of the heavens; "Thou art My beloeved Son, in Thee I am well pleased." If Modalism is true then in this verse God is pleased with Himself because He is playing both roles. Does this make sense?
IN GOD THE SON,
maverick
The big problem with this error is that it denies the "distinction" of persons within the Godhead/Trinity. A good example of what I mean is the mediatorial work of Jesus Christ at 1 Timothy 2:5, "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."
Since Modalism teaches that God the Father and God the Son are one and the same person then God is really mediating with Himself. He's playing the role of the Father and the Son. Another example would be at Mark 1:11, "and a voice came out of the heavens; "Thou art My beloeved Son, in Thee I am well pleased." If Modalism is true then in this verse God is pleased with Himself because He is playing both roles. Does this make sense?
IN GOD THE SON,
maverick
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I'm sorry to say epiales but your unknowingly promoting what is known as "Modalism" which the oneness pentecostals teach. It teaches that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are in different modes/roles or manifestations of the one God.
The big problem with this error is that it denies the "distinction" of persons within the Godhead/Trinity. A good example of what I mean is the mediatorial work of Jesus Christ at 1 Timothy 2:5, "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."
Since Modalism teaches that God the Father and God the Son are one and the same person then God is really mediating with Himself. He's playing the role of the Father and the Son. Another example would be at Mark 1:11, "and a voice came out of the heavens; "Thou art My beloeved Son, in Thee I am well pleased." If Modalism is true then in this verse God is pleased with Himself because He is playing both roles. Does this make sense?
IN GOD THE SON,
maverick
The big problem with this error is that it denies the "distinction" of persons within the Godhead/Trinity. A good example of what I mean is the mediatorial work of Jesus Christ at 1 Timothy 2:5, "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."
Since Modalism teaches that God the Father and God the Son are one and the same person then God is really mediating with Himself. He's playing the role of the Father and the Son. Another example would be at Mark 1:11, "and a voice came out of the heavens; "Thou art My beloeved Son, in Thee I am well pleased." If Modalism is true then in this verse God is pleased with Himself because He is playing both roles. Does this make sense?
IN GOD THE SON,
maverick
Surely, the mystery of Godliness is great. If it was obvious, or definable, it would not be a mystery.
Our human minds can't comprehend His being. How many places is that said in His Word?
Knowing that we are known and loved by such a perfect, timeless Father is a comfort and a matter of Faith.
If God was merely like 'one of us', we would have no hope.
Defining His wondrous perfection in human terms is like holding a candle to the cosmos and saying, "that is what it is".
The 'Trinity' is only to be trusted, not defined by us. He reveals what we need to understand of Himself. That is FAITH in the One in Charge.
Christ Jesus: all our human failings paid for; Holy Spirit: the Spirit of Truth to lead and correct our path; The Eternal Father: Constant Love and Wisdom guiding and protecting His beloved family.
You Are Loved. Accept it. You may not be able to 'define' it, but RECEIVE LOVE AS A CHILD RECEIVES LOVE. Joyfully. All will be revealed.
Our human minds can't comprehend His being. How many places is that said in His Word?
Knowing that we are known and loved by such a perfect, timeless Father is a comfort and a matter of Faith.
If God was merely like 'one of us', we would have no hope.
Defining His wondrous perfection in human terms is like holding a candle to the cosmos and saying, "that is what it is".
The 'Trinity' is only to be trusted, not defined by us. He reveals what we need to understand of Himself. That is FAITH in the One in Charge.
Christ Jesus: all our human failings paid for; Holy Spirit: the Spirit of Truth to lead and correct our path; The Eternal Father: Constant Love and Wisdom guiding and protecting His beloved family.
You Are Loved. Accept it. You may not be able to 'define' it, but RECEIVE LOVE AS A CHILD RECEIVES LOVE. Joyfully. All will be revealed.
Well, if as you say you understand what Modalism is please tell me if you agree with the following statement? "Jesus is the word, the God, the flesh, the Spirit, the man, the Father, the Son, the Alpha&Omega, the Lord God Almighty, He is all!"
This statement is from a very staunch oneness Pentecostal who is and teaches "Modalism." Now, you said you don't believe in that/Modalism but yet this is what your promoting, knowingly or unknowingly, it's still a heretical teaching. You also stated in your first post, "Now, I don't even begin to understand this," That may be but your final four words in you post were adament. You said, "Get? Got it? Good!"
Now, you make think that I'm "knitpicking" but what you say on these boards others read including "lurkers" and they might think what your saying "orthodox" and seems to make sense. Your doing a disservice to them because your understanding is "NOT" Biblical.
In fact, even you saying the three persons are "distinct" which is correct but you also used the word "separate." The persons of the Trinity are indeed distinct but they are not separate. There is a difference between the two words. When you use the word "separate" it implies three separate gods.
Bear with me with the following example of what I'm talking about. Picture a tricycle which has three wheels. These wheels are distinct from one another and yet they are tied together. If the wheels were "separate" from one another the bike would be unable to move. Do you see the point? And of course Jesus is God, that's a given.
Let me give you the definition of the Trinity. It is a doctrine that explains the nature OF THE ONE TRUE GOD described in the Bible. It is drawn from a HARMONIZATION of ALL of Scripture and not just from one or two verses. If you will examine the Bible thoroughly you should be able to quickly discover that there are THREE AND ONLY THREE PERSONS who are IDENTIFED AS GOD. By what means do you think the three persons of the Trinity are identified as God? I'm purposefully putting you on the spot here epiales. If someone ask you how what is the Trinity, what would you tell them?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
This statement is from a very staunch oneness Pentecostal who is and teaches "Modalism." Now, you said you don't believe in that/Modalism but yet this is what your promoting, knowingly or unknowingly, it's still a heretical teaching. You also stated in your first post, "Now, I don't even begin to understand this," That may be but your final four words in you post were adament. You said, "Get? Got it? Good!"
Now, you make think that I'm "knitpicking" but what you say on these boards others read including "lurkers" and they might think what your saying "orthodox" and seems to make sense. Your doing a disservice to them because your understanding is "NOT" Biblical.
In fact, even you saying the three persons are "distinct" which is correct but you also used the word "separate." The persons of the Trinity are indeed distinct but they are not separate. There is a difference between the two words. When you use the word "separate" it implies three separate gods.
Bear with me with the following example of what I'm talking about. Picture a tricycle which has three wheels. These wheels are distinct from one another and yet they are tied together. If the wheels were "separate" from one another the bike would be unable to move. Do you see the point? And of course Jesus is God, that's a given.
Let me give you the definition of the Trinity. It is a doctrine that explains the nature OF THE ONE TRUE GOD described in the Bible. It is drawn from a HARMONIZATION of ALL of Scripture and not just from one or two verses. If you will examine the Bible thoroughly you should be able to quickly discover that there are THREE AND ONLY THREE PERSONS who are IDENTIFED AS GOD. By what means do you think the three persons of the Trinity are identified as God? I'm purposefully putting you on the spot here epiales. If someone ask you how what is the Trinity, what would you tell them?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Well, if as you say you understand what Modalism is please tell me if you agree with the following statement? "Jesus is the word, the God, the flesh, the Spirit, the man, the Father, the Son, the Alpha&Omega, the Lord God Almighty, He is all!"
This statement is from a very staunch oneness Pentecostal who is and teaches "Modalism." Now, you said you don't believe in that/Modalism but yet this is what your promoting, knowingly or unknowingly, it's still a heretical teaching. You also stated in your first post, "Now, I don't even begin to understand this," That may be but your final four words in you post were adament. You said, "Get? Got it? Good!"
Now, you make think that I'm "knitpicking" but what you say on these boards others read including "lurkers" and they might think what your saying "orthodox" and seems to make sense. Your doing a disservice to them because your understanding is "NOT" Biblical.
In fact, even you saying the three persons are "distinct" which is correct but you also used the word "separate." The persons of the Trinity are indeed distinct but they are not separate. There is a difference between the two words. When you use the word "separate" it implies three separate gods.
Bear with me with the following example of what I'm talking about. Picture a tricycle which has three wheels. These wheels are distinct from one another and yet they are tied together. If the wheels were "separate" from one another the bike would be unable to move. Do you see the point? And of course Jesus is God, that's a given.
Let me give you the definition of the Trinity. It is a doctrine that explains the nature OF THE ONE TRUE GOD described in the Bible. It is drawn from a HARMONIZATION of ALL of Scripture and not just from one or two verses. If you will examine the Bible thoroughly you should be able to quickly discover that there are THREE AND ONLY THREE PERSONS who are IDENTIFED AS GOD. By what means do you think the three persons of the Trinity are identified as God? I'm purposefully putting you on the spot here epiales. If someone ask you how what is the Trinity, what would you tell them?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
This statement is from a very staunch oneness Pentecostal who is and teaches "Modalism." Now, you said you don't believe in that/Modalism but yet this is what your promoting, knowingly or unknowingly, it's still a heretical teaching. You also stated in your first post, "Now, I don't even begin to understand this," That may be but your final four words in you post were adament. You said, "Get? Got it? Good!"
Now, you make think that I'm "knitpicking" but what you say on these boards others read including "lurkers" and they might think what your saying "orthodox" and seems to make sense. Your doing a disservice to them because your understanding is "NOT" Biblical.
In fact, even you saying the three persons are "distinct" which is correct but you also used the word "separate." The persons of the Trinity are indeed distinct but they are not separate. There is a difference between the two words. When you use the word "separate" it implies three separate gods.
Bear with me with the following example of what I'm talking about. Picture a tricycle which has three wheels. These wheels are distinct from one another and yet they are tied together. If the wheels were "separate" from one another the bike would be unable to move. Do you see the point? And of course Jesus is God, that's a given.
Let me give you the definition of the Trinity. It is a doctrine that explains the nature OF THE ONE TRUE GOD described in the Bible. It is drawn from a HARMONIZATION of ALL of Scripture and not just from one or two verses. If you will examine the Bible thoroughly you should be able to quickly discover that there are THREE AND ONLY THREE PERSONS who are IDENTIFED AS GOD. By what means do you think the three persons of the Trinity are identified as God? I'm purposefully putting you on the spot here epiales. If someone ask you how what is the Trinity, what would you tell them?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
"Jesus is the word, the God, the flesh, the Spirit, the man, the Father, the Son, the Alpha&Omega, the Lord God Almighty, He is all!"
God is God, regardless of how we comprehend or not comprehend. He can do what He wishes, included be three different persons if He wishes. Again I will say I believe in the Trinity, as three distinct and separate persons. My understanding might be different than yours, but that is the doctrine of the Trinity. There are not three separate Gods, but one GOD. However He decides to manifest or accomplish three persons, that's Him; as stated, nobody knows the awesomeness of God and how He works.
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Why are you taking this so personal? How in the world do you know that I "think everyone else that doesn't think like me is a heretical thinker or teacher?" I never said or even implied such a thing. Tell me, what did I say in my post that is not true? Your in the big leagues now and not messing around with a little kid. There's a real world out there that is an upholstered cesspool where some want answers and others who are wolves wanting gobble you up so you better darn well know what your talking about. 1 Peter 3:15, "but sancitify Christ as Lord in your hearts, ALWAYS READY to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence."
And here is what the Apostle Paul said at Acts 20:27-31, "For I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole purpose of God, vs28, Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shephered the church of God which He purchased with His own blood, vs29, I know that after my departure SAVAGE WOLVES will come in among you, not sparing the flock, vs30, and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them. vs31, Therefore be on the alert, remembering that night and day for a period of three years I did not cease to admonish each one with tears."
In other words, the church will be attacked not only from without, like the oneness pentecostals, Jw's, Unitarians, Christedelphians, the mind sciences cults but even within the church the sheep will be attacked. This would include Wof churches, liberal churches, and even some so-called orthordox churches that are departing from the faith once for all delivered to the saints. Jude 3,4.
Finally, what's this mean, "God is God and He can do what He wants?" Or, "how we comprehend or not comprehend" God is God? Or, "everything is a mystery." As if to say nothing matters because nobody can comprehend God. Do you really think God is so mysterious that he left us to grope around trying to figure Him out? He lives in your heart, get to know Him and quit making excuses like your still feeding on bable formula.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
And here is what the Apostle Paul said at Acts 20:27-31, "For I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole purpose of God, vs28, Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shephered the church of God which He purchased with His own blood, vs29, I know that after my departure SAVAGE WOLVES will come in among you, not sparing the flock, vs30, and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them. vs31, Therefore be on the alert, remembering that night and day for a period of three years I did not cease to admonish each one with tears."
In other words, the church will be attacked not only from without, like the oneness pentecostals, Jw's, Unitarians, Christedelphians, the mind sciences cults but even within the church the sheep will be attacked. This would include Wof churches, liberal churches, and even some so-called orthordox churches that are departing from the faith once for all delivered to the saints. Jude 3,4.
Finally, what's this mean, "God is God and He can do what He wants?" Or, "how we comprehend or not comprehend" God is God? Or, "everything is a mystery." As if to say nothing matters because nobody can comprehend God. Do you really think God is so mysterious that he left us to grope around trying to figure Him out? He lives in your heart, get to know Him and quit making excuses like your still feeding on bable formula.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Isn't that what Gnostic's claim? Some secret knowledge that others don't know about? And not calling you a Gnostic, just wonder if you are familiar with them. Anyway, as I stated, I believe in the Trinity. Some might not like my understanding or explanation, but doesn't matter to me. I know who God is... I know who Jesus is...
Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Joh 8:24 Therefore I told you that you will die in your sins. If you don’t believe that I am, you will die in your sins.”
I think you answered quite vividly in the quotes above. I'm a big boy and not in diapers. Lovely how you love to insult people.
I believe the two most attacked beliefs of Christ are the Trinity / Deity and Eternal Security. They will be even more attacked as God allows this world to go on. All I hear from your posts is that one doesn't believe just like you, they are heretics, wolves in sheep's clothing, still on baby formula, and within the Church. I have explained how and defined how I understand the "Trinity". I'm not sure why people can't have a conversation without all the insults. But, as stated, I"m a big boy and can handle any nasty and untrue comments you wish to throw my way; that's called maturity.
So am I wrong in saying that there are three and those three are ONE? I'm really not sure where your problem lies with me, as I stand true and hold fast to the Trinity. I might explain it differently, but in the end, it's still the trinity. You have YOUR way, I have MINE. Simple...
Get it? Got it? Good!
Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Joh 8:24 Therefore I told you that you will die in your sins. If you don’t believe that I am, you will die in your sins.”
I think you answered quite vividly in the quotes above. I'm a big boy and not in diapers. Lovely how you love to insult people.
I believe the two most attacked beliefs of Christ are the Trinity / Deity and Eternal Security. They will be even more attacked as God allows this world to go on. All I hear from your posts is that one doesn't believe just like you, they are heretics, wolves in sheep's clothing, still on baby formula, and within the Church. I have explained how and defined how I understand the "Trinity". I'm not sure why people can't have a conversation without all the insults. But, as stated, I"m a big boy and can handle any nasty and untrue comments you wish to throw my way; that's called maturity.
So am I wrong in saying that there are three and those three are ONE? I'm really not sure where your problem lies with me, as I stand true and hold fast to the Trinity. I might explain it differently, but in the end, it's still the trinity. You have YOUR way, I have MINE. Simple...
Get it? Got it? Good!
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No, your not wrong when you say, "that there are three and those three are ONE?" Where your wrong is when you attempt to explain the Trinity as 3 modes or roles. I'm a son, I'm a husband, and I'm a father becasue I have children and yet it's me, the same person. Secondly, God is ONE in nature and three in persons.
Jesus Christ according to John 3:16 is the one and only begotten Son of God as in there are not others. Jesus has two natures, one on His mothers which is human and one on His Father's side which is deity. It is a universal law that a son shares the same nature as its father. And this is not about me having it my way or you having it your way. This is not Burger King where you can have it your way. There is only one way and that is the Bibles way, period.
I'm really trying hard by telling you your way of explaing the Trinity is "NOT" Biblical, it's heretical. Just google "modalism" and read the hundreds of sites that explain why it's wrong. And like I said, I'm not here to demean or insult you. I'm trying to teach you something in order to avoid being in error because error begats more error. Look, I've been a Trinitarian Christian for over 55 years now and I know what I'm talking about. I've had many formal debates with oneness pentecostals, mormons, Jw's and even atheist. My mentor was Dr. Walter Martin, google him and you will understand where I'm coming from.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Jesus Christ according to John 3:16 is the one and only begotten Son of God as in there are not others. Jesus has two natures, one on His mothers which is human and one on His Father's side which is deity. It is a universal law that a son shares the same nature as its father. And this is not about me having it my way or you having it your way. This is not Burger King where you can have it your way. There is only one way and that is the Bibles way, period.
I'm really trying hard by telling you your way of explaing the Trinity is "NOT" Biblical, it's heretical. Just google "modalism" and read the hundreds of sites that explain why it's wrong. And like I said, I'm not here to demean or insult you. I'm trying to teach you something in order to avoid being in error because error begats more error. Look, I've been a Trinitarian Christian for over 55 years now and I know what I'm talking about. I've had many formal debates with oneness pentecostals, mormons, Jw's and even atheist. My mentor was Dr. Walter Martin, google him and you will understand where I'm coming from.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
I hate to say this, but whether you know it or not, you are contradicting yourself, while stating that you agree with the statement of the man teaching Modalism.
You say you don't believe the same as the above quote, while stating the same thing.
God is not into roll playing.
I think, roll playing is what you believe in, because that is the only picture you have that makes any sense to you.
Perhaps if you were to look at God more along the lines of a body, it might give you a better picture of how God can be three, yet one.
The bible talks about the body being of many parts and members, yet it is one body, controlled by the head. For the most part, that is true.
The hand, foot, ear, or tongue are not the same as the head, but distinct. But because they are of the same body, what you do to one part affects the whole. Every part is of one body, and yet, though each part functions in an area the others cannot, if you were to inflict one member, the whole body would feel it and react as one, guided by the head.
God is similar to the above example, only it is more on the spiritual side.
Both God and man are alike, in that, we both have a physical flesh and bone body, for Jesus is God and He took His flesh and bone body with Him to heaven.
We both have a conscious sole. That being the Father.
We both have a heart of flesh, the Spirit of God dwells in, and flows out of. That being the Son.
And we both have a spirit man, That being the Holy Spirit. Not a thing, but a person or being that thinks and has feeling of His own.
Even though the Father is the head, both the Spirit and Son/Heart, can and does affect the decisions and attitudes of the Father, even as our spirit man and heart affect our decisions and attitudes.
Have you ever wondered out loud as to why you would say or do something that you regretted later? Such as saying something bad to one of your children who kept doing the same dumb thing repeatedly, only to apologize later. If you said it without thought, then that was most likely your spirit man that caused you to get angry, and your heart, that used your mouth, without thought or before the conscious part of you could take control, before blasting your child.
God the Father is like that too.
If you get the Holy One of Israel/Jesus upset, because He is part of the makeup of God, He will cause the Father to be upset and react.
I have a little saying that the bible backs up as being true. Whosoever or whatsoever controls the heart, controls and/or affects the man.
The same hold true with God.
You say you don't believe the same as the above quote, while stating the same thing.
God is not into roll playing.
I think, roll playing is what you believe in, because that is the only picture you have that makes any sense to you.
Perhaps if you were to look at God more along the lines of a body, it might give you a better picture of how God can be three, yet one.
The bible talks about the body being of many parts and members, yet it is one body, controlled by the head. For the most part, that is true.
The hand, foot, ear, or tongue are not the same as the head, but distinct. But because they are of the same body, what you do to one part affects the whole. Every part is of one body, and yet, though each part functions in an area the others cannot, if you were to inflict one member, the whole body would feel it and react as one, guided by the head.
God is similar to the above example, only it is more on the spiritual side.
Both God and man are alike, in that, we both have a physical flesh and bone body, for Jesus is God and He took His flesh and bone body with Him to heaven.
We both have a conscious sole. That being the Father.
We both have a heart of flesh, the Spirit of God dwells in, and flows out of. That being the Son.
And we both have a spirit man, That being the Holy Spirit. Not a thing, but a person or being that thinks and has feeling of His own.
Even though the Father is the head, both the Spirit and Son/Heart, can and does affect the decisions and attitudes of the Father, even as our spirit man and heart affect our decisions and attitudes.
Have you ever wondered out loud as to why you would say or do something that you regretted later? Such as saying something bad to one of your children who kept doing the same dumb thing repeatedly, only to apologize later. If you said it without thought, then that was most likely your spirit man that caused you to get angry, and your heart, that used your mouth, without thought or before the conscious part of you could take control, before blasting your child.
God the Father is like that too.
If you get the Holy One of Israel/Jesus upset, because He is part of the makeup of God, He will cause the Father to be upset and react.
I have a little saying that the bible backs up as being true. Whosoever or whatsoever controls the heart, controls and/or affects the man.
The same hold true with God.
Well, one can argue semantics all day. I have explained it with my understanding, thus the actual topic title "My best explanation of the Trinity." You don't like my explanation, that's cool. I see it how I perceive and understand it, and it's not modalism, regardless of our theological differences. Some people have a very difficult time trying to understand the Trinity. I explain it so that they can at least have some idea of the three being distinct, but yet still the same God. Now if I denied the Trinity, or denied the Deity, then I can possibly understand the issue, but I do not! Like I said, that and Eternal Security are the two most attacked within our Christian doctrine, in which I am not surprised at all. Take away these things and it crumbles the entire doctrine IMO. This back and forth will not be edifying as well. You explain your way and I will mine, and so, I humbly move on to another topic. May the blessings of Yahweh richly be upon us!
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No, you mean God showed you how He is ONE being in three persons. When you say God is three beings it implies if not outright means God is three gods.
IN GOD THE SON,
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IN GOD THE SON,
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I'm using the word person, as a whole, such as you are a person, and the word being, like that of an entity with its own thoughts and intents, yet a part of the whole.
That is what I was shown.
God is three beings in one person, even as there are three beings in you, the person. God is no different.
I suppose that's okay for you, but if I wanted to know the truth of a subject, I both go to God asking Him to reveal the truth and compare scripture to both sides of the argument, putting my believes or doctrines on trial, so to speak.
I do this, because the truths of God means more to me than the doctrines I want to believe in, and more than the value I put on the teachings of someone I respect. And I do this because I know that God's truths are like God Himself, faithful all the time, every time, forever.
I do this, because the truths of God means more to me than the doctrines I want to believe in, and more than the value I put on the teachings of someone I respect. And I do this because I know that God's truths are like God Himself, faithful all the time, every time, forever.
