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Jackson123

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posthuman said:
my impression of Jackson is that he knows and believes the gospel, and he often asks questions that make us think, and questions that point out flaws in logic and arguments.
i think this is better many times than trying to type out a sermon to tell people what they should think. when we come to a conclusion in our own mind, we are more ready to believe 'this is how it is' than if someone just tells us 'this is how it is'
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I am from the country, that people use the power of dark to do a miracle. In whealthy country, the devil work in different way, in wealthy country, devil work through sex, luxury life style etc.

So when I watch this pastor, I question myself, is that possible this pastor pretend to be Christian but use the power of darkness to perform this miracle?

I believe both God and devil able to do this kind of miracle. So I ask our brother and sister here to help me understand where is the pastor miracle come from?

But I like if the answer with reason.

For example one say this is from the devil, why?

Because he is rich.

Is rich proof the miracle from the devil?

Other may say, this is from the devil, because God not able to do miracle

Is God do not have ability to make miracle

Other may say, this is from the devil, because God do not want to do miracle anymore

Where is the verse that say so?

We have a lot of Christian that study bible here, better than one person.

In my experience if I fix something, 2 or 3 head do better job than one head.
 
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Jackson123

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God uses everyone, whether rich or poor, he even used Judas. A persons wealth has little to do with it, what matters is a persons heart. God looks on the heart, but we cannot do that. Neither do I believe we should judge others, that is for God.

All I would say, is that if this man sends out begging letters, tells people to donate money to him, and constantly appeals for money, then I would be very wary. A true man of God does it out of love for others and the master.

Jesus is our example. Did he live the high life? No, he did not.
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You mention Judas,

A thief, but God use it. In the OT God use an animal to talk( to do miracle)

So you do believe miracle from God may perform by non Christian, am I right?

Than you say if the man asking donation, it may not God man.

But you believe non God man may use by God to do miracle, am I correct?
 
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posthuman

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Jackson123 said:
So you believe the miracle this pastor do may from the Lord, may not. The fact he is rich do not mean he work for the devil. Am I correct?
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yes
until I hear his message I don't know if it is message from God. Jesus says, don't judge by appearances
 
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Jackson123 said:
You mention Judas,

A thief, but God use it. In the OT God use an animal to talk( to do miracle)

So you do believe miracle from God may perform by non Christian, am I right?

Than you say if the man asking donation, it may not God man.

But you believe non God man may use by God to do miracle, am I correct?
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See post #31. They have it right.
 
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Jackson123

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It is fake.
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Some believe it is fake, some believe evil spirit able to give such information, some believe God able to give such information.

In the poor country, like Indonesia, people use evil spirit to help solve their problem. Satan is a spirit, we can not see them, but they see us. They know what your name, where you live etc.

People that have a contract with the devil, able to communicate with them.

For example, when I was young, people in my town consult to shaman if they lost something. Shaman pray to the devil infront of water basin, than this people see who stole his thing and where they hide. This practice has diminish now, but was happen.

After I learn Bible, how devil is a spirit, I am not surprise that he has such ability.

So does God.

I believe both God and devil able to do miracle.

With this reason there are 3 possibility for this pastor

1 fake
2 he use evil spirit

3. It is God power.
 
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The devil does have some power on this earth. He is able to let people use magic and sorcery. However, God's got more power and is in control.

Pharaoh's magician and sorcerers threw down their staffs and they turned to snakes. Aaron threw down his staff and became a snake that devoured the others.

The key here is using the Word and Spirit of God to determine what is from God and what is not from God.
 
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Every thing that says that it is of God is not of God. Sometimes you have to examine it by it's deeds and words and if it's deeds are contrary to the Word of God you can be sure that it is not of God. Even the Devil can transform himself into an angel of the light to trick folks, but if we examine it and look closely he will deny God's Word through his deeds. He may not tell you that he is the Devil or and evil spirit but he will go contrary to the Word of God in some way.
 
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Jackson123

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1ofthem said:
Every thing that says that it is of God is not of God. Sometimes you have to examine it by it's deeds and words and if it's deeds are contrary to the Word of God you can be sure that it is not of God. Even the Devil can transform himself into an angel of the light to trick folks, but if we examine it and look closely he will deny God's Word through his deeds. He may not tell you that he is the Devil or and evil spirit but he will go contrary to the Word of God in some way.
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In other word, you believe miracle can be from a God or devil.

You believe Miracle not always fake, Am I correct?
 
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Jackson123

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One of Indonesian tv news broadcast about a man in gorontalo, he kill police, he was not afraid, not hide, challenge police to shoot him, and police shoot him but it not harm him, there is no wounds.

This is the power of the devil.

Finally police get information the power is in his ring.

This video give us an idea that the devil has ability to do miracle.

 
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Jackson123 said:
You believe Miracle not always fake, Am I correct?
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Jackson, if you want to become a disciple of this pastor Alph Lukau, go ahead by all means.

But one should not dwell on the shenanigans of those claiming to be miracle workers. There is a lot of fakery and mental and emotional manipulation in many of these gatherings.

There are many miracles worldwide daily. But it is God doing those miracles. Not some flashy miracle worker who rides around like a king. That's how the Antichrist will behave.
 
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Jackson what happened to that guy who got shot but didnt have wounds in the end? is he still alive do you know bro?
 
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Jackson123

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Nehemiah6 said:
Jackson, if you want to become a disciple of this pastor Alph Lukau, go ahead by all means.

But one should not dwell on the shenanigans of those claiming to be miracle workers. There is a lot of fakery and mental and emotional manipulation in many of these gatherings.

There are many miracles worldwide daily. But it is God doing those miracles. Not some flashy miracle worker who rides around like a king. That's how the Antichrist will behave.
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So you believe God does miracle, but you do not believe God use rich man to do miracle, am I correct?
 
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Jackson123

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Hevosmies said:
Jackson what happened to that guy who got shot but didnt have wounds in the end? is he still alive do you know bro?
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According to one of news paper, a secret police investigate, ask around to find his weak spot, one of his friend told police his weak spot is in his ring, so police sent a sniper to shoot his ring and he is done.

When I was young, one of my friend dad had the power of darkness, I wasn't know, I think that is kind of knowledge. Now I know it is the power of darkness. This power always have a weak spot. One day his truck
Tire was flat. He lift up the rear car with his hand, and put a wood to change the tire. People in town was amazed and every body respect him.

In 1966 when Muslim kill communist, people accused him as communist, the army protect him and put him in the army station under army protection.

One day he want to visit his family, Muslim know and seround him, they use a sword, Bambi stick etc to kill him, but it did not harm him. Finally they ask him to tell his weak spot or they going to kill all his family. He open his hat and his power gone.

Now one of his daughter is Christian minister.

Remember Simpson? God give him power but if he cut his hair the power gone. The filistine know the secret and ask Delila to talk to Simpson ask the weak spot.

The devil copy God. Some time the devil give you a power but there is a weak spot
 
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Yes, God does still do miracles. The Devil has got some power in this world and he uses it to trick and mislead or deceive people. I don't think we should refer to what the Devil does as a miracle but it's more like magic and sorcery for trickery .

I started to mention the anti-Christ before, but I see that someone already did. The anti-Christ is going to call down many signs and wonders in so much that if it were possible the very elect will be deceived.

So yeah, the devil can do some things, but we need to know how to discern whether it be of God or the Devil...That's all I'm trying to say.
 
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Jackson123 said:
In the Bible, Moses turn his stick to snake, the power is from the Lord, the magician did the same.
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Where did you hear that Moses turned a stick into a snake?

Jackson123 said:
How do you know wich is from the Lord, wich is from the devil.
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Simple, as written in Heb 11:3, "...so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."
 
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Jackson123

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1ofthem said:
Yes, God does still do miracles. The Devil has got some power in this world and he uses it to trick and mislead or deceive people. I don't think we should refer to what the Devil does as a miracle but it's more like magic and sorcery for trickery .

I started to mention the anti-Christ before, but I see that someone already did. The anti-Christ is going to call down many signs and wonders in so much that if it were possible the very elect will be deceived.

So yeah, the devil can do some things, but we need to know how to discern whether it be of God or the Devil...That's all I'm trying to say.
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I listen to ex devil agent, ex shaman that convert, 2 of them are the my friend. They say the power from the devil is not free. You will sorry if you use they power.

One of my friend, before he repent, he able to read a letter in the envelope from other room.

But the devil demand a lot of sacrifice, not worthy.

You will lost you soul.

It not make you happy. It make people respect you, but not make you happy. Yes in the Bible say antichrist will use that kind of miracle, he call the fire from heaven, to impress people how powerfull he is.

In the Bible God use miracle to attract people, to make people believe in Him and save.

Devil use miracle to attract people to believe and work for him and go to hell with him

God use miracle to save people

Devil use miracle to kill people
 
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Jackson123

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Zmouth said:
1. Where did you hear that Moses turned a stick into a snake?



Simple, as written in Heb 11:3, "...so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."
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1. From the Bible.
 
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I just spent a lot of time looking at and listening to this mans....... "preaching"

i saw nothing that glorified God
no message of the gospel

much yelling and sing song talking
weird feel good self help statements

strange promises from him he says come from the Holy spirit

a bunch of random prophecy

and what looks to be a bunch of false miracles on top of the lack of genuine scripture...

to a man who spends much money on worldly things


seems like another cash grabber to me

but ill keep looking to see if i can find a drop of sound doctrine from him🤔


even typing things like his name followed by just "Jesus" or "How to be saved" or "the gospel"



his love for fancy toys and worldly things doesnt scare me as much as the fact i cant find the full gospel message in any of his videos

and ive found lack of truth and false promises in a few

like "this day God will show off with you and your blessing will take a PHYSICAL form... when you see that new car you will know it is a blessing from God.... expect a mazaratti and your promotion and your next house"


definitely lookin like a wolf
 
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