They're not ministers of God. The very Bible they defile tells everyone else that.
Gay stuff, not saying which way to judge, but hear the person before you judge
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Tell that to Jesus. Even when the most sinful of people came he always welcomed with open arms to all who would listen, he didn't banish or prevent anyone who came to him, it was because he had open arms to all who would listen that so many who lived in deep sin came to the light. The word of God and the message of the cross is for all to have freely not to be coveted for the flock only
IS THere NO LIMITS TO APOSTASY? If anyone thinks we are not in the end times still. WOW you are blind as a bat.
This is end times people. Never has the church accepted and celebrated this. EVER. Even the catholic church during the inquisition wasnt like this, and i think thats the worst period in church history.
This is end times people. Never has the church accepted and celebrated this. EVER. Even the catholic church during the inquisition wasnt like this, and i think thats the worst period in church history.
Well odds are, if they are given over to the reprobate mind that their salvation is already a slim chance. I'd rather focus time and energy on people with un-reprobate minds. Having great success with that bunch, and there is more of them.
And it is for protection. IF you have a family, you understand.
They did come to Jesus. But did Jesus bring them unrepentant to the Temple in Jerusalem? Oh yeah no. NEXT
The thing in here is that those who came to Jesus WANTED to hear the truth and to change for good. However, there are those who don't want to hear, and much less change their ways, they just like to accomodate the Scripture or plainly out ignore it in order to feel like they're doing nothing wrong.
The problems for all worldly people is that God sets the rules, not us …
Read Ezekiel 18 and understand that sin is death …
4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins, it shall die.
5 But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right, …
9 Has walked in my statutes, and has kept my judgments, to deal truly; he is just, he shall surely live, says the Lord God.
17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 4:
5 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;
whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Romans 6:
Read Ezekiel 18 and understand that sin is death …
4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins, it shall die.
5 But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right, …
9 Has walked in my statutes, and has kept my judgments, to deal truly; he is just, he shall surely live, says the Lord God.
17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 4:
5 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;
whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Romans 6:
Well said.
I think what is being said about overseers and protecting the flock in matters of policing, if you will, newcomers to the church building itself, is that which would think to openly display its fallen nature in that church.
As we know, at least most of us by now do to threads on the issue of homosexuality, there are gay pride parades that occur in America. And likely elsewhere but I've not looked that far into that part.
Those type of exhibitionists are what the flock should be protected from in the sanctuary that is God's church.
Of course a gay couple should be allowed to enter and hear the word preached. If they're there with sincere hearts they are led by the call to repentance. That would be the best default position to assume as a member of that church. They should also show respect as guests and that would mean no open displays of affection. This wouldn't be tolerated among the married, it is a matter of decorum.
The two camps that are diametrically opposed in this matter are those who think homosexuals should never be permitted through the door.
And those who think they should just not be allowed to openly display their sins once arrived.
What scripture tells us Jesus brought repentant persons into the temple in Jerusalem?
That doesn't make any sense. People that don't care about scripture don't care about church.
Of course the Catholic church wasn't accommodating of sodomy during the inquisition. They weren't accommodating to their own flock were one to be found to not be in strict obedience to what the church said.
The inquisition has no relevance to today's liberal turn in the faith of Christ itself.
The church of the inquisition was the Roman Catholic. Though the Protestant inquisition period is also a shame in itself.
But there ARE those who care about Scripture BUT don't care about church. That kind of people like to read the Bible in order to debunk it or to get into arguments with others to prove them wrong and how they themselves are right. There are many people like that nowadays.
There are those who are the contrary as well, those who care about the church BUT don't care about Scripture. Sometimes this is just to satisfy their spiritual need, to feel like they're having a spiritual life and are close to God (like buddhists and other religions' followers), but don't really care about what God has to say at all, so they don't read the Bible or ignore certain parts which may touch their conscience and stuff like that.
Then there is no way you would agree to allow one, who is a professing brother in Christ and a practicing gay, attend the assembly of believers.
I don't think that's what he meant
. I think he wanted to point out that the statement was in past tense and that there was THAT kind of people in the church as well. . .or something like that. But not an accusation of any sort.
With all do respect I don't think it's for you to decide the chance of a persons salvation, I mean lets say their chance is slim even if it's slim would you deny that person the embrace of our lords love? I don't believe anything is impossible and even if a person had little to no chance is it not love that makes it possible? Jesus did all he did for all not just some, and he would have done all he did a thousand times over for even one lost soul no matter how evil or blood stained their souls because that is how deep his love is. As for the whole family thing it seems to me it's more about you wanting protect your family rather than the whole biblical truth of the matter. And forgive me if I am wrong in that assumption but it isn't the gays that we need protection from