should Christians be racists?

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Sammy Davis Jr. was a Jew by conversion.
You just won't stop with the antichristian, racist lies. Sammy Davis Jr. was Jew, the same as any other. You lie about what a Jew is.

In addition here is part of the site you say rejected the DNA marker.

In short, all R1a-Y2619 Ashkenazi Levites are descended on their direct male lines from a single man (referred on this website at the R1a-Y2619 Ashkenazi Levite progenitor) who lived about 1,743 years ago. About 7.9% of the Ashkenazi population
You need to stop it with your ignorant, disgusting lies. Your new quotes don't add anything more to the website you already linked to which refuted your lies, lies you refuse to give up. Under 8% of German-ish Jews have a particular genetic marker. And, Jews from the rest of the world don't have that market, but many German non-Jews do. That doesn't make Jews a race. What's wrong with you?
 

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This sort of thing has been ongoing, for how long, now?


Yes, the vid is four years old, but has anything changed since then?

It has been going on since God created the Jewish nation. Nothing has changed, and will not change until Christ's return.

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But they are a particular people chosen by God. They are in contrast to the Gentiles who were not chosen. Most don't hate the Jews because God chose the Jews. They hate them because they are Jews.

So, God has a particular people He chose to be be the blessed people of the earth and the Gentiles were not.

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It takes real psychopath to think that the Palestinians should love their oppressors.

Jews are not a chosen people. Christians are God's chosen people. You should find a Antichrist fan-club forum to post your nonsense.

This verse refers to Christians:
1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light;
 

trofimus

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This sort of thing has been ongoing, for how long, now?


Yes, the vid is four years old, but has anything changed since then?

This is much more political than "racial" or "antisemitic". Until the state of Israel was forced by the U.N., Jews and Palestinians lived together quite peacefully in the land. I do not say they loved each other, but nothing like this.
 

trofimus

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Who says?

The point here is that the Jews are a specific people chosen by God. Their physical identity is just as important as their spiritual identity.
Thus we recognize them as a distinct people. Whether you want to classify them technically as a 'race' is immaterial. We treat them as a race of people. Which is not wrong.

This is why I say it is not wrong to be a racist when by racist you mean you recognize God made the races of men. Whereas in the U.S. we are supposed to ignore any such division of the races.

Quantrill
This view is not Christian. Christians are people chosen by God, both from Jews and other nations. The times of physical Israel/Jews ended with Christ. Now, the real, spiritual temple, is open for all.
 

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This view is not Christian. Christians are people chosen by God, both from Jews and other nations. The times of physical Israel/Jews ended with Christ. Now, the real, spiritual temple, is open for all.
There was never a time of "physical Jews". The Old Testament nation of Israel was always been open to converts, starting with Abraham's household.
 

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There was never a time of "physical Jews". The Old Testament nation of Israel was always been open to converts, starting with Abraham's household.
Those converts were insignificant. The Mosaic covenant of God was with Israel, so who wanted to be in this covenant, had to become a part of Israel. This covenant ended with Christ and now the covenant is with all nations, so nobody has to change his nationality to be a part of this new covenant.

Yes, Abrahamic covenant is older than the mosaic covenant and therefore is also primary as taught by Paul, but thats probably not the focus of this thread...
 

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Those converts were insignificant.
Who are you to say those converts were insignificant? Significantly, conversion (and expulsion) were possible because race was never a thing.
 

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It takes real psychopath to think that the Palestinians should love their oppressors.

Jews are not a chosen people. Christians are God's chosen people. You should find a Antichrist fan-club forum to post your nonsense.

This verse refers to Christians:
1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light;
I never said anyone had to love them. But they need to recognize that God has chosen them and will stay true to His promises concerning them.

So what? There are a lot of verses that refer to Christians in the Bible.

This verse is one of many that speak to Israel as a chosen nation. (Deut. 7:6) "For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people upon the face of the earth."

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This view is not Christian. Christians are people chosen by God, both from Jews and other nations. The times of physical Israel/Jews ended with Christ. Now, the real, spiritual temple, is open for all.
Correct in that the Church comes from both Jew and Gentile.

Concerning your statement that physical Israel ended, again, who says? Not God.

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I'd like to see people in that color. What fun. And a change from the every day colors now. I'd like to be turquoise if I had a choice.
Go to football games. Some diehard fans paint their upper body with the colors of the team they root for.
 

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Who says?

The point here is that the Jews are a specific people chosen by God. Their physical identity is just as important as their spiritual identity.
Thus we recognize them as a distinct people. Whether you want to classify them technically as a 'race' is immaterial. We treat them as a race of people. Which is not wrong.

This is why I say it is not wrong to be a racist when by racist you mean you recognize God made the races of men. Whereas in the U.S. we are supposed to ignore any such division of the races.

Quantrill
You are ignoring how the term is used in the US. It implies discrimination against a race. Blacks, Jews, Irish, and others have suffered from this discrimination in the US.
 

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There was the true worship of God long before the Jews. But God did chose the Jews to be the people where His worship would be centered, and from where His revelations would come, and from where the Messiah would come, and from where salvation and rule over the whole earth would come.

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Do you know who these early worshippers were?
 

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Correct in that the Church comes from both Jew and Gentile.

Concerning your statement that physical Israel ended, again, who says? Not God.

Quantrill
The fact that Jews as part of the Israelites descended from Israel are God's chosen people has not changed. God is quoted as chastising them but not rejecting them. Look at the result of Germany killing 6 million Jews. It was bombed into rubble in WWII. Hitler invaded Poland starting the war and the SS rounded up the Jews and sent them to death camps because they found shooting them was too inefficient.
Do you know who these early worshippers were?
ROTFL
How about Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Jacob was renamed Israel. Before him is the lineage in Genesis. The Old Testament is full of God fearing men!! Read Genesis for starters. Obviously you are ignorant of the Old Testament. It actually forms the basis for the New Testament with 315 prophecies about Jesus. It is the foundation on which the New Testament exists. Your ignorance demonstrates you have not bothered to read it. Read it and learn. The Torah is the basis for the rest of the Bible. Leviticus can be ignored to a large degree because it is what the priests (Levites) are to follow. In case you don't know the word Torah it is the Pentatauch or the first 5 books of the bible.

Ignorance seems abound here.
 

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Correct in that the Church comes from both Jew and Gentile.

Concerning your statement that physical Israel ended, again, who says? Not God.

Quantrill
The fact that Jews as part of the Israelites descended from Israel are God's chosen people has not changed. God is quoted as chastising them but not rejecting them. Look at the result of Germany killing 6 million Jews. It was bombed into rubble in WWII. Hitler invaded Poland starting the war and the SS rounded up the Jews and sent them to death camps because they found shooting them was too inefficient.
 

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The Bible tells us to love our neighbor as we love ourselves.
I stated, not every Christian loves themselves. There is nothing in that statement that contradicts the Bible.
In point of fact, that not every Christian loves themselves goes a long way to explain why those who claim Christ treat people like crap. How does someone know how to love others when they don't first know what love is by loving themselves?
You just won't stop with the antichristian, racist lies. Sammy Davis Jr. was Jew, the same as any other. You lie about what a Jew is.



You need to stop it with your ignorant, disgusting lies. Your new quotes don't add anything more to the website you already linked to which refuted your lies, lies you refuse to give up. Under 8% of German-ish Jews have a particular genetic marker. And, Jews from the rest of the world don't have that market, but many German non-Jews do. That doesn't make Jews a race. What's wrong with you?
Here is an article about Jews on Wikipedia. It discusses what a Jew is. There is the biological and conversion discussed. You need to stop calling people liars in this Christian site. The following proves my point and makes your assertions in error. You made assertions in ignorance. Should I then call you a liar?

The following is an excerpt from the following site about Jews
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews

Who is a Jew? and Jewish identity
Judaism shares some of the characteristics of a nation, an ethnicity, a religion, and a culture, making the definition of who is a Jew vary slightly depending on whether a religious or national approach to identity is used. Generally, in modern secular usage Jews include three groups: people who were born to a Jewish family regardless of whether or not they follow the religion, those who have some Jewish ancestral background or lineage (sometimes including those who do not have strictly matrilineal descent), and people without any Jewish ancestral background or lineage who have formally converted to Judaism and therefore are followers of the religion.

Historical definitions of Jewish identity have traditionally been based on halakhic definitions of matrilineal descent, and halakhic conversions. These definitions of who is a Jew date back to the codification of the Oral Torah into the Babylonian Talmud, around 200 CE. Interpretations of sections of the Tanakh, such as Deuteronomy 7:1–5, by Jewish sages, are used as a warning against intermarriage between Jews and Canaanites because "[the non-Jewish husband] will cause your child to turn away from Me and they will worship the gods (i.e., idols) of others." Leviticus 24:10 says that the son in a marriage between a Hebrew woman and an Egyptian man is "of the community of Israel." This is complemented by Ezra 10:2–3, where Israelites returning from Babylon vow to put aside their gentile wives and their children. A popular theory is that the rape of Jewish women in captivity brought about the law of Jewish identity being inherited through the maternal line, although scholars challenge this theory citing the Talmudic establishment of the law from the pre-exile period. Another argument is that the rabbis changed the law of patrilineal descent to matrilineal descent due to the widespread rape of Jewish women by Roman soldiers. Since the anti-religious Haskalah movement of the late 18th and 19th centuries, halakhic interpretations of Jewish identity have been challenged.

According to historian Shaye J. D. Cohen, the status of the offspring of mixed marriages was determined patrilineally in the Bible. He brings two likely explanations for the change in Mishnaic times: first, the Mishnah may have been applying the same logic to mixed marriages as it had applied to other mixtures (Kil'ayim). Thus, a mixed marriage is forbidden as is the union of a horse and a donkey, and in both unions the offspring are judged matrilineally. Second, the Tannaim may have been influenced by Roman law, which dictated that when a parent could not contract a legal marriage, offspring would follow the mother. Rabbi Rivon Krygier follows a similar reasoning, arguing that Jewish descent had formerly passed through the patrineal descent and the law of matrilineal descent had its roots in the Roman legal system.
 

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Sammy Davis Jr. Was a black entertainer therefore not a Jew by birth. He was a Jew by conversion. I loved to watch him on TV.
 

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Who is a Jew? and Jewish identity
Judaism shares some of the characteristics of a nation, an ethnicity, a religion, and a culture, making the definition of who is a Jew vary slightly depending on whether a religious or national approach to identity is used. Generally, in modern secular usage Jews include three groups: people who were born to a Jewish family regardless of whether or not they follow the religion, those who have some Jewish ancestral background or lineage (sometimes including those who do not have strictly matrilineal descent), and people without any Jewish ancestral background or lineage who have formally converted to Judaism and therefore are followers of the religion.
You're obsessed with being ignorant, racist, and Anti-christian. It's completely pathetic. It's not the belief of anyone belonging to Christ. We've been through this several times, with every article you post yourself refutes you. And, you can't learn. In what you quoted, do you see anything there that says a Jew has certain DNA? That a Jew is the ancestor of Jacob? No. It's not the belief of any Christian

There are two undisputed facts (undisputed among all Jews, even if "Christian" Zionists disagree) left out of the above definition of Jew. I know your brain can't understand what "undisputed means", but I'll point it out anyway:

1) While conversion requires following the Jewish religion, after conversion, or anyone born to recent Jewish ancestors, following Judaism is not required, except that conversion to Christianity is forbidden. When someone accepts Christ, they are no longer a Jew. A Jew can be an Atheist, and most are. But, a Jew can't be a Christian.

2) Whether one is a Jew because of conversion, because a Jewish mother, or recent Jewish ancestors, all Jews are equally and 100% Jews. A German Jew with Smithstein family DNA (No one has Levi's DNA) is no more a Jew than Sammy Davis Jr. was.
 

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You're obsessed with being ignorant, racist, and Anti-christian. It's completely pathetic. It's not the belief of anyone belonging to Christ. We've been through this several times, with every article you post yourself refutes you. And, you can't learn. In what you quoted, do you see anything there that says a Jew has certain DNA? That a Jew is the ancestor of Jacob? No. It's not the belief of any Christian

There are two undisputed facts (undisputed among all Jews, even if "Christian" Zionists disagree) left out of the above definition of Jew. I know your brain can't understand what "undisputed means", but I'll point it out anyway:

1) While conversion requires following the Jewish religion, after conversion, or anyone born to recent Jewish ancestors, following Judaism is not required, except that conversion to Christianity is forbidden. When someone accepts Christ, they are no longer a Jew. A Jew can be an Atheist, and most are. But, a Jew can't be a Christian.

2) Whether one is a Jew because of conversion, because a Jewish mother, or recent Jewish ancestors, all Jews are equally and 100% Jews. A German Jew with Smithstein family DNA (No one has Levi's DNA) is no more a Jew than Sammy Davis Jr. was.
You mistate what I said. Here is some Biblical history.

Jacob was renamed Israel. He had 13 sons. Each except for Levi was a seperate tribe. The Levites were the priests and were as such scattered through the seperate tribes. At one point Israel was divided in two with a civil war. The northern tribes kept the name Israel and the southern tribes were called Judah from which the name Jew comes from. It consisted of Judah, Bengamin, and a portion of the Levites.
 

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5 minute rule stuck again.

A Jew can be a Jew by birth coming from the southern country of Judah. It consists of the tribe of Judah, Bengamin, and the portion of Levites assigned to them.

A person can become a Jew by conversion to Judaism. Sammy Davis Jr. converted to Judaism thus became a Jew by conversion.