="posthuman, post: 3747513, member: 170505"]well you are quite wrong about the Lord God of all Creation being grafted into anything. all the saints here agree that you have a very wrong private interpretation of Romans 11:16 here.
Yes, "many" on this form who come in Christ's name, teach differently than the Christ, that is why I post in the first place. I believe the Word of God came in the Flesh, I can see that most people really don't believe this.
you oft boast that you take "
every word" into account?
take Christ's own declaration then:
I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.
(Revelation 22:16)
I think it is wrong to take one verse and "omit" so many others to promote religious traditions.
Rev. 22:
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal,
proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
8 And I John saw these things, and heard
them. And when I had heard and seen,
I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
9 Then saith he unto me, See
thou do it not:
for I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren the prophets,
and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
Kind of like Jesus, the Man, said. (Matt. 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Keep the sayings in this Book)
Rev. 22:
12 And, behold, I come quickly;
and my reward is with me, (What? Reward? but you preach we don't "Earn" Salvation, and that we already have it.)
to give every man according as his work shall be. (What? "Not by Works" is what you "Saints" preach, how can this be? What Christ is this?)
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments,
that they may have right to the tree of life, (Woops, another blow to the "Not by Works" saints) and may enter in through the gates into the city.
So will you and Decon call this Lord a legalist, a "worker for Salvation", a Pharisee teaching we must actually "DO" something to receive GRace?
15 For without
are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and
whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
You mean like "the Pharisees were trying to "EARN" Salvation by obeying God" could this be an example of one who loves and maketh a lie?
16 I Jesus (The Risen Christ) have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things
in the churches.
I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Yes, the Root is the Word of God which was made Flesh, But as a man He didn't create the Root, He Lived by it. Had He not, He would have died and stayed dead.
John 7:
16 Jesus answered them, and said,
My doctrine is not mine, (as a man)
but his that sent me.
17 If any man will do his will,
he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God,
or whether I speak of myself.
Your understanding of this one verse does not destroy every other word of the Christ.
if you start with untruth, what you develop from it is also untrue.
it looks to me that, others have corrected your misstatement, and you have hated it, and in your vanity you're trying to twist other scripture into agreeing with what was wrong in the first place.
I understand what you mean. Like the preaching that the Pharisees were trying to "earn" Salvation by obeying God. With this falsehood as their foundation, everything they preach is corrupted. But Jesus was pretty adamant that He was following His fathers direction not His own. So the Preaching that as a man, He created His own foundation, Root, isn't true. He had to "Learn" obedience just like every human does.
look,
Paul, speaking to Gentiles who have believed, says they are as wild olive branches grafted into the natural olive tree. the natural tree is the children of Israel after the flesh. God was born in the flesh, a Jew. which makes the man Jesus a '
natural branch' in the language of the scriptural metaphor. was Christ broken off so that He might be grafted in again?
see, you're out at sea here
Once again you "omit" so much of God's Word. Was Abraham broken off? Was Sampson, Rehab, Zechariahs? Were there not 7,000 that had bowed their knee to Baal? Why do you reject them?
"wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;"
In your religion, is this "THEM" those who were broken off? Or those example of Faith which were still "Grafted in"?
It would be so different, if you would just once answer a question posed of you. But I can understand why you refuse.
"Was Christ broken off"? Really? Did you really just say this?
Romans 11:
1 I say then,
Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham,
of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men,
who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. (Who were not "cut off" for unbelief")
Rom. 3:
1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit
is there of circumcision?
2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
3 For what if some did not believe?
shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Where do you get your preaching that the Holy Branches are "Natural Branches"? This too is a deception that I'm sure you will continue to protect. The Wild olive tree is the natural one. "The Olive" tree is watered, pruned and brings forth fruit. A wild olive tree has no use unless it is also watered and pruned just as the "Olive Tree".
So Post, will you just blow all these things off and move to the next and the next and the next, or can we have a discussion about these things first.
