“About The Great Tribulation”
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The context is that THIS generation means the generation which SEES all these things.
The entire world didnt see the events in 70AD. There was no technology for that.
How could the disciples SEE the abomination of desolation, it would be too late to flee at that point. Technology is needed.
Good morning Hevosmiles,,,
You liked post #272(thank you) but based on what you said in this post we aren't actually meaning the same things. The apostolic fathers(contemporaries of the apostles) and those who were after(up to 3rd-4th) in succession believed more closely to what is known as "millennial day theory"(modern term),, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennial_Day_Theory
I'll give you a link(because it gives the quotes from some of their letters) but I am not affiliated with the link.... http://www.creationism.org/english/EarlyChurchLit6Days_en.htm (it's the first site I found that had their quotes when I googled,lol)
In a brief description they believed the seven days in Genesis 1:1-2:4 were an account of creation AND A PROPHECY OF CREATION FROM BEGINNING TO END. So to them the creation is in 7 ages/generations of 1000 years. So which is why they point out that Adam was told "in the day you eat...you shall surly die",(Adam died when 930 years old in the first day/thousand years of the prophecy) ect.
So by the time Jesus came what day it was was confusing them Luke 19:44, Luke 12:56,Matthew 16:3 ect. (it was no longer given(see sons of Issachar) so if correct then in Matthew 24:3 when they ask "end of age" they were asking when the day/generation/age was to end and the next to begin. They were confused why Jesus said the temple would be destroyed because they thought was suppose to rule as king in it and all the other nations would be subject to Him and the world would be ruled from Jerusalem in the age to come but he just said it would be destroyed(hence,sign of thy coming=first coming not second). So by Luke 24:21 "WE TRUSTED" they had thought he was the Messiah but they saw him die and so didn't think so any more(look at the apostles reactions after his death in all four Gospels). lol,,,,long post I'll stop here.
I never "subscribed"' to that 7 days/ & thousand years idea Bro Soandso.
The Jews in the days of Jesus only considered two ages, the age of the law/Moses and the age of Messiah. So when the disciples asked about the end of the age they were asking about the end of the Mosaic age and or old covenant because they knew from the propheices that the new age would be associated with the new covenant.
The Jews in the days of Jesus only considered two ages, the age of the law/Moses and the age of Messiah. So when the disciples asked about the end of the age they were asking about the end of the Mosaic age and or old covenant because they knew from the propheices that the new age would be associated with the new covenant.
By 400ad or so most of the millennial thinking was declared heretic by the RCC but it sure makes you wonder why the apostles would put those apostolic fathers in charge of the Churches if they considered their thinking incorrect. Seems as though the RCC trumped both the Apostles and the Holy Spirits idea of who was correct.
On the other part Jesus said in John 16:12-14 that they would not be able to bare this until after they received the comforter so they saw things one way before that took place and began to see things different after they did. So if the scriptures point out that they were not able to understand it until then they in Matthew 24:3 could not have been seeing what you think.
what does all this mean? Care to translate it from english to dummy?
lol, my friend I watched what one camp said and what the others argued against until I was pulling my hair out trying to figure out which one was right. After just so much of the who is Babylon,whose the beast,ect. I thought I would see what the men in ad100 who knew the apostles thought about it all. You should bare in mind that Peter,Paul John ect. are who set Justin,Polycarp,,Papias,I gnatious ect. over those Churches(approved by Apostles)... Now after about 365ad every thing changed and the big heretic book burning took place via the RCC...
I've never put much stock in the diastolic fathers Bro So - me heart just wasn't in it.
lol, my friend everything I have said to you and our brother Hevosmies is based on my response to your post in #271(you forgot them and others)...
I suppose as there are threads in this site(CC) and others on the www we could describe ourselves as christian writers of the computer age and before us were others who expressed their thoughts by books and pamphlets. In the same their are the Christian writers from the 1800's,1700's,1600's ect.
If in the same we extend that method of thinking farther back in time we could view the "Chat room forums"(so to speak,lol) of the 1500's 1400's and go even further back still and view the thread forums(same thing,different technology),but the same none the less of their ideas.
At some point looking back this might become frightful in that we might view some of the writers post as quite far from the ideas of our Lord Jesus and the Apostles. Then after that we might look at even our own ages post and realize that we even may have erred the same and become even more frightened.
The Apostolic fathers letters are no different except the thread title and that they were by far closer in time to the Apostles than we are. Because they were though they are spoken of and can say something we cannot. That is Polycarpus is known to have been appointed bishop of the Church at Smyrna by the Apostle John and Ireaneus learning from him(I cant say that of us,lol).
There are other writers who posted threads who were contemporaries of the Apostles who posted also but enough for now.
^ I'm inclined to agree with the idea that the seventh day [the seventh millennium] is "the Last Day" (and as with all prophetic "days," it starts with "DARKNESS" [1Th5:2-3]). [see also Hosea 5:15-6:3 "in the third day," as well as John 2:1 "And the third day there was a wedding [celebration/feast] in Cana" (vv.2,8,9); see also Ex31:13,17 "it [the seventh day/sabbath] is a SIGN between Me and the children of Israel for ever"; and Heb4:9 "There remaineth therefore a sabbatismos to the people of God"]
[by the way, I am pre-trib
]
Here's what I understand "the Day of the Lord" [time period] to entail (ALL THREE portions of the following):
1) the 70th-Wk/7-yr tribulation period upon the earth (the "IN THE NIGHT/"DARK" portion [incl "the man of sin" IN HIS TIME])
2) Christ's Second Coming to the earth (the "SUN of righteousness ARISE" portion)
3) His 1000-yr reign on/over the earth (the "reign... GLORIOUSLY" portion)
[the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR; 1Th5:2-3]" kicks off #1]
The following article covers the idea of "the millennial sabbath" theory, with which I tend to agree:
"The Jewish Calendar: What Year Is It, and Does It Really Matter?" by Dr David R Reagan
http://christinprophecy.org/articles/the-jewish-calendar/
[by the way, I am pre-trib
]Here's what I understand "the Day of the Lord" [time period] to entail (ALL THREE portions of the following):
1) the 70th-Wk/7-yr tribulation period upon the earth (the "IN THE NIGHT/"DARK" portion [incl "the man of sin" IN HIS TIME])
2) Christ's Second Coming to the earth (the "SUN of righteousness ARISE" portion)
3) His 1000-yr reign on/over the earth (the "reign... GLORIOUSLY" portion)
[the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR; 1Th5:2-3]" kicks off #1]
The following article covers the idea of "the millennial sabbath" theory, with which I tend to agree:
"The Jewish Calendar: What Year Is It, and Does It Really Matter?" by Dr David R Reagan
http://christinprophecy.org/articles/the-jewish-calendar/
Really what tribe are you from? Specifically the 12 mentioned in rev where God picked 12 thousand from each one.( 114K being JEWS BY GENEOLOGY).
It's as if it were written that way in anticipation someone would attempt to alagorize it away.
You have no case at all with that.