Are You Believing a Heresy? You Might According to a New Study

[eternally-gratefull]

not everyone is going to understand eveery biblical teaching the exact same way. Jesus said ask seek and knock, thats what i believe and i dont worry myself silly over theology.

The bible says if we seek, God will help us understand.
If someone does not understand, then God did not fail. The person did not believe.

Jesus said he is the way the truth and the life. NO ONE comes except through him

Paul said whever teaches a different gospel is to be dammed.

I would worry about theology concerning the gospel. Because if we change thge gospel in any way, we are lost.

It does not matter what we believe in many gospel.. I do not think we all will understand everything, But the gospel is not anything, it is the most important doctrine offered to mankind, get this wrong. Your out. Period

 

[jaybird88]

The penalty of sin is death.

All son leads to death. Adam ate a peace of fruit, and look what the result was.

look at the 10 commandments, they are all sins but the command not to follow other gods has its own extended judgment that goes with that one sin. the 8 detestable sins are all on their own.
sin leads to more sin but sin can be forgiven, however so many sins, or some very bad sins can lead one past the point of no return much faster.

If you think there are some sins which do not condemn us, I fear for your eternal soul my friend.

How can you repent and come to Christ if you do not think you need saved?

???

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The penalty of sin is death (it does not matter what that sin is)

The gift of God is eternal life

As paul said, ALL HAVE SINNED and fall short. No one gets away standing on their own effort. No one.

 

[jaybird88]

The penalty of sin is death (it does not matter what that sin is)

The gift of God is eternal life

As paul said, ALL HAVE SINNED and fall short. No one gets away standing on their own effort. No one.

so one guy disobeyed his parents when he was a kid. another man guns down and murders a playground full of little children. one sin is no different than the other, one sin is not going to effect the sinner any different than the other. sorry but i do not agree. the guy that killed all the kids is going to have some serious damage to his mind and will be lucky to come back to the Lord.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

so one guy disobeyed his parents when he was a kid. another man guns down and murders a playground full of little children. one sin is no different than the other, one sin is not going to effect the sinner any different than the other. sorry but i do not agree. the guy that killed all the kids is going to have some serious damage to his mind and will be lucky to come back to the Lord.

Your looking at it from Human viewpoint, not from Gods.

In Gods eyes both deserve death

Yes, as far as affecting human culture and society and even a persons life. Sins are different.

But when it comes to being Adam and eve, perfect in all things, Right with God, to having a barrier placed between them and God, and being spiritually dead, All it took was eating a forbidden fruit.

God demands perfection. (the law was given to prove this0 If you can not understand that, how You can understand God?

 

[Crustyone]

look at the 10 commandments, they are all sins but the command not to follow other gods has its own extended judgment that goes with that one sin. the 8 detestable sins are all on their own.
sin leads to more sin but sin can be forgiven, however so many sins, or some very bad sins can lead one past the point of no return much faster.


???

There are seven sins that God detests. Proverbs 6:16-19.

 

[Lillywolf]

look at the 10 commandments, they are all sins but the command not to follow other gods has its own extended judgment that goes with that one sin. the 8 detestable sins are all on their own.
sin leads to more sin but sin can be forgiven, however so many sins, or some very bad sins can lead one past the point of no return much faster.


???

I would correct that the 10 Commandments, found in Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5, are not a list of sins. They are considered the ten beneficial laws.
Proverbs 6:16 tells us there are 6 things the Lord hates, 7 that are detestable to him.

Proverbs 6
16There are six things the Lord hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
17haughty eyes,a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
18a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
19a false witness who pours out lies
and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.

Also, no, the Bible does not say all sins are equal. Just the opposite in fact. If all sins were equal and given the abundance of that behavior which qualifies as transgression against God's will, Proverbs 6 would not identify six things , sins, the Lord hates and seven that are detestable. Thereby qualifying 7 out of the many others for his scorn in particular.
Also Exodus 32:30 tells of the great sin the Israelite people committed creating the golden calf. An idol. While Ezekiel 23 added with the transgression in Exodus show us that some sins afford greater guilt and more harm than others.

 

[jaybird88]

I would correct that the 10 Commandments, found in Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5, are not a list of sins. They are considered the ten beneficial laws.
Proverbs 6:16 tells us there are 6 things the Lord hates, 7 that are detestable to him.

Proverbs 6
16There are six things the Lord hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
17haughty eyes,a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
18a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
19a false witness who pours out lies
and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.

Also, no, the Bible does not say all sins are equal. Just the opposite in fact. If all sins were equal and given the abundance of that behavior which qualifies as transgression against God's will, Proverbs 6 would not identify six things , sins, the Lord hates and seven that are detestable. Thereby qualifying 7 out of the many others for his scorn in particular.
Also Exodus 32:30 tells of the great sin the Israelite people committed creating the golden calf. An idol. While Ezekiel 23 added with the transgression in Exodus show us that some sins afford greater guilt and more harm than others.

the point with the commandments was the command not to worship other gods and that particulate command having its own judgment separated from the others.

i was thinking 7+1, i meant 6+1 on the proverbs sins. guess i should have looked before i posted.

i was the one saying not all sins are equal.

 

[Lillywolf]

the point with the commandments was the command not to worship other gods and that particulate command having its own judgment separated from the others.

i was thinking 7+1, i meant 6+1 on the proverbs sins. guess i should have looked before i posted.

i was the one saying not all sins are equal.

I added the sins equality part to round up that issue. I didn't mean to impart it was directed solely at you. It was my error. I should have considered it would be seen as addressed to you since I did quote your post prior to posting that and the rest.

 

[jaybird88]

I added the sins equality part to round up that issue. I didn't mean to impart it was directed solely at you. It was my error. I should have considered it would be seen as addressed to you since I did quote your post prior to posting that and the rest.

how do sins not equal affect someone? what about a believer vs non believer?

 

[Lillywolf]

how do sins not equal affect someone? what about a believer vs non believer?

How do sins not equally affect someone?
Because the individual has a unique consciousness and conscience. For those who do possess the conscience center. There are those born without that area of the brain active.

 

[jaybird88]

How do sins not equally affect someone?
Because the individual has a unique consciousness and conscience. For those who do possess the conscience center. There are those born without that area of the brain active.

i would think believers are tested harder than non believers.

 

[Kojikun]

10/17/2018 " How well do Christians really understand biblical doctrine about their faith?
Ligonier Ministries released its third study on the State of Theology in the United States conducted by LifeWay Research.
They asked 3,000 Americans what they believe about "God, salvation, ethics, and the Bible" and discovered several alarming heresies that some Christians say they believe.
"One of the most striking findings is that Americans continue to fail to grasp that God is holy," Ligonier said in a statement.
A whopping 69 percent of Americans disagree with the idea that "Even the smallest sin deserves eternal damnation," a doctrine clearly outlined in the Bible.
It turns out that evangelical Christians also have a hard time believing what the Bible says about man's sinful nature. This is demonstrated by the fact that 52 percent of evangelicals agree that everyone sins a little, "but most people are good by nature." "
http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2018...g-a-heresy-you-might-according-to-a-new-study

30 thousand member congregations at so called mega-churches that never hear the speaker at the pulpit talk about sin and repentance I think leads to this false understanding. Very troubling times but it is all part of God's plan. And it will arrive at a glorious conclusion in his due time. That's the one thing that makes the things happening in this world bearable I think. That and not watching the worldly news but reading Christian news sites instead.
Though from time to time happening on One America News isn't a bad thing. The one true unbiased news site broadcast in America. Thank God.

Well I was a little concerned going into it but thankfully I believe none of these nonsensical heresies. Of course I believed all of them at one point in my life and I just recently denounced one the last one I held the one about going to church since God has revealed to me how much I need it in my life

 

[Lillywolf]

i would think believers are tested harder than non believers.

I think all of life is a test. Prior to coming into the faith and after such. I would think believers and non-believers are tested by both God and the Devil and for different reasons. Is one community tested more stringently than the other? Perhaps.

Paul's Epistle in Ephesians 5:6 says, Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
God tests the unbeliever because they will face the judgment. And each of us as we know are rewarded or punished for our deeds. Romans 2.

 

[Lillywolf]

Well I was a little concerned going into it but thankfully I believe none of these nonsensical heresies. Of course I believed all of them at one point in my life and I just recently denounced one the last one I held the one about going to church since God has revealed to me how much I need it in my life

Heresy is a strong word today, as it was in history because the accusation could get you killed. However, at one time it was considered Heresy to not believe in the authority of the Catholic church. It was Heresy to support and defend the Solas the Council of Trent decreed Anathema.
How many of us today would have faced death generations ago if we held the Protestant faith?
Heresy: opinion or doctrine at variance with the orthodox or accepted doctrine, especially of a church or religious system.

 

[Kojikun]

Heresy is a strong word today, as it was in history because the accusation could get you killed. However, at one time it was considered Heresy to not believe in the authority of the Catholic church. It was Heresy to support and defend the Solas the Council of Trent decreed Anathema.
How many of us today would have faced death generations ago if we held the Protestant faith?
Heresy: opinion or doctrine at variance with the orthodox or accepted doctrine, especially of a church or religious system.

I agree....for now :/ Im a little unstable in my faith as of late and I need to get to a church and possibly start discipleship or something. Doublemindedness as they say :/

 

[Lillywolf]

I agree....for now :/ Im a little unstable in my faith as of late and I need to get to a church and possibly start discipleship or something. Doublemindedness as they say :/

Don't be afraid. It isn't unusual to be where you are. Maybe, as has been discussed in this thread already, you're being tested by God.
Do you pray? Meditate? Jesus did both, just to head off any rebuttal that meditation is not of God.

Maybe have a meeting with a pastor if there's a church in your area that draws you to it. Or maybe just fast for say a weekend, pray, meditate, go for long walks or swims or something where it is just you and something that distracts you so as to focus on yourself since you are a temple of God that carries his holy spirit. Just you and God , and not the world or the Internet.
Ask for guidance from the spirit.
I was where you are in my own unique way, just as yours is unique. Then I found if I released my tendency to want things to go as I expected I would see that those things that went that other way actually helped me. I just let go and let God show me the meaning of his messages as he sought to council me. When I did that I realized it was easy then to see his wisdom is always many steps ahead of my own that thinks something going wrong is aggravating. When in his way of teaching, it was precisely what needed to happen so that something that made more sense had room to move in.

God bless your steps.

 

[Kojikun]

Don't be afraid. It isn't unusual to be where you are. Maybe, as has been discussed in this thread already, you're being tested by God.
Do you pray? Meditate? Jesus did both, just to head off any rebuttal that meditation is not of God.

Maybe have a meeting with a pastor if there's a church in your area that draws you to it. Or maybe just fast for say a weekend, pray, meditate, go for long walks or swims or something where it is just you and something that distracts you so as to focus on yourself since you are a temple of God that carries his holy spirit. Just you and God , and not the world or the Internet.
Ask for guidance from the spirit.
I was where you are in my own unique way, just as yours is unique. Then I found if I released my tendency to want things to go as I expected I would see that those things that went that other way actually helped me. I just let go and let God show me the meaning of his messages as he sought to council me. When I did that I realized it was easy then to see his wisdom is always many steps ahead of my own that thinks something going wrong is aggravating. When in his way of teaching, it was precisely what needed to happen so that something that made more sense had room to move in.

God bless your steps.

Thank you I do pray and don't worry I do know meditation is not secluded to eastern mysticism and Jesus did in fact do it lol thank you I do get bits and pieces of his grace which is why im still holding on I am looking at a church and I will be going to a service tomorrow. Its been about two years since I was saved and its been a bit tough as one would expect but perhaps a little more I have Asperger's (Autism) and it comes with flurry of severe mental health issues that only add to it. I will be seeing a psychiatrist soon again. I do believe God gave me a way out a few weeks ago I believe he wants me to witness to my friend who revealed to me she was Buddhist. I am at my best also simultaneously my worst when Im with her lol but I believe he called us to work together to get through both our issues

 

[Lillywolf]

Thank you I do pray and don't worry I do know meditation is not secluded to eastern mysticism and Jesus did in fact do it lol thank you I do get bits and pieces of his grace which is why im still holding on I am looking at a church and I will be going to a service tomorrow. Its been about two years since I was saved and its been a bit tough as one would expect but perhaps a little more I have Asperger's (Autism) and it comes with flurry of severe mental health issues that only add to it. I will be seeing a psychiatrist soon again. I do believe God gave me a way out a few weeks ago I believe he wants me to witness to my friend who revealed to me she was Buddhist. I am at my best also simultaneously my worst when Im with her lol but I believe he called us to work together to get through both our issues

That's a really positive outlook. I think you'll do fine because you're already picking up on how God talks to us.
It gets easier to recognize what you called his bits and pieces of grace. I've found when I see that if I look close I can see how it relates to something in the past and that lets me see how it got me to where I am in the moment.

Journaling is a great way to find your way too. I find when I write and I lose my self in that , that God communicates things into my writing that just flow on the page. Its wonderful to just relax and spend quality time with Abba.

 

[Kojikun]

That's a really positive outlook. I think you'll do fine because you're already picking up on how God talks to us.
It gets easier to recognize what you called his bits and pieces of grace. I've found when I see that if I look close I can see how it relates to something in the past and that lets me see how it got me to where I am in the moment.

Journaling is a great way to find your way too. I find when I write and I lose my self in that , that God communicates things into my writing that just flow on the page. Its wonderful to just relax and spend quality time with Abba.

Thank you! God bless I will try that!