Not Eating Pork (Biblical Reason?)

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Deade said:
Actually the only thing to worry about with pork is a roundworm that burrows into one's muscles and can remain there indefinitely. Here is a Wikipedia article: Trichinosis
We don't know any long term problems, but God might.
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Yes, that's one of the reasons we're told to cook pork thoroughly.
The video is grotesque and misleading. If there are worms in pork, or beef for that matter, the raw meat, it is because the animal wasn't healthy and the meat after slaughter was not treated properly. I have a feeling the first segment of the video was excerpted from some infool-mercial seeking to sell a parasite cleanse and judging from the way it ended.
 
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BenFTW said:
Why couldn't the Israelites eat pork, was it due to how it was raised, worship related, to be different from the surrounding people and religions, or what? Was it strictly for dietary reasons that God said not to eat them (because they are bad for health)?

Is pork today the same as it was then? Or is it healthier now, depending upon feed? Or is it as terrible as some people suggest, saying it is "not fit for consumption"?
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The prohibition was eating meat of any animal with a cloven hoof. Pigs have 2 main toes with the hoof seperatly on each toe. Scientifically pigs get an embryo of a bug embedded that when the meat is eaten invade the body that ate the meat. Only with the advent of modern medicine was this found. Therefore the recommendation that any pork be well cooked. Rare pork is an invitation to get this problem. There were some wealthy Jews who were stricken with this. It was found that the kitchen women got the pork under their fingernails at home and didn't wash their hands very well. It contaminated the salad they made.
 
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The prohibition was eating meat of any animal with a cloven hoof. Pigs have 2 main toes with the hoof seperatly on each toe. Scientifically pigs get an embryo of a bug embedded that when the meat is eaten invade the body that ate the meat. Only with the advent of modern medicine was this found. Therefore the recommendation that any pork be well cooked. Rare pork is an invitation to get this problem. There were some wealthy Jews who were stricken with this. It was found that the kitchen women got the pork under their fingernails at home and didn't wash their hands very well. It contaminated the salad they made.
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people hear unclean and assume wow it must be cause of disease. Name a clean animal and I show you the diseases they can get.
 
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Cows don't just chew cud, they eat chickens
 
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Every woman on the earth is disease infested during their monthly cycle, unclean.
 
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Deade said:
The thing about religion: If anyone is doing things differently, they are implying others are wrong by inference. It is the nature of the beast.
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if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean.
(Romans 14:14) ​

there's a certain amount of relativism for the free -

But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.
(1 Corinthians 8:8) ​
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this is in re: food sacrificed to idols, specifically, and prefacing the remark he states that not everyone has the knowledge that there is one God through whom all things came -- and their consciences are stained, being not far removed from idolatry. i'm not trying to take this out of its context and apply it whole-cloth to dietary law, but it appears to me to establish a ruling principle in this matter, in fact the very same one expounded throughout Romans ch. 14

we don't have to imply judgement and condemnation on everyone who disagrees with us about things. that is the human way of thinking, and in certain matters it really is crucial to be on the same page - we don't have fellowship for people who hate Christ, obviously - but there are many things which truly are inconsequential and many things which are a matter of growing in knowledge of God, such that for one person a drop of liquor is sin, and another can take it thankfully & enjoy it as a gift, without hedonism.
 
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Kosher lamb chops anyone.
 
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hornetguy said:
Actually, it is true that pigs do not sweat. However, according to scientists, pigs get rid of toxins from their bodies the same way humans do... through the liver and kidneys. Raised outside, in a natural environment, pigs will not "wallow" in their own feces and urine. They are actually pretty fastidiously clean animals.

There is a slight chance of getting trichinosis from eating raw or undercooked pork, but there is the chance of getting salmonella or e coli from undercooked eggs, chicken, beef, etc...

Studies have shown that pigs raised outside, naturally, without hormones, etc, actually produce very healthful meat and fat.
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They are clean if given the room to live and eat and sleep in a large enough space to accommodate them.
They're also smart.
 
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posthuman said:
if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean.​
(Romans 14:14) ​

there's a certain amount of relativism for the free -

But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do. ​
(1 Corinthians 8:8) ​
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this is in re: food sacrificed to idols, specifically, and prefacing the remark he states that not everyone has the knowledge that there is one God through whom all things came -- and their consciences are stained, being not far removed from idolatry. i'm not trying to take this out of its context and apply it whole-cloth to dietary law, but it appears to me to establish a ruling principle in this matter, in fact the very same one expounded throughout Romans ch. 14

we don't have to imply judgement and condemnation on everyone who disagrees with us about things. that is the human way of thinking, and in certain matters it really is crucial to be on the same page - we don't have fellowship for people who hate Christ, obviously - but there are many things which truly are inconsequential and many things which are a matter of growing in knowledge of God, such that for one person a drop of liquor is sin, and another can take it thankfully & enjoy it as a gift, without hedonism.
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I agree with you posthuman. I do what I do because I think is pleases my Lord. I have worked with missionaries that believed quite different than me. But we had more in common than we did with the worldly people. People that get huffy with you because you believe differently are judging on minutiae.

We should have a certain understanding on what evil is and not worry about the little things others do for God. Sure, we have to monitor our ranks to keep evil out and we should stop there. What someone eats is not evil. We have guidelines on judging evil, let's stick to those and fellowship on what we have in common. :cool:
 
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Deade said:
I agree with you posthuman. I do what I do because I think is pleases my Lord. I have worked with missionaries that believed quite different than me. But we had more in common than we did with the worldly people. People that get huffy with you because you believe differently are judging on minutiae.

We should have a certain understanding on what evil is and not worry about the little things others do for God. Sure, we have to monitor our ranks to keep evil out and we should stop there. What someone eats is not evil. We have guidelines on judging evil, let's stick to those and fellowship on what we have in common. :cool:
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i see now how disagreeing with your position about Peter's vision was like bickering over food, and i'm sorry you thought i was accusing you of things. really, i told myself, Deade's nuts he just doesn't get it why doesn't he get it, not cursed be Deade, rawr
the thing i was trying to say, is that that position is one that i see as inconsistent with an holy fear of God. it's not something to divide a church over, but it's something i've given not a small amount of thought to. it's not consistent with Romans 14:3 and Colossians 2:16, where we are instructed neither to judge one another nor to allow ourselves to be judged over meat and drink, and it wouldn't be consistent with this either for me to judge you over it. :(
what we have in common, though, is the reason i've been vehement about the point: which is believing God, and believing that God is holy, and true - and may we both always be zealous for Him to be honored :)

Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. ​
(Romans 14:6)​
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i just don't think that i can hold that position about Peter's dream because i see that it dishonors Him. and i wanted to share that, to communicate it to you, is all.
 
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I can't believe some of these posts....no one is suppose to eat flesh from a sick animal. Just as eating a spoiled tomato...will kill you.
 
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preston39 said:
I can't believe some of these posts....no one is suppose to eat flesh from a sick animal. Just as eating a spoiled tomato...will kill you.
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If not death could get drunk off the spoiled tomato. lol
 
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Lillywolf said:
Yes, that's one of the reasons we're told to cook pork thoroughly.
The video is grotesque and misleading. If there are worms in pork, or beef for that matter, the raw meat, it is because the animal wasn't healthy and the meat after slaughter was not treated properly. I have a feeling the first segment of the video was excerpted from some infool-mercial seeking to sell a parasite cleanse and judging from the way it ended.
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Pigs get worms because of their diet.

https://www.quora.com/Why-does-a-pig-eat-shit-Are-there-any-biological-reasons
 
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BenFTW said:
Why couldn't the Israelites eat pork, was it due to how it was raised, worship related, to be different from the surrounding people and religions, or what? Was it strictly for dietary reasons that God said not to eat them (because they are bad for health)?

Is pork today the same as it was then? Or is it healthier now, depending upon feed? Or is it as terrible as some people suggest, saying it is "not fit for consumption"?
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Pork is just as unhealthy as it was back then. Under Moses they had to obey God's laws physically, so they couldn't eat anything that was unclean/unhealthy. What is the spiritual equivalent to that for us today? We are to feed on the Word that God gave us, not on man-made writings and regulations. "They worship Me in vain, their doctrine is merely human rules." But because we are no longer under physical law, it is no longer wrong to eat pork for religious reasons. It is still unwise for health reasons. A little pork here and there is ok, but if we ate it all the time and our health declined, that is destroying the temple of God- which is our bodies.
 
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posthuman said:
because that's what your position has God telling Peter to do in Acts 10, get up and sin, using a specific command to do something wicked, intending Peter to disobey His evil command which He spoke presumptuously and insincerely.
you're looking for God Himself lying and enticing His own children to blaspheme, requiring His followers to do what He hates and forbids them to do.
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Nowhere in Acts ten does GOD command Peter to eat the unclean. Nowhere!
 
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