The Behavior of The Saved and Condemned

[unctus]

So you don't like to be treated the way you treat others.

True or False

Answer the Question...

I go the extra mile.

I treat others better than I would have them treat me.

I love the praise of God.

 

[unctus]

If they would just treat me right

that would be acceptable to me.

 

[PennEd]

I pay whoever wrote Ephesians no mind.
In fact I have never read it.
I have the Spirit of truth as my teacher
I need not anything else.
I am not here to convince you
so do not expect me to try to change your heart.

And I will not hold it against you are give it a thought
if you reject that to which I have said to you.

And I will not call you any names if you do not receive me.

Dear Friends, if you are bored and just feel like playing with the troll I get it.

But remember that trolls feed on attention. Starve them of that, and either their attacks get worse to the point of banning, or they also get bored and go away on their own.

 

[Lillywolf]

You hit the nail on the head....

Did they? That's the member you said you don't agree with in their postings. But here you are, agreeing with them.
And you both have the same attitude toward the Bible and those who know the scriptures, unlike the two of you demonstrate.

The two of you unite and claim you should not be corrected of your errors concerning scripture. YOU even stated earlier that this site needs people like you here doing what you're doing. Which is, misrepresenting the scriptures, accusing Christians of bad behavior, and whining when someone disagrees with you, using the symbol available to state that.

 

[luigi]

It's amazing how some here respond with so much hatred towards someone who has not responded in kind to them. Yes, it is true, the saved will love you as Jesus loved them, while the condemned will not love you as Jesus loved them.

 

[Lillywolf]

I take responsibility for my actions, not those of others. I noticed the OP's unpleasant tone in his first few posts. 'He' hasn't bothered to change it. That's entirely on 'him'.

He, like unto Unctus, is unapologetic for their behavior. It is instead our fault we reprimand them for their , or his, behavior.

I agree with the brother. And it is something I said many pages ago in this thread that was started by Sketch. We've paid his intentions and disrespect attention now for 20 pages. To what end? Is it positive? Educational for them? To the contrary. Instead, they berate us for having the good open hearts we have to correct them of their error. As we're told to do. See 2 Timothy 2 for one example.

I have no problem saying the troll(s) should be removed from our midst. They serve no purpose but their own agenda. Pray for them. They'll be back I'm sure. But in the meantime people of Christ deserve more respect than what is shown by Unctus and Sketch.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

when folks play with a 'spirit' that is not the Holy Spirit, they will never have any sort of honest exchange

the 'tells' are spilling out of almost every post

personally, I don't know why anyone should feed them.

they invite you to judge them and then condemn you when you do that

they taunt and throw out super spirituality (never of God) and then tell you that you are not Christlike because you do not humble yourself before their superior 'godlike' persona

even the demons tremble and acknowledge God is God. trolls envison themself the same way and demand you respect them

false teachers and preachers do the same

etc

 

[luigi]

The Pharisees also found the tone the Lord presented ugly to their ears.

Malachi 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the Lord an offering in righteousness.

 

[Lillywolf]

when folks play with a 'spirit' that is not the Holy Spirit, they will never have any sort of honest exchange

the 'tells' are spilling out of almost every post

personally, I don't know why anyone should feed them.

they invite you to judge them and then condemn you when you do that

they taunt and throw out super spirituality (never of God) and then tell you that you are not Christlike because you do not humble yourself before their superior 'godlike' persona

even the demons tremble and acknowledge God is God. trolls envison themself the same way and demand you respect them

false teachers and preachers do the same

etc

It is the Bible discussion forum. We surely can spend our time discussing the Bible we love. Rather than entertaining the telling twosome that are amused we think they'll come around.
What would Jesus do about trolling trolls who disrespect his word?
Forgive.
Would he entertain them in their further pursuit of that?

I don't think so.

I love that octopus. Run cuppy, run!

 

[luigi]

The Pharisees also called the Holy Spirit within Jesus an unholy spirit.

 

[posthuman]

Proverbs 10:12
Hatred stirs up conflict, but love covers over all wrongs.

1 Corinthians 13:4-5
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.

 

[posthuman]

What would Jesus do about trolling trolls who disrespect his word?

in John 9 He healed a blind man and kind of trolled them back

 

[Lillywolf]

The Pharisees also found the tone the Lord presented ugly to their ears.

Malachi 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the Lord an offering in righteousness.

And Jesus tells us why that is so.

Hypocrisy of the Pharisees, Matt 23:1-12
Jesus, at this time, was thronged with pilgrims from all over Israel who had come to celebrate the Passover feast. Addressing Himself to them and to His own disciples, Jesus solemnly warned them concerning the scribes and Pharisees (cf. Mark 12:38-40; Lk 20:45-47). This discourse, as a whole, is found only in Matthew. Jesus began by acknowledging that they were seated in Moses’ seat. While not saying it in so many words, He implied that they were usurpers who were not truly successors of Moses. But nevertheless, their position must be recognized. Accordingly, He told them, “All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do” (23:3).

By commanding them to observe and do what the Pharisees instructed them, Jesus certainly did not mean that they should follow the false teachings of the Pharisees but rather those teachings that naturally and correctly arose from the Law of Moses. In general, the Pharisees were upholders of the law and should be recognized for this. Contpnues: https://bible.org/seriespage/23-jesus-condemns-scribes-and-pharisees

 

[luigi]

And Jesus tells us why that is so.

Hypocrisy of the Pharisees, Matt 23:1-12
Jesus, at this time, was thronged with pilgrims from all over Israel who had come to celebrate the Passover feast. Addressing Himself to them and to His own disciples, Jesus solemnly warned them concerning the scribes and Pharisees (cf. Mark 12:38-40; Lk 20:45-47). This discourse, as a whole, is found only in Matthew. Jesus began by acknowledging that they were seated in Moses’ seat. While not saying it in so many words, He implied that they were usurpers who were not truly successors of Moses. But nevertheless, their position must be recognized. Accordingly, He told them, “All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do” (23:3).

By commanding them to observe and do what the Pharisees instructed them, Jesus certainly did not mean that they should follow the false teachings of the Pharisees but rather those teachings that naturally and correctly arose from the Law of Moses. In general, the Pharisees were upholders of the law and should be recognized for this. Contpnues: https://bible.org/seriespage/23-jesus-condemns-scribes-and-pharisees

Jesus preached love, peace, truth, all of which was despicable to the Pharisees ears.
When someone then comes here asking whether we are to love one another, and gets blasted by numerous individuals, some of whom even claim him having another spirit than that from God, I then recognize a lot of Pharisees spirits here.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

It is the Bible discussion forum. We surely can spend our time discussing the Bible we love. Rather than entertaining the telling twosome that are amused we think they'll come around.
What would Jesus do about trolling trolls who disrespect his word?
Forgive.
Would he entertain them in their further pursuit of that?

I don't think so.

I love that octopus. Run cuppy, run!

well, we must, yes must is the right word, forgive those who despise and use us just as Christ in God has forgiven us...and this can be a struggle if we forgive from the heart as Jesus says we must

two things: we start the process with an affirmation of what God says is true and we assent
God deals with each one of us, if our hearts are open before Him (He always sees straight in, but too many keep their
hearts hidden even from themselves) so that we do forgive from the heart

you can still be straight up with a forgiving heart...and since God knows the heart, and while I have not attained to all that I can be in Christ, I have no problem being straight up

I don't entertain what I perceive as masquerading as truth and so far, well, so far, I have not had to apologize. I don't like it when some say well Jesus had a stern rebuke so I can also. the reason I don't like it, is that many who say that, basically operate out of that at many turns

since I will most likely never meet anyone in this forum outside of heaven, I can say that I experience sorrow over these things but I did not come to that without some tough and diligent lessons taught by the Holy Spirit who is never above giving us a good tap on the shoulder

that is not bragging...but anyone who thinks so is fine to think so

ps...think that mollusk just ran past my window

 

[7seasrekeyed]

The Pharisees also called the Holy Spirit within Jesus an unholy spirit.

see?

that's another 'tell'

the unholy spirit was in the ones calling the ACTUAL holy one unclean

reread the thread

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Jesus preached love, peace, truth, all of which was despicable to the Pharisees ears.
When someone then comes here asking whether we are to love one another, and gets blasted by numerous individuals, some of whom even claim him having another spirit than that from God, I then recognize a lot of Pharisees spirits here.

Jesus also called the religious leaders 'liars, serpents, said their father was the devil etc

I do not call people names and frankly, I don't think you do recognize the Pharisee spirit and frankly, I am really fatigued with Christians call other Christians pharisees

can we please think of another name? better yet...no names

if you are a Christian, you will not call others names. oops

is that statement true or not true?

 

[Hevosmies]

Proverbs 10:12
Hatred stirs up conflict, but love covers over all wrongs.

1 Corinthians 13:4-5
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.

I wish I was more of a loving person. I dont wanna go through hardships to learn that though, i'm OPTING OUT of that option

Still, its just so hard to always be loving and nice.

Could someone answer this to me: HOw come the Bible says that in 1 Corinthians 13:4-5 but then we see how Paul and almost everyone else seemingly disobeys this very thing? "If any man love not the Lord, let him be accursed" well thats not loving. Or what Paul said to the judaizers in 5:12?. What is the difference between STRONG REBUKE and "Love does not dishonor others" as the verse above says?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I wish I was more of a loving person. I dont wanna go through hardships to learn that though, i'm OPTING OUT of that option

Still, its just so hard to always be loving and nice.

Could someone answer this to me: HOw come the Bible says that in 1 Corinthians 13:4-5 but then we see how Paul and almost everyone else seemingly disobeys this very thing? "If any man love not the Lord, let him be accursed" well thats not loving. Or what Paul said to the judaizers in 5:12?. What is the difference between STRONG REBUKE and "Love does not dishonor others" as the verse above says?

if I may?

Paul also says he wishes that he were accursed rather than see his countrymen shut out

For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, my own flesh and blood,
Romans 9:3

you are right. it IS hard to always be loving and nice...love, in scripture when discussing the things of God, is an 'action' word and not a fluffy emotion. as Paul says...he wishes he were accursed, the pain of his love for his own people and he remembers his own condition before Christ met him to say this

God is holy...meaning set apart, not meaning His actions (although all are holy because He is holy)

honestly....not one single one of us can claim this love on our own. the heart is a very fickle thing. very. every one of us

in other words, it would be correct to say that Paul strongly rebuked those trying to convince new Gentile converts to follow certain Jewish law or custom, out of love, but the source of the love would be God. I think it would be correct to say because of his great love for God, Paul also loved those who were lost and or cut off

we cannot do this on our own especially when we have a real reason to dislike or even hate in some extreme cases

John said we love because He first loved us. allowing people to continue blindly in deception or false love is not God's love

I think wanting others to like or love us may be the reason some always sound so accepting...and please...I am not at all meaning that to anyone in this forum

hope that helps

 

[unctus]

I wish I was more of a loving person. I dont wanna go through hardships to learn that though, i'm OPTING OUT of that option

Still, its just so hard to always be loving and nice.

Could someone answer this to me: HOw come the Bible says that in 1 Corinthians 13:4-5 but then we see how Paul and almost everyone else seemingly disobeys this very thing? "If any man love not the Lord, let him be accursed" well thats not loving. Or what Paul said to the judaizers in 5:12?. What is the difference between STRONG REBUKE and "Love does not dishonor others" as the verse above says?

It is the motive of the heart.

For example if a parent whips their children
to correct them and that is what it took to correct
them that is in love.

For correction is love.

But if a parent whips there children
because they had a bad day or for any other reason
than to correct them
then that is not love.