Godliness Vs the control of men
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He sure does.
I dont know greek. And i know for a FACT majority of those who base their arguments and definitions on "the greek" dont know it either. Instead what they do is they go to Biblehub or use scriptureforall or something like that, they look up in the interlinear, click on the words and read the definitions of the word they want to know about from different lexicons or dictionaries or whatever.
What this does is, it allows for them to CHOOSE to their own liking, which definition they like the most, and then run with it. Often times words dont work that way, anyone who speaks multiple languages knows that how words are translated depends on the CONTEXT as well, not just what the word "means".
This is not to say that it can be helpful and increase understanding in some verses etc.
I dont know greek. And i know for a FACT majority of those who base their arguments and definitions on "the greek" dont know it either. Instead what they do is they go to Biblehub or use scriptureforall or something like that, they look up in the interlinear, click on the words and read the definitions of the word they want to know about from different lexicons or dictionaries or whatever.
What this does is, it allows for them to CHOOSE to their own liking, which definition they like the most, and then run with it. Often times words dont work that way, anyone who speaks multiple languages knows that how words are translated depends on the CONTEXT as well, not just what the word "means".
This is not to say that it can be helpful and increase understanding in some verses etc.
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This whole post is nothing other than misinformation. Don't call us untrained readers then blast us with lies. We know what whoremongers are. The scriptures most assuredly describes sex before marriage. You come in here with statements like "the great pillar of man made pseudo-religious control." What kind of psychobabble is that? It is no wonder they are doubting your Christian status. The whole OP should be ignored for the trash that it is. 
Thanks for your message.
Yes, I described the cultural attitude (note not Biblical attitude) towards sex before marriage as "the great pillar of man made pseudo-religious control...".
It's not 'psychobabble', it's actually quite easy to understand if you read the words, then put them together.
And look, it's the only one of my 5 or so points that has attracted replies...
The first part of your post above isn't strictly true.
You see, you presuppose that sex before marriage was outlawed some time ago, then say (implicitly) that my argument is simply "what was true back then doesn't apply now".
That's not what is being said here.
Sexual immorality (which of my 5 points is the only one that has attracted replies) is described in the Bible (e.g. homosexuality).
Other things to do with sex are described in the Bible (e.g. lust, and how affairs start at thought), but sex before marriage isn't.
I'm not arguing that sex before marriage was 'bad once but ok now', I'm saying it was never 'outlawed' at all in the Bible.
It is simply a cultural thing, for good or bad.
A bit like tithing.
We don't HAVE to do that, but in many Church cultures it is done.
But sex before marriage is that big thing isn't it...
You see, you presuppose that sex before marriage was outlawed some time ago, then say (implicitly) that my argument is simply "what was true back then doesn't apply now".
That's not what is being said here.
Sexual immorality (which of my 5 points is the only one that has attracted replies) is described in the Bible (e.g. homosexuality).
Other things to do with sex are described in the Bible (e.g. lust, and how affairs start at thought), but sex before marriage isn't.
I'm not arguing that sex before marriage was 'bad once but ok now', I'm saying it was never 'outlawed' at all in the Bible.
It is simply a cultural thing, for good or bad.
A bit like tithing.
We don't HAVE to do that, but in many Church cultures it is done.
But sex before marriage is that big thing isn't it...
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I can understand the frustration. For a long time, I didn't feel connected to people at church, but if they needed my help, i was asked. I was happy to help, but at the same time, I felt like they didn't want me around. I eventually got over it and started spending time with people from church outside of church. i let my guard down, which helped me to be more open to fellowship.
i'm now at a new fellowship since i moved away from home, so i guess you can say i'm starting all over again. since i'm an introvert, it can be difficult, but little by little, i'll get there.
i'm now at a new fellowship since i moved away from home, so i guess you can say i'm starting all over again. since i'm an introvert, it can be difficult, but little by little, i'll get there.
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Oh OK fair enough.
Yes, I know that Jesus Christ is Lord and saviour.
I'm not one of the enemy that tries to lead us away, on the wrong path.
I'm simply questioning some of the things that various Christian groups partake in, and whether they are in fact:
a. Biblical
b. Cultural/traditional, but not necessarily of Biblical origin.
Yes, I know that Jesus Christ is Lord and saviour.
I'm not one of the enemy that tries to lead us away, on the wrong path.
I'm simply questioning some of the things that various Christian groups partake in, and whether they are in fact:
a. Biblical
b. Cultural/traditional, but not necessarily of Biblical origin.
Not as simple as that in reality, no.
Somebody tells you something, and says it's supported by the Bible.
You either:
a. Take their interpretation as gospel
b. Read it yourself, and trust God to reach into your life and bring you to the message
c. After doing b, you either
c1. Genuinely don't understand the message, and know you don't understand, or
c2. Genuinely feel that you understand, but without knowing it have misunderstood.
c3. Have understood correctly (genuinely), but seek to pervert the word either for your own gain, control, or something else.
It's like my other thread on tithing.
There were people on that thread quoting Malachi, saying it's absolutely necessary to tithe and that anybody who doesn't is stealing from God.
Then there were others who said that Malachi was God talking to Israel about something other than bringing in 10% of your gross monetary income into your local Church, and that we are no longer under the old covenant.
They can't both be right, so who was perverting God's word there...?
Biblical or culture/tradition is the point.
Somebody tells you something, and says it's supported by the Bible.
You either:
a. Take their interpretation as gospel
b. Read it yourself, and trust God to reach into your life and bring you to the message
c. After doing b, you either
c1. Genuinely don't understand the message, and know you don't understand, or
c2. Genuinely feel that you understand, but without knowing it have misunderstood.
c3. Have understood correctly (genuinely), but seek to pervert the word either for your own gain, control, or something else.
It's like my other thread on tithing.
There were people on that thread quoting Malachi, saying it's absolutely necessary to tithe and that anybody who doesn't is stealing from God.
Then there were others who said that Malachi was God talking to Israel about something other than bringing in 10% of your gross monetary income into your local Church, and that we are no longer under the old covenant.
They can't both be right, so who was perverting God's word there...?
Biblical or culture/tradition is the point.