Has the law been put aside? If so, when?
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Yes, and he didn't, as other priests, have to offer up a sacrifice for himself; Hebrews 7:27. This is meaning and showing that he himself was sinless, had kept every point of the Law, and fulfilled it; Romans 5. Without this he could not be our eternal High Priest who saved us with a one time offering, perfecting us forever who are sanctified; Hebrews 10:14. Thus, through his obedience, life, death, resurrection we are saved. You can't toss out one aspect and have a perfect Savior.
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Can you tell me in which church you received antinomianism teaching?
I just have not find that church where the pastor says just "live like the devil, its all good."
Now I do live a big, big city, and I do get around but I have yet to find one
I just have not find that church where the pastor says just "live like the devil, its all good."
Now I do live a big, big city, and I do get around but I have yet to find one
The law is written upon on people’s hearts.
14-16 When outsiders who have never heard of God’s law follow it more or less by instinct, they confirm its truth by their obedience. They show that God’s law is not something alien, imposed on us from without, but woven into the very fabric of our creation. There is something deep within them that echoes God’s yes and no, right and wrong. Their response to God’s yes and no will become public knowledge on the day God makes his final decision about every man and woman. The Message from God that I proclaim through Jesus Christ takes into account all these differences.(Romans2)
Now, the Law(the sacrificial system) was solely given to the Jews. But all peoples of all time have had the law of God written upon their hearts. Or as The Message puts it, “but woven into the very fabric of our creation”.
14-16 When outsiders who have never heard of God’s law follow it more or less by instinct, they confirm its truth by their obedience. They show that God’s law is not something alien, imposed on us from without, but woven into the very fabric of our creation. There is something deep within them that echoes God’s yes and no, right and wrong. Their response to God’s yes and no will become public knowledge on the day God makes his final decision about every man and woman. The Message from God that I proclaim through Jesus Christ takes into account all these differences.(Romans2)
Now, the Law(the sacrificial system) was solely given to the Jews. But all peoples of all time have had the law of God written upon their hearts. Or as The Message puts it, “but woven into the very fabric of our creation”.
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No, I don't believe that it means that we have carte blanche to disregard the law and do whatever we want and there is something wrong with the spirit of those who would think that way.
The Law has been fulfilled on our behalf. We are no longer under that covenant, but under a new covenant of those who follow Christ and are led by the Spirit. Jesus didn't come to fulfill the Law so that we could continue to try and meet its requirements.
"For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast."
"Therefore no one will be justified in His sight by works of the Law. For the Law merely brings awareness of sin. But now, apart from the Law, the righteousness of God has been revealed, as attested by the Law and the Prophets. And this righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe."
You are correct in that, God does not change. The Law was simply fulfilled through Christ. He met the Law's righteous requirements on every believers behalf, satisfying it completely. So what do we do? We follow Christ and if we fail at anything, that is, if we sin, we confess our sins and He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanses us from all unrighteousness. As we continue in faith in Him we are being transformed into His image, which is a life-long process.
God didn't change anything, He appeared in the flesh and met the righteous requirements of the Law that we who are under sin are unable to do. Now by believing in Him, the fulfillment of the Law has been credited to us by faith through the One who accomplished it.
I would completely agree with that sir.
Have a blessed day!
The Law has been fulfilled on our behalf. We are no longer under that covenant, but under a new covenant of those who follow Christ and are led by the Spirit. Jesus didn't come to fulfill the Law so that we could continue to try and meet its requirements.
"For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast."
"Therefore no one will be justified in His sight by works of the Law. For the Law merely brings awareness of sin. But now, apart from the Law, the righteousness of God has been revealed, as attested by the Law and the Prophets. And this righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe."
You are correct in that, God does not change. The Law was simply fulfilled through Christ. He met the Law's righteous requirements on every believers behalf, satisfying it completely. So what do we do? We follow Christ and if we fail at anything, that is, if we sin, we confess our sins and He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanses us from all unrighteousness. As we continue in faith in Him we are being transformed into His image, which is a life-long process.
God didn't change anything, He appeared in the flesh and met the righteous requirements of the Law that we who are under sin are unable to do. Now by believing in Him, the fulfillment of the Law has been credited to us by faith through the One who accomplished it.
I would completely agree with that sir.
Have a blessed day!
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Hello again Sketch,
Yes, that is correct. Jesus did not come to set aside the Law , but in kinning himself to us as a human being He fulfilled the Law, satisfying it completely, which is also applied to us who believe. He also took upon Himself God's wrath that we deserve. Therefore, those who are in Christ, like Abraham, have been credited with righteousness and the wrath of God no longer rests upon those who believe. Those who have no faith and die in that state, will be judged for every idle word they have ever spoken and the wrath of God remains upon them.
Yes, that is correct. Jesus did not come to set aside the Law , but in kinning himself to us as a human being He fulfilled the Law, satisfying it completely, which is also applied to us who believe. He also took upon Himself God's wrath that we deserve. Therefore, those who are in Christ, like Abraham, have been credited with righteousness and the wrath of God no longer rests upon those who believe. Those who have no faith and die in that state, will be judged for every idle word they have ever spoken and the wrath of God remains upon them.
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How do you reconcile what you have just said with scripture??
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
The Lord didn't say He came to fulfill some of the law. He said He came to fulfill ALL of it. And not one jot or tittle would pass from that Law until ALL is fulfilled.
I sometimes wonder if people know they are contradicting Christ...
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
The Lord didn't say He came to fulfill some of the law. He said He came to fulfill ALL of it. And not one jot or tittle would pass from that Law until ALL is fulfilled.
I sometimes wonder if people know they are contradicting Christ...
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How can folks not see?
Jesus Himself FULFILLED the Law.........the Law under the First Covenant........call it whatever you choose
He established the New Covenant, GRACE, and, in so doing, He also gave us a NEW LAW, the Law of Faith as spoken of by the Apostle Paul...........
The Church IS NOT under the Law of the First Covenant that pertained to Ceremonial and Dietary Laws...........yes, the Laws concerning Moral Living did transfer over to the New Covenant. And, yes, some do not accept that........but it is in Scripture, and in the words of Jesus Himself.
The Law of the First Covenant (call it what you will........) did not cease........it simply DOES NOT APPLY to the Church that Christ established. It still exists, AND, if someone chooses to try and LIVE by that Law, they WILL BE JUDGED BY THAT LAW and NOT by Grace as will the Church. Both Christ and the Apostle made it quite clear that NO ONE will be saved by the Law of the First Covenant! NO ONE! So, anyone choosing to live in obedience to that Law is simply throwing their Eternity with Christ out the window.
As long as there is a Jew who refuses to confess Christ as the Messiah, the Promised One, and remains committed to trying to live under the Law of the First Covenant, the Law will remain. I truly feel sorry for anyone who believes they must live under such a Law to receive Eternal Life.........goodness.......Christ DIED to make it CLEAR to ONE and ALL that that Law WILL NOT justify ANYONE!
No one, no one, NO ONE can LIVE in perfect obedience to the Law of the First Covenant, ergo, they are assured of being found GUILTY come the day of Judgement............and they will reap the eternal reward of the guilty............and THAT AIN'T Eternal Life with Christ!
Judaisers are very, very dangerous, and a direct threat to the Church in my opinion!
Jesus Himself FULFILLED the Law.........the Law under the First Covenant........call it whatever you choose
He established the New Covenant, GRACE, and, in so doing, He also gave us a NEW LAW, the Law of Faith as spoken of by the Apostle Paul...........
The Church IS NOT under the Law of the First Covenant that pertained to Ceremonial and Dietary Laws...........yes, the Laws concerning Moral Living did transfer over to the New Covenant. And, yes, some do not accept that........but it is in Scripture, and in the words of Jesus Himself.
The Law of the First Covenant (call it what you will........) did not cease........it simply DOES NOT APPLY to the Church that Christ established. It still exists, AND, if someone chooses to try and LIVE by that Law, they WILL BE JUDGED BY THAT LAW and NOT by Grace as will the Church. Both Christ and the Apostle made it quite clear that NO ONE will be saved by the Law of the First Covenant! NO ONE! So, anyone choosing to live in obedience to that Law is simply throwing their Eternity with Christ out the window.
As long as there is a Jew who refuses to confess Christ as the Messiah, the Promised One, and remains committed to trying to live under the Law of the First Covenant, the Law will remain. I truly feel sorry for anyone who believes they must live under such a Law to receive Eternal Life.........goodness.......Christ DIED to make it CLEAR to ONE and ALL that that Law WILL NOT justify ANYONE!
No one, no one, NO ONE can LIVE in perfect obedience to the Law of the First Covenant, ergo, they are assured of being found GUILTY come the day of Judgement............and they will reap the eternal reward of the guilty............and THAT AIN'T Eternal Life with Christ!
Judaisers are very, very dangerous, and a direct threat to the Church in my opinion!
FOR CLARIFICATION:
paul and the judaizers...his attempts to thwart the teachings ...
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More numerous are references to the ideological differences with "those who would lead them astray." These were people who were perceived by Paul as serious and dangerous adversaries and came to be known as "Judaizers" (Encyclopedia Judaica, 1971, Vol. 10, p. 398; New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1967, Vol. 8, p. 13) The word is not found in the New Testament. The term is used loosely to identify persons who practiced some Jewish customs and observed some Jewish laws.
This is a complex subject. Writers have distinguished three groups among Judaizers:
paul and the judaizers...his attempts to thwart the teachings ...
EXCERPT
More numerous are references to the ideological differences with "those who would lead them astray." These were people who were perceived by Paul as serious and dangerous adversaries and came to be known as "Judaizers" (Encyclopedia Judaica, 1971, Vol. 10, p. 398; New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1967, Vol. 8, p. 13) The word is not found in the New Testament. The term is used loosely to identify persons who practiced some Jewish customs and observed some Jewish laws.
This is a complex subject. Writers have distinguished three groups among Judaizers:
- Jewish Christians
- Gentile Judaizing Christians
- God-fearers
