The Adamic Problem

[Endoscopy]

You are about to be excommunicated from the good old boy Calvinist club

Oh horrors. I'm going to faint. ROFL

 

[trofimus]

maybe i program a robot to have free will.

what then?

how would you do that? the same way as you will draw a square circle?

 

[posthuman]

You should've asked the robot if it wanted that first.

maybe i should leave its programming blank; maybe it is dishonoring to the robot to program it

**considers renting gallery space to display blank canvases**

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

Oh horrors. I'm going to faint. ROFL

Well you are always welcome in the whomsoever will may come club

 

[posthuman]

how would you do that?

fearfully and wonderfully

 

[trofimus]

Literal interpretation of this is the PLAIN MEANING of the text,

I do not think its a definition of literalism. "No dogs in heaven" has a plain meaning, but not a literal one. "You are a rock" has also a plain meaning, but not a literal one.

On the other hand.. does anything in the Bible have a "plain" meaning? All is quite deep and has many layers. Both literal and metaphorical verses.

 

[trofimus]

maybe i should leave its programming blank; maybe it is dishonoring to the robot to program it

**thinks about renting gallery space to display blank canvases**

Or you could create artificial intelligence, i.e. give it ability to learn and develop. But its not free will either.

 

[posthuman]

On the other hand.. does anything in the Bible have a "plain" meaning? All is quite deep and has many layers.

good point; not even "what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them"

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

good point; not even "what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them"

Allegorical method much?

 

[posthuman]

Or you could create artificial intelligence, i.e. give it ability to learn and develop. But its not free will either.

hmm i don't know; what if it comes back and says 'why did you give me ability to learn and develop? i found bad teachers and got all screwed up, beep-beep-bloop' ?

 

[preacher4truth]

Well you are always welcome in the whomsoever will may come club

We own that club too. In fact it's entirely made up of the elect.

 

[trofimus]

Or you could create artificial intelligence, i.e. give it ability to learn and develop. But its not free will either.

...or, is it...?

 

[posthuman]

Allegorical method much?

quite often, yes. but not universally. He teaches in parables, but He also speaks plainly.

 

[trofimus]

hmm i don't know; what if it comes back and says 'why did you give me ability to learn and develop? i found bad teachers and got all screwed up, beep-beep-bloop' ?

Yep, happened to Microsoft. People created a hateful nazi from their AI they put online

 

[posthuman]

Yep, happened to Microsoft. People created a hateful nazi from their AI they put online

didn't take long at all, iirc

 

[posthuman]

didn't take long at all, iirc

reminds me of the unctual 'will the children of God be loving' thread from last week... didn't take long to become very unloving

 

[trofimus]

reminds me of the unctual 'will the children of God be loving' thread from last week... didn't take long to become very unloving

The Univese is funny.

 

[posthuman]

The Univese is funny.

i wonder if it is programmed to be that way?

 

[preacher4truth]

maybe i should leave its programming blank; maybe it is dishonoring to the robot to program it

**considers renting gallery space to display blank canvases**

That's fatalism.

 

[trofimus]

i wonder if it is programmed to be that way?

I think the universe works on probability. Probability allows certainity of events and also a free will.

Its like in a casino. No matter how many times you win, at the end, the casino always wins.