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Fair enough question, hmmmm? Very good, let me ponder here....

Maybe because Paul refers to Himself as a Chief of a sinner, the worst of the worst. God is just God sounds offensive, maybe, but I say God does what God does, His order in mercy and Justice, are just who He is.
Exactly. Paul sees himself as chief of sinners. Does HistoryPrincess? Paul was always against sin in the Church also. But he never came across as one above it. He saw himself as the worst. He felt like he should not be called a Christian whereas HistoryPrincess doesn't want to identify with Christians.

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Someone answer this question for me. I will not accept platitudes or easy answers.

Of all the vile, ..........................................................................able sin?

Why exactly is it that out of all the horrible AC..................................................................<snipped most of the drivel>
If only you were God then it would all be better. :rolleyes:

Oh, and quite the straw man mess up there as well. Believing that God exists isn't a ticket to heaven or forgiveness.

Maybe it is you who should think? Yep, that's it.
 

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HistoryPrincess might be against the ‘Catholics ‘calling themselves’ Christians’
 

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HistoryPrincess might be against the ‘Catholics
If only you were God then it would all be better. :rolleyes:

Oh, and quite the straw man mess up there as well. Believing that God exists isn't a ticket to heaven or forgiveness.

Maybe it is you who should think? Yep, that's it.
I would give her a place for goddess for a day see how it goes
 

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I would give her a place for goddess for a day see how it goes
...yeah, you would, no surprise there especially after reading your other comments.

Hmmm, dethrone YHWH in order to put someone hostile toward God, his Church and his Christ in authority.

Very sad comment of yours, blasphemous really.

You will give an account for that, it truly shows your heart; Jeremiah 17:9; Romans 8:7.
 

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...yeah, you would, no surprise there especially after reading your other comments.

Hmmm, dethrone YHWH in order to put someone hostile toward God, his Church and his Christ in authority.

Very sad comment of yours, blasphemous really.

You will give an account for that, it truly shows your heart; Jeremiah 17:9; Romans 8:7.

This is not true.
 

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Let me say, for the record, that any person who sexually molests children is not to be even remotely considered a Christian. They're lost. The OP is off track in many aspects including considering them Christian, not to mention her blasphemous remarks against God.

Apostate Rome has opened the flood gates to this sexual perversion due to false teaching and an abominable unbiblical office of "priest." Make that fake office have a requirement that the male be unmarried celibate? Well, well, the pedophiles are just flocking to her to take that office.
 

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Let me say, for the record, that any person who sexually molests children is not to be even remotely considered a Christian. They're lost. The OP is off track in many aspects including considering them Christian, not to mention her blasphemous remarks against God.

Apostate Rome has opened the flood gates to this sexual perversion due to false teaching and an abominable unbiblical office of "priest." Make that fake office have a requirement that the male be unmarried celibate? Well, well, the pedophiles are just flocking to her to take that office.

It is a fake office. That’s why it failed.
 

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Even if the fake office is right in front of my house. They lost and really i don’t hear them anymore. Interpret the silence.
 
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Well, HistoryPrincess doesn't want to call herself Christian anymore. She sees herself above such things. She is too good to be identify with the Christian people who are a bunch of redeemed sinners. Paul on the other hand was quite different. He always took the position of a sinner before God. And not just a sinner...but the 'chief of sinners'.

HistoryPrincess is coming against Christians as if she is better. Paul always came as one who was the least, and unworthy. Big difference here.

The truth is that every believer is capeable of every sin ever done under the sun. To see yourself as above anyone who does it, is to not understand the fall of mankind. As Christians we don't condone such behavior, but we neither do we see ourselves above such behavior.

You are correct. God could have sent us all to hell and be just in doing so. His righteousness would not be infringed at all. Instead He made it so that we who are such sinners are brought into a righteous state to the degree that it would be unjust for God to send us to hell and not let us in Heaven. God is just now in bringing us to Himself in Heaven. (Rom. 3:26)

Thus I don't believe we ever, as believers, cease to identify with God and Jesus Christ and His people.

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I know very well I'm a filthy sinner. I'm nothing but a mere spot in this mess of a world. I know I'm worthy of hellfire and damnation. I know I'm worthy of the worst punishment God could possibly inflict. I know I'm not above anyone else in this regard.

But I don't care. A Christian who rapes a child is not a Christian, no matter what you say. We have things called STANDARDS to live up to. Without those standards, we wouldn't be able to tell who's really a Christian.

But believe me, just because I love God doesn't mean I love everything he does. In fact, I only really love God out of gratefulness for allowing his son to take the hellish punishment I deserve. I only love him because I must if I want to survive. I only love him because he made me to do that. I only love him because he's the Almighty Creator of the universe. I'd hate to be anyone's enemy, but his most of all.

Say what you will, but even though I feel emotions, I don't feel them the same way everyone else does. I was not designed that way, and constantly having to explain it to people only reminds me of how short I feel of being human. I empathize more with animals and feel I have much more in common with them than human beings.

Again, believe me, I've cried over feeling incredibly lonely. Having no friends or close family members or even God to share life with. That no one, God included, will EVER understand how LONELY it can be being where I am. But who am I to talk bad of anything God does? If anything else I just keep my mouth shut to keep from being thrown into the fire.

And let me tell you, if you were to ask me if I value fairness or love, I'd choose fairness. That's how life is, and I sometimes wish that's how God worked. Yes, even for me, his "precious" creation. I know what love is, but I've never felt it the way a lot of humans take for granted. God then must want to make an example of me to show everyone how humans do NOT love. But no matter. What do I know? I deserve nothing good from him.

There comes a time when someone has to put aside their childish notions and accept the world as I previously said it is, even with a loving God in it. It may be bad, terrible even, but I don't even want to think about the horrors of hell.

He's God. I'm not. I love him, but I'm not capable of loving him the way he probably wants me to.
 
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Let me say, for the record, that any person who sexually molests children is not to be even remotely considered a Christian. They're lost. The OP is off track in many aspects including considering them Christian, not to mention her blasphemous remarks against God.

Apostate Rome has opened the flood gates to this sexual perversion due to false teaching and an abominable unbiblical office of "priest." Make that fake office have a requirement that the male be unmarried celibate? Well, well, the pedophiles are just flocking to her to take that office.
It's not celibacy that makes men become pedophiles. Married men molest kids as much as single men do.
 

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I know very well I'm a filthy sinner. I'm nothing but a mere spot in this mess of a world. I know I'm worthy of hellfire and damnation. I know I'm worthy of the worst punishment God could possibly inflict. I know I'm not above anyone else in this regard.

But I don't care. A Christian who rapes a child is not a Christian, no matter what you say. We have things called STANDARDS to live up to. Without those standards, we wouldn't be able to tell who's really a Christian.

But believe me, just because I love God doesn't mean I love everything he does. In fact, I only really love God out of gratefulness for allowing his son to take the hellish punishment I deserve. I only love him because I must if I want to survive. I only love him because he made me to do that. I only love him because he's the Almighty Creator of the universe. I'd hate to be anyone's enemy, but his most of all.

Say what you will, but even though I feel emotions, I don't feel them the same way everyone else does. I was not designed that way, and constantly having to explain it to people only reminds me of how short I feel of being human. I empathize more with animals and feel I have much more in common with them than human beings.

Again, believe me, I've cried over feeling incredibly lonely. Having no friends or close family members or even God to share life with. That no one, God included, will EVER understand how LONELY it can be being where I am. But who am I to talk bad of anything God does? If anything else I just keep my mouth shut to keep from being thrown into the fire.

And let me tell you, if you were to ask me if I value fairness or love, I'd choose fairness. That's how life is, and I sometimes wish that's how God worked. Yes, even for me, his "precious" creation. I know what love is, but I've never felt it the way a lot of humans take for granted. God then must want to make an example of me to show everyone how humans do NOT love. But no matter. What do I know? I deserve nothing good from him.

There comes a time when someone has to put aside their childish notions and accept the world as I previously said it is, even with a loving God in it. It may be bad, terrible even, but I don't even want to think about the horrors of hell.

He's God. I'm not. I love him, but I'm not capable of loving him the way he probably wants me to.
I am not against your anger toward pedophiles or any other terrible sins you see in the world that Christians have done or are capeable of doing. God does not condone that either. And none of it will go unpunished. The verse in (Heb. 10:31), "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God", is written to Christians. And this speaks to the here and now.

What I oppose is your unwillingness to call yourself Christian if indeed you are Christian, as I don't know you. A Christian is one who has come to Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour and is born-again. Does Jesus Christ condone pedophiles? Of course not. Many of these that your read about may not even be Christian. They could be just religious with a job. But let's say one is a Christian, who has walked in the flesh to the degree that he has committed this sin. Does Jesus Christ condone this just because he is a Christian? Of course not. Does Christ see it? Of course He does. And again, (Heb. 10:31) "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." Read also (Heb. 10:29) "Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?"

Your posts seem to indicate that Christians or non-Christians who do these things are getting away with it. They do not. Even if we do not see what we believe to be justice executed, I assure you it is. God can build a prison for a person without using bars and walls. And God can execute a person any time He desires.

I understand your desire for 'fairness' in the world. Who wouldn't like to see everyone treated fairly by others. But when it comes to us and God, do we want fairness? Or do we want mercy and forgiveness? As a Christian, I don't want to be treated justly. I want mercy. Because I need it. So if another brother or sister is in need of the same mercy and forgiveness, who am I to say I wont identify with them anymore as Christian.

The only One Who has a right to say, I will no longer identify with the Christian people, for their sins is Jesus Christ. Yet He does not. (Heb. 2:11) "For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren"

Indeed, we are not capeable of loving God as we should. That grows. And He has a lot of patience and time. But our inability to love Him as we should does not affect His ability to love us as He does. And this to me is more important. Peter claimed a love for Jesus. (Matt. 26:33). John claimed Jesus loved him. (John 13:23, 19:26, 20:2, 21:7, 21:20) When the chips were down, who stayed with Christ? John. (John 19:26) The one who knew Jesus loved him.

Before you cast off the name 'Christian', I would sit down and read the New Testament and see if there is anything there condoning the lifestyle of pedophiles or the like.

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I am not against your anger toward pedophiles or any other terrible sins you see in the world that Christians have done or are capeable of doing. God does not condone that either. And none of it will go unpunished. The verse in (Heb. 10:31), "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God", is written to Christians. And this speaks to the here and now.

What I oppose is your unwillingness to call yourself Christian if indeed you are Christian, as I don't know you. A Christian is one who has come to Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour and is born-again. Does Jesus Christ condone pedophiles? Of course not. Many of these that your read about may not even be Christian. They could be just religious with a job. But let's say one is a Christian, who has walked in the flesh to the degree that he has committed this sin. Does Jesus Christ condone this just because he is a Christian? Of course not. Does Christ see it? Of course He does. And again, (Heb. 10:31) "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." Read also (Heb. 10:29) "Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?"

Your posts seem to indicate that Christians or non-Christians who do these things are getting away with it. They do not. Even if we do not see what we believe to be justice executed, I assure you it is. God can build a prison for a person without using bars and walls. And God can execute a person any time He desires.

I understand your desire for 'fairness' in the world. Who wouldn't like to see everyone treated fairly by others. But when it comes to us and God, do we want fairness? Or do we want mercy and forgiveness? As a Christian, I don't want to be treated justly. I want mercy. Because I need it. So if another brother or sister is in need of the same mercy and forgiveness, who am I to say I wont identify with them anymore as Christian.

The only One Who has a right to say, I will no longer identify with the Christian people, for their sins is Jesus Christ. Yet He does not. (Heb. 2:11) "For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren"

Indeed, we are not capeable of loving God as we should. That grows. And He has a lot of patience and time. But our inability to love Him as we should does not affect His ability to love us as He does. And this to me is more important. Peter claimed a love for Jesus. (Matt. 26:33). John claimed Jesus loved him. (John 13:23, 19:26, 20:2, 21:7, 21:20) When the chips were down, who stayed with Christ? John. (John 19:26) The one who knew Jesus loved him.

Before you cast off the name 'Christian', I would sit down and read the New Testament and see if there is anything there condoning the lifestyle of pedophiles or the like.

Quantrill
The name "Christian" came from Pagans. Before, they were just followers of The Way.
 

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The name "Christian" came from Pagans. Before, they were just followers of The Way.
So? It is a correct designation. It plays no role in what we are discussing. No matter who we are called, you claimed you did not want to identify yourself with us.

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So? It is a correct designation. It plays no role in what we are discussing. No matter who we are called, you claimed you did not want to identify yourself with us.

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I only said I didn't want to call myself that which the world (which we are supposed to reach out to) deems full of stereotypes that do not speak for me.
 

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I only said I didn't want to call myself that which the world (which we are supposed to reach out to) deems full of stereotypes that do not speak for me.
Yes, I know. That is the point. Your ashamed to identify with Christians because of what the world will say. As I said, the only Person Who has a right to that claim is Jesus Christ.

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Yes, I know. That is the point. Your ashamed to identify with Christians because of what the world will say. As I said, the only Person Who has a right to that claim is Jesus Christ.

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Don't tell me what my intentions are. I don't believe in labels. Just because I don't call myself a Christian doesn't mean I'm ashamed of Jesus. Like I said, the word didn't even come from Christians originally.
 

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Don't tell me what my intentions are. I don't believe in labels. Just because I don't call myself a Christian doesn't mean I'm ashamed of Jesus. Like I said, the word didn't even come from Christians originally.
I can tell you your intentions by what you have said. Your ashamed of Christians to the degree to not want to be called by that name. Who do you think Jesus identifies with? I think you deceive yourself. Like I said, it doesn't matter where the word came from. It describes the Church, the people who follow Jesus Christ.

It is the people you don't want to identify with, not the word.

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