Calvinism vs. Arminianism?
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All you people want is for us to tell you why or what we believe so you can chuckle and shake your head at our sad simplicity in pretending to be intelligent. I have no intention of telling you what you already know - instead I deliver you unto God for judgment. I can only pray that it will be immediate. In the meantime, it would be wonderful if He overrules me and delivers you from the clutches of Satan, but he has tricked you into believing you have no choice but in reality you are exercising your free will to reject God's Word through doublespeak.
Praise God it is because I am NOT intelligent that I can trust God's Word with my simple childlike faith when I came to Him back in 1976 (using my free will) to be saved.
Praise God it is because I am NOT intelligent that I can trust God's Word with my simple childlike faith when I came to Him back in 1976 (using my free will) to be saved.
It seems to me that you are not on this forum for the right reason that the forum was set up for. It was my thinking that it was set up to discuss scripture with scripture instead of making a statement of what you think is wrong with someones belief without backing your statement up with your scriptural proof why you think his belief is wrong, otherwise this would cease to be a bible discussion forum.
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You Calvinists stopped discussing a long time ago . . . and started to attack the messengers rather than the message. One can only tell you so many times the truth of God's universal call to sinners only to be rebuffed. It is you that have hardened your heart to grace - and have told God that you are not interested in anything He has to offer unless it agrees with you sovereign will.
God ain't play that, homey!
God ain't play that, homey!
It would be a lot simpler if you would learn to rightly divide the salvation (deliverance) scriptures and apply most of them as pertaining to a deliverance (salvation) we receive here on earth and not eternal. Without learning to do that you will never be able to harmonize the scriptures. You were already eternally saved (delivered) before you came to God back in 1976 and when you repented and came to him, he delivered (saved) you right then and there from the quilt and burden of the sins that you just repented of. The natural man, described in 1 Cor 2:14, who cannot discern spiritual things would have never came to God. Many of God's children do not understand the difference between being born again and being converted to the truth. Conversion comes after the new birth.
Matthew 20:28 even as the Son of Man did not come to be ministered to, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.'
( Not one less or ne more)
John 1:12 but as many as did receive him to them he gave authority to become sons of God -- to those believing in his name,
John 16:15All things, as many as the Father hath, are mine; because of this I said, That of mine He will take, and will tell to you;
Acts 2:39 for to you is the promise, and to your children, and to all those afar off, as many as the Lord our God shall call.'
Acts 13:48 And the nations hearing were glad, and were glorifying the word of the Lord, and did believe -- as many as were appointed to life age-during;
it would beg the question why?
John 6:65-66 and he said, `Because of this I have said to you -- No one is able to come unto me, if it may not have been given him from my Father.' From this [time] many of his disciples went away backward, and were no more walking with him,
I would ask how many disciples today refuse to walk by faith the unseen word?
( Not one less or ne more)
John 1:12 but as many as did receive him to them he gave authority to become sons of God -- to those believing in his name,
John 16:15All things, as many as the Father hath, are mine; because of this I said, That of mine He will take, and will tell to you;
Acts 2:39 for to you is the promise, and to your children, and to all those afar off, as many as the Lord our God shall call.'
Acts 13:48 And the nations hearing were glad, and were glorifying the word of the Lord, and did believe -- as many as were appointed to life age-during;
it would beg the question why?
John 6:65-66 and he said, `Because of this I have said to you -- No one is able to come unto me, if it may not have been given him from my Father.' From this [time] many of his disciples went away backward, and were no more walking with him,
I would ask how many disciples today refuse to walk by faith the unseen word?
As you have probably noticed?
Isaiah 5
18 Woe unto them that draw iniquity with cords of vanity, and sin as it were with a cart rope:
19 That say, Let him make speed, and hasten his work, that we may see it: and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know it!
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
2 Peter 3
2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they WILLINGLY are IGNORANT of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are UNLEARNED AND UNSTABLE wrest, as they DO ALSO the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But GROW IN GRACE, and in the KNOWLEDGE of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
I am sad that the enemy has hardened your heart, thus limiting your discernment to that which seems good in your own eyes! Perhaps? God has allowed this, so that which is preserved IN Christ? MAY remain in Christ!
I, myself? Don't know! Is above my pay grade! Sadder still, am I, that there is very much company like yourself!
Just know, I shall struggle AGAINST such principalities whenever, and where ever I find them! As per the ORDER of Melchizadek!
There is NONE that walk on 2 feet, and "suck air" MORE DANGEROUS? then, a deceived man/woman!
As you have probably noticed?
Isaiah 5
18 Woe unto them that draw iniquity with cords of vanity, and sin as it were with a cart rope:
19 That say, Let him make speed, and hasten his work, that we may see it: and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know it!
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
2 Peter 3
2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they WILLINGLY are IGNORANT of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are UNLEARNED AND UNSTABLE wrest, as they DO ALSO the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But GROW IN GRACE, and in the KNOWLEDGE of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
I am sad that the enemy has hardened your heart, thus limiting your discernment to that which seems good in your own eyes! Perhaps? God has allowed this, so that which is preserved IN Christ? MAY remain in Christ!
I, myself? Don't know! Is above my pay grade! Sadder still, am I, that there is very much company like yourself!
Just know, I shall struggle AGAINST such principalities whenever, and where ever I find them! As per the ORDER of Melchizadek!
There is NONE that walk on 2 feet, and "suck air" MORE DANGEROUS? then, a deceived man/woman!
Isaiah 5
18 Woe unto them that draw iniquity with cords of vanity, and sin as it were with a cart rope:
19 That say, Let him make speed, and hasten his work, that we may see it: and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know it!
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
2 Peter 3
2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they WILLINGLY are IGNORANT of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are UNLEARNED AND UNSTABLE wrest, as they DO ALSO the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But GROW IN GRACE, and in the KNOWLEDGE of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
I am sad that the enemy has hardened your heart, thus limiting your discernment to that which seems good in your own eyes! Perhaps? God has allowed this, so that which is preserved IN Christ? MAY remain in Christ!
I, myself? Don't know! Is above my pay grade! Sadder still, am I, that there is very much company like yourself!
Just know, I shall struggle AGAINST such principalities whenever, and where ever I find them! As per the ORDER of Melchizadek!
There is NONE that walk on 2 feet, and "suck air" MORE DANGEROUS? then, a deceived man/woman!
I realized "the error" I made after I posted my reply! It wasn't intended for you. But, due to my being "technologically challenged", to which I offer no apology for (I WON'T own a "smart phone" either! FWIW), it's the "splitting" of the replies that "tripped" me up.
It was to that BibleBaptistBeliever feller, I was actually replying to!