Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot

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trofimus

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What does that aronym of Calvin stand for now that we have the right language spelling? LOL

Total Depravity (also known as Total Inability and Original Sin)
Unconditional Election
Limited Atonement (also known as Particular Atonement)
Irresistible Grace
Perseverance of the Saints (also known as Once Saved Always Saved)
Else pay the wage of our own sin
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Calvin has nothing to do with the acronym. Its just a popular summarization of canons of Dort.
 
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trofimus said:
So, how is a "natural" man guilty? Can he change himself, can he do anything, can he will good or do good?
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We are all born with the stain of Adam's sin, with a sin nature. The leopard cannot change his spots.
We only change when God draws us to HIs grace and makes all things new, renew of the mind.
AND.....of course the natural man does good "things" but do decides what a good thing is......society? Which society? Farmer in Iowa or a headhunter in ....well, wherever headhunters live these days.
 
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dcontroversal said:
It does no good to read past your first few lies and misrepresentations of the truth......FOLKS...HIS above statement is a lie and false.....people who teach eternal security do NOT believe and or peddle the straw man lies he puts forth to support a losable salvation......
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John Wesley believed man could abstain from sin and was still disappointed on his death bed that he had never found such a man.
And neither will we.
 
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garee said:
What does that aronym of Calvin stand for now that we have the right language spelling? LOL

Total Depravity (also known as Total Inability and Original Sin)
Unconditional Election
Limited Atonement (also known as Particular Atonement)
Irresistible Grace
Perseverance of the Saints (also known as Once Saved Always Saved)
Else pay the wage of our own sin
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LOL, yes we should definitely add an E to the tulip.....TULIPE completes it.
 
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GraceAndTruth said:
We are all born with the stain of Adam's sin, with a sin nature. The leopard cannot change his spots.
We only change when God draws us to HIs grace and makes all things new, renew of the mind.
AND.....of course the natural man does good "things" but do decides what a good thing is......society? Which society? Farmer in Iowa or a headhunter in ....well, wherever headhunters live these days.
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1. Your example with leopard is not useful for you, because its not about being born to something unchangable, but being used to some habit.
"Can an Ethiopian change his skin or a leopard its spots? Neither can you do good who are accustomed to doing evil." Jer 13:23

2. How is somebody guilty, if he cannot will or do any good, with his own strength? Show me the logic.
 
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ok....here's another spoon to stir the pot:

supralapsarian - believes God made those POTS and has determined their use, some for glory, some for destruction
Infralapsarian - believe that God made the POTS but that some were elected to glory and some had to choose their own glory

I am in the SUPRA camp
 
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Another spoon.........free will.
One cannot have a free will unless one lives in a vacuum. We are surrounded by ideas all our lives.
And do not confuse "freewill OFFERING" with the free will of man. Let's try to not test the limits of stupid.
 
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trofimus said:
Calvin has nothing to do with the acronym. Its just a popular summarization of canons of Dort.
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Just a history note on this, it was BEZA who presented the doctrines of grace/TULIP to refute the errors of Jacob Arminius' "Remonstrances"
 
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GraceAndTruth said:
apparently "bashers" live to bash, can't seem to control that old sin nature.......or maybe its just THEIR true nature? hmmmm
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Do you believe in eternal security...YES you do....Do you peddle the crap he attributes to you and I because we believe in eternal security?

He has consistently lied about what we believe about sin in believers and uses said lies and deceit to make us look bad in order to peddle his losable salvation that must be maintained by self..........

A spade is a spade is a spade................!!
 
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GraceAndTruth said:
Another spoon.........free will.
One cannot have a free will unless one lives in a vacuum. We are surrounded by ideas all our lives.
And do not confuse "freewill OFFERING" with the free will of man. Let's try to not test the limits of stupid.
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What you are against is so called indifferent will, i.e. all choices are of the same value to you and you do not have any inclination.

Such will does not exist.
 
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Except limited atonement. Christ paid once for all. His atoning act of self sacrifice is sufficient enough for every sin ever committed by every person who has, does, or will ever live.
 
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GraceAndTruth said:
Another spoon.........free will.
One cannot have a free will unless one lives in a vacuum. We are surrounded by ideas all our lives.
And do not confuse "freewill OFFERING" with the free will of man. Let's try to not test the limits of stupid.
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A wise man once said, "Stupid is as stupid does". I believe that there is an element of spiritual truth to that.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Its amazing as to how many people slam something that they have no understanding o.

Then think everyone can not read through their ignorance and see how unlearned they are of others.
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What is even worse is when you have one who claims he believes in eternal security turn around and slam me because I make a stand against the deceitful lies peddled to make those who believe in eternal security look bad....................
 
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trofimus said:
Calvin has nothing to do with the acronym. Its just a popular summarization of canons of Dort.
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Yeah, a cute acronym does not mean that it is necessarily true. I never heard about TULIP until a few months ago on this site and have no idea who Calvin was and whether or not what he believed to be true was actually false, at least in part if not full.
 
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GraceAndTruth said:
ok....here's another spoon to stir the pot:

supralapsarian - believes God made those POTS and has determined their use, some for glory, some for destruction
Infralapsarian - believe that God made the POTS but that some were elected to glory and some had to choose their own glory

I am in the SUPRA camp
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The word 'supralsarian" sounds similar to what Mary Poppins said once. "A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down" as well. At least by my limited understanding and observation.
 
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tourist said:
Yeah, a cute acronym does not mean that it is necessarily true. I never heard about TULIP until a few months ago on this site and have no idea who Calvin was and whether or not what he believed to be true was actually false, at least in part if not full.
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Does not make it false either, you might consider each of the 5 points AND the5 solas and see where you really stand on these points.
Pass over those M&M's.....please.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Do you believe in eternal security...YES you do....Do you peddle the crap he attributes to you and I because we believe in eternal security?

He has consistently lied about what we believe about sin in believers and uses said lies and deceit to make us look bad in order to peddle his losable salvation that must be maintained by self..........

A spade is a spade is a spade................!!
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Yes, but there is a bigger consequence than to insult God's people,....it is the insult to GOD that they bear.
I'm just glad I don't live in a hateful skin like that. Always looking to bash with THE MOST PUT-DOWN EVER HEARD IN THE WORLD!! lol
 
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tourist said:
The word 'supralsarian" sounds similar to what Mary Poppins said once. "A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down" as well. At least by my limited understanding and observation.
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i'm so happy for you that you can understand your limits.
 
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dcontroversal said:
What is even worse is when you have one who claims he believes in eternal security turn around and slam me because I make a stand against the deceitful lies peddled to make those who believe in eternal security look bad....................
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Sadly, I think it is because we have to many people who follow men, or systems (like calvinism, armenianism, Catholicism, lutheranism, Protestantism) and look through these blinders, and not just listen to what people say and learn what they believe.
 
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