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Never gloat when your enemy meets disaster and don’t be quick to rejoice if he falls. Those enlightened with wisdom have spoken these proverbs: Judgment must be impartial, for it is always wrong to be swayed by a person’s status. If you say to the guilty, “You are innocent,” the nation will curse you and the people will revile you. But when you convict the guilty, the people will thank you and reward you with favor. Speaking honestly is a sign of true friendship. Go ahead, build your career and give yourself to your work. But if you put me first, you’ll see your family built up! Why would you be a false accuser and slander with your words? Don’t ever spitefully say, “I’ll get even with him! I’ll do to him what he did to me!” One day I passed by the field of a lazy man and I noticed the vineyards of a slacker. I observed nothing but thorns, weeds, and broken-down walls. So I considered their lack of wisdom, and I pondered the lessons I could learn from this: Professional work habits prevent poverty from becoming your permanent business partner. And: If you put off until tomorrow the work you could do today, tomorrow never seems to come.
Proverbs 24:17, 23-34
Proverbs 24:17, 23-34
ArguelessMember
Oct 26, 2018
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Thank you Truthtalk. Kindly show me where the JUNK can be found from that POST that I may stand corrected and edified. Thanks again and God bless
TruthTalkSenior Member
Oct 26, 2018
#75,172
I'm not interested in showing you anything and I do not find it unusual that you cannot see your own mistakes.
Remember this?
Thanks anyway and God bless.
Oct 26, 2018
#75,171
Thank you Truthtalk. Kindly show me where the JUNK can be found from that POST that I may stand corrected and edified. Thanks again and God bless
TruthTalkSenior Member
Oct 26, 2018
#75,172
I'm not interested in showing you anything and I do not find it unusual that you cannot see your own mistakes.
Remember this?
Thanks anyway and God bless.
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Galations 16:26
[16] I say then, walk in the spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. [17] For the flesh lusteth against the spirit: and the spirit against the flesh; for these are contrary one to another: so that you do not the things that you would. [18] But if you are led by the spirit, you are not under the law. [19] Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are fornication, uncleanness, immodesty, luxury, [20] Idolatry, witchcrafts, enmities, contentions, emulations, wraths, quarrels, dissensions, sects,
[21] Envies, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like. Of the which I foretell you, as I have foretold to you, that they who do such things shall not obtain the kingdom of God. [22] But the fruit of the Spirit is, charity, joy, peace, patience, benignity, goodness, longanimity, [23] Mildness, faith, modesty, continency, chastity. Against such there is no law. [24] And they that are Christ's, have crucified their flesh, with the vices and concupiscences. [25] If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
[26] Let us not be made desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying on another.
[16] I say then, walk in the spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. [17] For the flesh lusteth against the spirit: and the spirit against the flesh; for these are contrary one to another: so that you do not the things that you would. [18] But if you are led by the spirit, you are not under the law. [19] Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are fornication, uncleanness, immodesty, luxury, [20] Idolatry, witchcrafts, enmities, contentions, emulations, wraths, quarrels, dissensions, sects,
[21] Envies, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like. Of the which I foretell you, as I have foretold to you, that they who do such things shall not obtain the kingdom of God. [22] But the fruit of the Spirit is, charity, joy, peace, patience, benignity, goodness, longanimity, [23] Mildness, faith, modesty, continency, chastity. Against such there is no law. [24] And they that are Christ's, have crucified their flesh, with the vices and concupiscences. [25] If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
[26] Let us not be made desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying on another.
Hi Truthtalk, it's obvious that you have misrepresented my post by making it appear that I am the one who made the remarks you yourself have made. It's disappointing and very unChristian. I just hope that you would refrain from doing this for whatever motive you have done this.
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ArguelessMember Oct 26, 2018
I'm not interested in showing you anything and I do not find it unusual that you cannot see your own mistakes
Argueless said:
ArguelessMember Oct 26, 2018
I'm not interested in showing you anything and I do not find it unusual that you cannot see your own mistakes
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We all have BIBLE Software, or at least most of us do, so we all can do our own research. Posting nothing by Scripture with NO COMMENT on why you posted that particular Scripture, and the reason You personally believe that it must be interpreted a certain way; AND WITHOUT THAT IS POINTLESS. So give us a clue what goes on in your mind, and we will give you our opinion, whether we agree or disagree. You are permitted to give us on rare occasions, an off subject perspective, that the LORD has brought to your mind, or a special music video that has blessed you, but you need to remember to quickly get back to this thread's main topic, "Not By Works". THAT IS WHAT A DISCUSSION GROUP IS ALL ABOUT. Posting nothing but Scripture, time after time, is always perceived as just being plain RUDE, in a discussion group.
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Do you consider this rude and can you show me where in my post is the JUNK THEOLOGY that Truthtalk was referring to.
Thanks and God bless.
Below is the convo.
TruthTalk
Senior Member
Oct 26, 2018
#75,170
Argueless said:
You said;
"Nowhere in the bible does it say that obedience is required for salvation."
God said:
“You have said harsh things against me,” says the Lord. “Yet you ask, ‘What have we said against you?’ “You have said, ‘It is futile to serve God. What did we gain by CARRYING OUT HIS REQUIREMENTS and going about like mourners before the Lord Almighty? But now we call the arrogant blessed. Certainly the evildoers prosper, and even those who challenge God escape.’” Then those who feared the Lord talked with each other, and the Lord listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the Lord and honored his name. “They will be mine,” says the Lord Almighty, “in the day when I make up my treasured possession. I WILL SPARE THEM, just as in compassion a man spares his son who serves him. And you will again see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those who do not. Malachi 3:13-18
The Lord Jesus said;
“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.”Matthew 19:17
Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. John 14:21,23-24
The Apostle Paul said:
Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient.Ephesians 5:6
In Romans 6:16-22 Paul tells us that obedience leads to righteous that leads to holiness and the result is eternal life.
John said;
And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. 2 John 1:6
John the baptist said;
the ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.” Luke 3:9
Am I a Catholic? No.
I fellowship with the G12 born again congregation and I learned these things from the WORD of God.
This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us. 1 John 3:16,23-24
But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, Philippians 3:20
..."OUR SALVATION IS NEARER NOW THAN WHEN WE FIRST BELIEVED"
You need to study rules of interpretation. The "junk theology"that comes from you is not healthy
Thank you for your reply, God bless!
Thanks and God bless.
Below is the convo.
TruthTalk
Senior Member
Oct 26, 2018
#75,170
Argueless said:
You said;
"Nowhere in the bible does it say that obedience is required for salvation."
God said:
“You have said harsh things against me,” says the Lord. “Yet you ask, ‘What have we said against you?’ “You have said, ‘It is futile to serve God. What did we gain by CARRYING OUT HIS REQUIREMENTS and going about like mourners before the Lord Almighty? But now we call the arrogant blessed. Certainly the evildoers prosper, and even those who challenge God escape.’” Then those who feared the Lord talked with each other, and the Lord listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the Lord and honored his name. “They will be mine,” says the Lord Almighty, “in the day when I make up my treasured possession. I WILL SPARE THEM, just as in compassion a man spares his son who serves him. And you will again see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those who do not. Malachi 3:13-18
The Lord Jesus said;
“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.”Matthew 19:17
Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. John 14:21,23-24
The Apostle Paul said:
Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient.Ephesians 5:6
In Romans 6:16-22 Paul tells us that obedience leads to righteous that leads to holiness and the result is eternal life.
John said;
And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. 2 John 1:6
John the baptist said;
the ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.” Luke 3:9
Am I a Catholic? No.
I fellowship with the G12 born again congregation and I learned these things from the WORD of God.
This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us. 1 John 3:16,23-24
But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, Philippians 3:20
..."OUR SALVATION IS NEARER NOW THAN WHEN WE FIRST BELIEVED"
You need to study rules of interpretation. The "junk theology"that comes from you is not healthy
Thank you for your reply, God bless!
I you believe that you must do something to earn the FREE GIFT OF SALVATION by GRACE alone. YEAH, that would be junk theology. I would not Know what you believe, BECAUSE I HAVE NOT BEEN FOLLOWING YOUR POSTS.
Better read 1 John 3:14-19, which makes it clear that OBEDIENCE IS PART OF LOVE, and NEVER part of SALVATION,
Better read 1 John 3:14-19, which makes it clear that OBEDIENCE IS PART OF LOVE, and NEVER part of SALVATION,
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God created man according to their own image of righteousness and holiness before Eve's deception that led to man's separation from God.
If Adam and Eve who were created HOLY and righteous have been DECEIVED by the deceiver, what exempts you from being DECEIVED and suffer from the wrath of God?
#75,880
Thr truth is that the deceiver has been deceiving from the beginning until now.
How would we know who were the ones that were deceived?
We know that Eve was deceived when she believed the deceiver and disobeyed God's command.
Who are the deceivers and who were deceived?
...At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
Matthew 24:10-14, 24
...For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
...And those that were deceived believed in the deceivers mentioned above and disobeyed God's commands because they were made to believe that they would not surely die, IOW, "always saved". But scriptures warn us not to be deceived;
Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them.
Ephesians 5:6-7
...Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ ” “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”...genesis 3:1-19
Does a person who teaches obedience to God causes another person to sin by doing so?
Would any person who don't have FAITH in God teach obedience to God? Or would the deceiver be TEACHING obedience to God as a deception? Would he not rather teach DISOBEDIENCE in His attempt to deceive the believers?
Is it not those who condemn those who teach obedience to God who DOES NOT HAVE FAITH in God and CAUSES A PERSON TO SIN?
Is it not that sin is the transgression of the law?(1 john 3:4)
Is it obedience to God to break the law?
Who then causes another person to sin?
...At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”
2 He called a little child and had him stand among them. 3 And he said: “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
5 “And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. 6 But IF ANYONE CAUSES ONE OF THESE LITTLE ONES WHO “BELIEVE” IN ME TO SIN, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
7 “Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but WOE TO THE MAN THROUGH WHOM THEY COME FROM! 8 If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be THROWN INTO ETERNAL FIRE. 9 And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be THROWN INTO THE FIRE OF HELL. matthew 18:1-9
...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things GOD'S WRATH COMES ON THOSE WHO ARE DISOBEDIENT. ephesians 5:6
If Adam and Eve who were created HOLY and righteous have been DECEIVED by the deceiver, what exempts you from being DECEIVED and suffer from the wrath of God?
#75,880
Thr truth is that the deceiver has been deceiving from the beginning until now.
How would we know who were the ones that were deceived?
We know that Eve was deceived when she believed the deceiver and disobeyed God's command.
Who are the deceivers and who were deceived?
...At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
Matthew 24:10-14, 24
...For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
...And those that were deceived believed in the deceivers mentioned above and disobeyed God's commands because they were made to believe that they would not surely die, IOW, "always saved". But scriptures warn us not to be deceived;
Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them.
Ephesians 5:6-7
...Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ ” “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”...genesis 3:1-19
Does a person who teaches obedience to God causes another person to sin by doing so?
Would any person who don't have FAITH in God teach obedience to God? Or would the deceiver be TEACHING obedience to God as a deception? Would he not rather teach DISOBEDIENCE in His attempt to deceive the believers?
Is it not those who condemn those who teach obedience to God who DOES NOT HAVE FAITH in God and CAUSES A PERSON TO SIN?
Is it not that sin is the transgression of the law?(1 john 3:4)
Is it obedience to God to break the law?
Who then causes another person to sin?
...At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”
2 He called a little child and had him stand among them. 3 And he said: “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
5 “And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. 6 But IF ANYONE CAUSES ONE OF THESE LITTLE ONES WHO “BELIEVE” IN ME TO SIN, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
7 “Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but WOE TO THE MAN THROUGH WHOM THEY COME FROM! 8 If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be THROWN INTO ETERNAL FIRE. 9 And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be THROWN INTO THE FIRE OF HELL. matthew 18:1-9
...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things GOD'S WRATH COMES ON THOSE WHO ARE DISOBEDIENT. ephesians 5:6
Malachi, and the 7 assertions made by God against both the priests and people, has absolutely nothing to do with the salvation afforded men by faith as found under the New Covenant.....it is the first full book that I taught through in 1995 and represents the final straw before God goes silent under the law and to the Jewish people some 430 years or so before John the Immerser comes on the scene laying the ground work and preparing the material (saved immersed believers) for the coming of Jesus and the commencement of the New Covenant.....
It pleased GOD by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE <---this word is NOT OBEY...it is BELIEVE
It pleased GOD by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE <---this word is NOT OBEY...it is BELIEVE
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For those who push salvation based on the merits of their obedience, I wonder just how much obedience they believe it takes to be saved? How much obedience do they believe they must accomplish and "add" as a supplement to Christ's finished work of redemption in order to "help" Jesus save them? 
Christ's finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. No supplements needed. (Romans 3:24-28)
Christ's finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. No supplements needed. (Romans 3:24-28)
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For those who push salvation based on the merits of their obedience, I wonder just how much obedience they believe it takes to be saved? How much obedience do they believe they must accomplish and "add" as a supplement to Christ's finished work of redemption in order to "help" Jesus save them?
Christ's finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. No supplements needed. (Romans 3:24-28)
Christ's finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. No supplements needed. (Romans 3:24-28)
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