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trofimus

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There are quotes from both the LXX and Masoretic. For example in your example, Paul does not quote LXX or consider it when he paraphrases Deut. 30:11-14 in verse 10:6-8.
In the verse 10:6-8 is not any LXX sign.

LXX means it can be found only in the LXX.
 

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My friend, I never said the bibles I read are any better or from a different source. However, I am not the one who is rejecting the ability to take doctrine from Acts.

14-17 But don’t let it faze you. Stick with what you learned and believed, sure of the integrity of your teachers—why, you took in the sacred Scriptures with your mother’s milk! There’s nothing like the written Word of God for showing you the way to salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. Every part of Scripture is God-breathed and useful one way or another—showing us truth, exposing our rebellion, correcting our mistakes, training us to live God’s way. Through the Word we are put together and shaped up for the tasks God has for us.(2 Timothy 3)

All scripture(The Message says 'Every part of scripture') is God-breathed and is for showing us truth. That even includes the book of Acts of the Apostles my friend.

I am leaving this here and I will not bother you anymore, as you seem to be allergic to being taught. :(:cry:
The greatest thing we can know is that we know nothing even when we know something. When we are open to that, then we can be taught.

Prayer is the answer.
 

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"But for the sake of greater accuracy I add, being constrained to write, that there are also other books besides these, which have not indeed been put in the canon, but have been appointed by the Fathers as reading-matter for those who have just come forward and which to be instructed in the doctrine of piety: the Wisdom of Solomon, the Wisdom of Sirach, Esther, Judith, Tobias, the so-called Teaching of the Apostles (Didaché) and the Shepherd.
Athanasius, 367 AD


"The Canonical Scriptures are these:
Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua the son of Nun, Judges, Ruth, four books of Kings, two books of Paraleipomena, Job, the Psalter, five books of Solomon, the books of the twelve prophets, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezechiel, Daniel, Tobit, Judith, Esther, two books of Esdras, two Books of the Maccabees.

Canon of Carthage, 397

Can you explain?
Yes. Athanasius said there are other books not part of the canon. As they shouldn't be.

Canon of Carthage is not the canon of the Jews Old Testament. The Jews Old Testament rejects the apocryphal books. Carthage would be influenced by the Alexandrian Jews, who also blended philosophy in with their interpretations of Scripture. The Jews Old Testament comes from the Jews in Palestine. They reject the apocrypha.

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trofimus

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Yes. Athanasius said there are other books not part of the canon. As they shouldn't be.
So you agree that Esther does not belong to canon?

Canon of Carthage is not the canon of the Jews Old Testament. The Jews Old Testament rejects the apocryphal books. Carthage would be influenced by the Alexandrian Jews, who also blended philosophy in with their interpretations of Scripture. The Jews Old Testament comes from the Jews in Palestine. They reject the apocrypha.
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We are not Jews, we are Christians.
 

trofimus

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No I'm not. What did your picture prove?

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It proves that the apostles did not use the masoretic text. What else should it prove? :rolleyes:

But I like how you say you are not wrong even before you understand what is going on.
 

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So you agree that Esther does not belong to canon?



We are not Jews, we are Christians.
No. Esther is part of the canon. But there are other books for reading purpose which are not.

So what? Jesus was a Jew. We use the Old Testament of the Jews.

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trofimus

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No. Esther is part of the canon. But there are other books for reading purpose which are not.

So what? Jesus was a Jew. We use the Old Testament of the Jews.

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So, you first accepted the canon of Athanasius but later you say that Esther is canonical.

Yes, Jesus was Jew. It does not mean that the faith of Jews is the right one and that we should be led by them as by our authority regarding doctrines.
 

trofimus

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It proves nothing. Explain why it proves it.

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Sorry, I do not have time to teach you basics. Study in your own time. If you do not undertand the photo, you cannot answer my questions in some kind of a quality I need.

I need Christians who studied it, who know about it for years and are able to give me proper answers, if they do not agree with me.
 

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In the verse 10:6-8 is not any LXX sign.

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That is right because Paul dismissed it. He had the Masoretic in mind when he paraphrased Deut 30:11-14.
Like I said There are quotes from both the LXX and Masoretic in the New Testament. Are you denying that?

In your example, Paul does not quote LXX or consider it when he paraphrases Deut. 30:11-14 in verse 10:6-8.

Now why would I purport that he does not even consider it in His paraphrase? Something is missing from the LXX in verse 14 that is why.
LXX means it can be found only in the LXX
I know. Thanks for bringing it up anyway some might not
 

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It proves that the apostles did not use the masoretic text. What else should it prove? :rolleyes:

But I like how you say you are not wrong even before you understand what is going on.
I understand the argument up to this point. And disagree with all you have said prior. So, it is safe for me to know you are equally wrong now in whatever you're trying to prove with your picture.

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Sorry, I do not have time to teach you basics. Study in your own time. If you do not undertand the photo, you cannot answer my questions in some kind of a quality I need.

I need Christians who studied it, know about it for years and are able to give me proper answers, if they do not agree with me.
No, that is not true. Your hiding behind you picture of pages of a language I do not know. Thus you feel you don't have to answer. You just say, you don't have time.

The truth is you can't prove what you're trying to say. Now you are hiding.

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trofimus

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In your example, Paul does not quote LXX or consider it when he paraphrases Deut. 30:11-14 in verse 10:6-8.
The "LXX" sign says that it can be found ONLY in the LXX.

If there is no LXX sign, it can mean:
a) MT and LXX do not differ
b) its in the MT only
c) its neither in the MT nor in the LXX

Yes, not all quotations are from the LXX, only about 80% are.

If we would like to have the exact textual version apostles used, we would have to compile it, it does not exist as a whole. The LXX is the most close version we can have.
 

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The "LXX" sign says that it can be found ONLY in the LXX.

If there is no LXX sign, it can mean:
a) MT and LXX do not differ
b) its in the MT only
c) its neither in the MT nor in the LXX

Yes, not all quotations are from the LXX, only about 80% are.

If we would like to have the exact textual version apostles used, we would have to compile it, it does not exist as a whole. The LXX is the most close version we can have.
The apostle's used the Jews Old Testament. They didn't use any so called 'Septuagint'. There was no Septuagint as I have explained to you already. Your so called Septuagint is just the Alexandrian text.

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trofimus

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The apostle's used the Jews Old Testament. They didn't use any so called 'Septuagint'. There was no Septuagint as I have explained to you already. Your so called Septuagint is just the Alexandrian text.

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Repeating what is not true will not make it true.
 

trofimus

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Whats true must always be repeated because you never learn.

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Sure, I have to explain everything to you, because its me who never learn.

Ok, whatever, I think any other convo with you regarding this is not useful.

Have a nice weekend.
 

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Sure, I have to explain everything to you, because its me who never learn.

Ok, whatever, I think any other convo with you regarding this is not useful.
Oh, you hurt my feelngs. NOT.

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