Should we stand with Israel?

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Locutus

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There is never gonna be a third "jewish" temple on the dirt in Palestine - they'd need to kill a couple o' billion Muslim first.

Dream on.

Ain't gonna happen - but hey, you Yanks keep sending yer hard earned dough over there.

Suckers are born every 1/1000 of a millennium.
 
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Are you a Messianic Jew or from the Hebrew Roots side of the fence.?
Do you think that Jerry Seinfeld ( One of my favorite comedians) and Adam Sandler have this conversation when they speak ? lol.. Or would they even know...
 

iamsoandso

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Are you a Messianic Jew or from the Hebrew Roots side of the fence.?

lol, neither I was not aware of it until my children and grandchildren got into the genealogy stuff then we found and contacted other family members but they don't care for us because we are Christian. Anyway, I just find it courious as to who they think will rise in the state of Israel and in the next physical temple if not the man of sin,,,that is if he is destroyed at the Lords coming then he comes before Jesus right,lol ?
 

iamsoandso

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There is never gonna be a third "jewish" temple on the dirt in Palestine - they'd need to kill a couple o' billion Muslim first.

Dream on.

Ain't gonna happen - but hey, you Yanks keep sending yer hard earned dough over there.

Suckers are born every 1/1000 of a millennium.

lol, You don't believe that a new Jerusalem descends down from heaven?
 

Locutus

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lol, You don't believe that a new Jerusalem descends down from heaven?
Of course I do - it's been descending since before John wrote and people have been drinking of the living waters ever since.

Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Where are you getting the water of life?

In a bottle from Walmart?

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prove-all

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James 1:1 James, a bond-servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,
To the twelve tribes who are dispersed abroad: Greetings.
So you think James 1 is only for The lost tribes of Israel scattered abroad ?

12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall
receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
Do you get a crown of life also ?

James 1:18 In the exercise of His will He brought us forth by the word of truth,
so that we would be a kind of first fruits among His creatures.
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Bible says they that are Christ's, at His coming, not before.
At the time of Christ , The northen tribes of Israel was deforced.[/QUOTE]
 

Locutus

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I told you before I don't do theological "arguments" with Armstrongites.
 

iamsoandso

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Of course I do - it's been descending since before John wrote and people have been drinking of the living waters ever since.

Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Where are you getting the water of life?

In a bottle from Walmart?

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So you actually think there is a third temple but it's here now and if they build another it would be a fourth temple and have no man of sin because you believe he rose and was destroyed in ad70. I wonder who he was and what his mark was.
 

prove-all

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There is never gonna be a third "jewish" temple on the dirt in Palestine
The bible says there will be a third temple, but not made by mans hands.
The Eternal has chosen Jerusalem. (1Kings 11:13) And the Lord shall inherit
Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again.Zech 2:12

The whole world will revolve around Jerusalem in the Millennium. And
the whole universe will revolve around Jerusalem after the Millennium.

The future temple of which Ezekiel prophesied will have water flowing
out of the altar (Ezekiel 47:1-5). The Fountain of Eternal Life

Ezekiel describes the water flowing eastward from the temple and rising
continually until it becomes a river too large to pass over.This water is a
symbol of something far more powerful that will impact the entire Earth!

God’s Holy Spirit will bring life spiritually (verse 9). Everything will live
as God intended from the beginning. That will impact the entire Earth!

God’s truth will fill the entire world like the ocean beds
are filled with water (Isaiah 11:9; Habakkuk 2:14).

“And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow
all trees for meat … because theirwaters they issued out of the sanctuary: and
the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine” Ezekiel47:12

God’s Holy Spirit will spiritually heal people of human nature and wrongful thinking.
People will also be healed of physical problems, a dual healing, spiritual and physical.

And notice: The water will flow right out of the holy of holies in that millennial temple!
The whole world is going to be healed! “The waters must spring up within the temples
to symbolize the fountain of life that is associated with God’s dwelling in heaven.”

Those waters are a symbol of the fountain of eternal life.

“Ezekiel saw water (spring waters) ushering forth from the holy place that went out
the right side of the altar of burnt offerings and unto the Dead Sea to make those
acrid waters clean and fresh.”
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The dead sea is still dead, but soon one day fisherman will once again line the banks.
 

Locutus

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So you actually think there is a third temple but it's here now and if they build another it would be a fourth temple and have no man of sin because you believe he rose and was destroyed in ad70. I wonder who he was and what his mark was.
Yes, us Christian are the temple (so if you wish to think of it as a third temple dats ok) .

They can try and build another (4th if you wish) but in my eschatology it has no significance BroSo.

As I've tried to point out the "man of sin" was alive and being restrained when Paul wrote to the Thesskies, so how does the man of sin live for 1900 years and counting?

2 Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

2 Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

Paul states "he" was being "withholdeth" - so explain to me how he is still awaiting to be "revealed"?
 

iamsoandso

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And although the difference is The river is flowing or the river will flow none will know until the second coming of the Lord overtakes them. While their convinced he has come the man of sin will overtake them,and the Lord will ask why they thought he was him. And another will join his army and believe it to be the Israel of God and help find those who refuse to bow. The Jew will believe their Messiah has finally come and the Islamic will see Isa and the Mahdi.
 

iamsoandso

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Yes, us Christian are the temple (so if you wish to think of it as a third temple dats ok) .

They can try and build another (4th if you wish) but in my eschatology it has no significance BroSo.

As I've tried to point out the "man of sin" was alive and being restrained when Paul wrote to the Thesskies, so how does the man of sin live for 1900 years and counting?

2 Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

2 Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

Paul states "he" was being "withholdeth" - so explain to me how he is still awaiting to be "revealed"?

lol, Unless we know who he was how can we explain how he was revealed? Who was he?
 

iamsoandso

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lol, Unless we know who he was how can we explain how he was revealed? Who was he?

ok I'll play fair and share,,,he don't,he receives a deadly wound and,,, it's healed. They say "let us make and image of the beast..."
 

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I told you before I don't do theological "arguments" with Armstrongites.
Seems to me you keep resorting to name calling,
when you do not like the bible verses given.
 

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the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day [the day Christ returns] shall not come,
except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Before Christ comes, there will come a falling away first.

What was the falling away if back then ? The church?
Who was the man of sin if reveled back then ?
 

iamsoandso

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lol, the one that received the deadly wound...