Hardshell & Primitive Baptist "Conditional Time Salvation" Warning
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2 Timothy 2:15 The 'saved" in this verse noes not have reference to eternal salvation, but to a deliverance here on earth. Acts 8:22 - The natural man cannot repent of something of a spiritual nature that he does not understand to be wrong in his sight. With the American Indian, believing in a higher power is believing spiritually, which the natural man cannot do. You claim he can, but scripture does not uphold that idea. I have explained Romans 1 already and that was supposed to be your proof.
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.(2 Cor. 5)
Look at the above passage. Those who are being reconciled to God are not having their sins imputed/accounted/credit unto them. Why would Paul make such an outlandish claim my friend? They were imputed/accounted/credited Jesus, who paid for them. They are all gone now, past, present and future sins are covered/blotted out by His blood. That is why there is no twofold salvation my friend. There is but one eternal salvation. All who are saved now stand before the Father clothed in the Son’s righteousness. God sees us in the exact same He sees His Son, as we are in Him now.
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.(2 Cor. 5:17)
We are a new creation in Christ. The old things are gone, the sins blotted out.
In those days, and in that time, saith the Lord, the iniquity of Israel shall be sought for, and there shall be none; and the sins of Judah, and they shall not be found: for I will pardon them whom I reserve.(Jeremiah 50:20)
Now, where do you suppose these sins and iniquities went? Sin can not go unpunished, it must be paid for my friend. They were laid upon Jesus who paid for them upon the cross. This is good news, the gospel, my friend, of which you deny to be found in the OT scriptures.
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.(2 Cor. 5)
Look at the above passage. Those who are being reconciled to God are not having their sins imputed/accounted/credit unto them. Why would Paul make such an outlandish claim my friend? They were imputed/accounted/credited Jesus, who paid for them. They are all gone now, past, present and future sins are covered/blotted out by His blood. That is why there is no twofold salvation my friend. There is but one eternal salvation. All who are saved now stand before the Father clothed in the Son’s righteousness. God sees us in the exact same He sees His Son, as we are in Him now.
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.(2 Cor. 5:17)
We are a new creation in Christ. The old things are gone, the sins blotted out.
In those days, and in that time, saith the Lord, the iniquity of Israel shall be sought for, and there shall be none; and the sins of Judah, and they shall not be found: for I will pardon them whom I reserve.(Jeremiah 50:20)
Now, where do you suppose these sins and iniquities went? Sin can not go unpunished, it must be paid for my friend. They were laid upon Jesus who paid for them upon the cross. This is good news, the gospel, my friend, of which you deny to be found in the OT scriptures.
Well, the Egyptians in the days of Moses had many gods, so they’re saved.
Belshazzar was having a feast unto the gods of gold, silver, brass, iron, wood and stone. They’re saved, too.
In 1 Samuel 6, after the Philistines took possession of the Ark of the Covenant, they were stricken with tumors. Their dividers knew it was the God of Israel who had afflicted them. I guess they’re saved, too?
Belshazzar was having a feast unto the gods of gold, silver, brass, iron, wood and stone. They’re saved, too.
In 1 Samuel 6, after the Philistines took possession of the Ark of the Covenant, they were stricken with tumors. Their dividers knew it was the God of Israel who had afflicted them. I guess they’re saved, too?
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Just because someone believes in an afterlife, whether it be a nirvana or an happy hunting ground, is not proof they’re regenerate my friend. Man innately worships something. As Bob Dylan sang, “You gotta serve somebody.” God wired man to worship, and without the gospel, He is the last One they’ll worship.
Well, the Egyptians in the days of Moses had many gods, so they’re saved.
Belshazzar was having a feast unto the gods of gold, silver, brass, iron, wood and stone. They’re saved, too.
In 1 Samuel 6, after the Philistines took possession of the Ark of the Covenant, they were stricken with tumors. Their dividers knew it was the God of Israel who had afflicted them. I guess they’re saved, too?
Belshazzar was having a feast unto the gods of gold, silver, brass, iron, wood and stone. They’re saved, too.
In 1 Samuel 6, after the Philistines took possession of the Ark of the Covenant, they were stricken with tumors. Their dividers knew it was the God of Israel who had afflicted them. I guess they’re saved, too?
Let's chew on that for a minute. If the Native Americans didn't accept the PB's CTS, then they'd go from regenerate to lost. Just going by what I'm seeing in FGC's practice on here.
So, salvation is works to them after all, or better regeneration is. So it's not just believing in the happy hunting ground, it's more. It's been asserted by FGC that I'm lost because I don't buy his CTS yet I believe the Scriptures and in heaven too. Quite a selective and inconsistent "gospel" they have.
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He alluded that to me as well, only the remnant can see CTS, and if you can not see it, you are lost.
The Muslims believe in a heaven where they get 70 virgins(I have also read 72)all to themselves when they blow themselves up in the name of Allah. I guess they are regenerate, too.
The Muslims believe in a heaven where they get 70 virgins(I have also read 72)all to themselves when they blow themselves up in the name of Allah. I guess they are regenerate, too.
Their beliefs are cultic and the only reason he is here is for CTS "converts." Been down this road before with them...
All of the elect's sins are forgiven, in covenant relationship with God, by Jesus on the cross, as your reference of Jeremiah. He paid for our sins, those of us after we were born a natural birth, after the cross, in advance, before we ever committed them and looks upon us, in the eternal sense, as pure an holy and without blame. I assume that you will admit that, even though you are saved eternally, that you do still sin at times and ask forgiveness of them. Is that not right? Christ's offering on the cross was an offering to God, for God's acceptance, and not an offering to man, for man's acceptance. Are you still holding on to the fact that the Saints of old were saved by obeying the gospel?
