Revelation 17:8
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Satan/Antichrist. At that time when John wrote the Revelation or when the apostles preached the gospel, satan was held so that gospel could be preached.
Is this what your are referring to bro?
Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
Rev 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
Rev 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
Thank you for your reply Noose,,,
So that would mean satin was at that time bound in the pit? If so and he ascends out of the pit after the mill. then the 7th head and the ten horns recieve their kingdoms during the mill.?
No I was just wondering who or what others thought was spoken of in Rev.17:8 because it's rare to see any account for it, but thank you for replying.
Cool bro - you had me at rose or rise rather than ascend, that's the problem with me, after years of use the KJV is burned into me brain.
Until all is revealed of the last moments of what is now called time it is a dangerous endeavor to "interpret" Revelation and Daniel.
When it is time, all will know and understand the meaning of the words, until then, I follow the exampleof Mary, keeping it to myself, even what I believe untill it is truly revealed.
When it is time, all will know and understand the meaning of the words, until then, I follow the exampleof Mary, keeping it to myself, even what I believe untill it is truly revealed.
Not really sure but i think it is a different kind of restraint, the one Paul talks of in 2 Thess 2:7. We can actually see it in Acts that the apostles were persecuted but no one could stop them from spreading the gospel; they were taken to jail and escaped miraculously but when they finished witnessing, they were all executed.
I believe it is clear that it speaks to a person and not just the anti-christian government. (Rev. 17:11) And of this one it is said, 1.) he was. 2.) he is not. 3.) he comes from a place called perdition. 4.) shall ascend later out of perdition. 5.) shall return to perdition. (Rev. 17:8)
So he has existed before. He doesn't exist now as he is in perdition. But he will return to be empowered and indwelt by satan to do the work of satan.
I believe it could possibly be Judas Iscariot. This is not a new view, but most don't hold to it today. Yet I think there is sufficient Scripture to support it. Have you ever heard of this view?
Quantrill
No one should add to nor take away from the words of the prophesy…...anywhere in the Book, not just Revelation.
The Angels who came down to earth in Genisis 3 and had relationships with woman.. They left their first estate ( heaven) and sinned and for that they where bound up in the bottomless pit waiting for the day of the LORD when they will be released for a short time and play a part in the wrath being poured out upon the earth..
Jude 1: KJV
"{6} And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. {7} Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
Genesis 6: KJV
1 "And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, {2} That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. {3} And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. {4} There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."
Sons of God are Angels
Job 1: KJV
6 "¶ Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. {7} And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. {8} And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?"
I thought you were following the example of Mary and keeping to yourself. A wise decision on your part I would say. If you don't want to know anything about (Revelation) then keep silent. Others may.
Quantrill
The Beast is not a leader but a leadership dedicated to Lucifer. The woman who rides is the Church of Rome. The Catholic Church has operated under the guise of Christianity but have killed true believers. That is why she is drunk on the blood of the saints. The Church of Rome has been behind the throne controlling kings since the beginning. The Beast is a Luciferian Leadership that overthrows the Catholic Church. My guess, possibly the Jesuits. They have Luciferian roots and are now in power. The Pope isn’t Catholic. The ten horns are ten kings not in power. My guess is nations who adopt the Luciferian way. Read the whole chapter. The seven heads are seven hills:
Seven hills of Rome
- Aventine Hill (Latin, Aventinus; Italian, Aventino)
- Caelian Hill (Cælius, Celio)
- Capitoline Hill (Capitolinus, Campidoglio)
- Esquiline Hill (Esquilinus, Esquilino)
- Palatine Hill (Palatinus, Palatino)
- Quirinal Hill (Quirinalis, Quirinale)
- Viminal Hill (Viminalis, Viminale)
Mary kept what she did not quite understand to herself when confronted with something Jesus did that was beyond her.
NOw, my judge and jury, I have quoted the word in my post. Continue to give yur opinions on Revelation keeping in mind when I say with God as my witness you make certain yu let people know you are simply guessing at the meanings and you do not truly know.
Hello to Jesse and Frank.
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eternally-gratefull
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The beast would be the revised or reborn roman empire (who had died, and gone into perdition) spoken of By Daniel Who will be in power when christ returns.
You certainly show NO aptitude for interpreting last day prophetic truth, you certainly have done no praying or studying on it!
Your interpretation is coloured by sectarianism!
For those interested you can find a bit of a study Here on the identity of The Woman in Rev 17. (Rev 17v18)
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eternally-gratefull
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Wow. No pride here.
You take the city of God and all it babylon (Babylon is the religion that perverted the jews, Not the city or jews themselves) based on a few assumptions. And you yell at someone else as unlearned.
I think you need to pull back a bit man.. and stop attacking people who disagree with you.
Try reading the first post in the thread I linked to in my previous post!